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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch 22:21 - Sep 14 with 1853 viewsMullet

But Gamechanger kept Evans’ man in the dugout. I wonder if they thought it’d alienate the fans and look too corporate, or they just didn’t think it’d go this wrong? A shame that Cook is just a bad fit here there’s no reason to think it should have been, until you get six more weeks of that coaching team.

It’s tragic and unfortunate but it seems clear they should have had a clean sweep in every sense doesn’t it?

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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:24 - Sep 14 with 1789 viewsElderGrizzly

I assume they were advised another change of manager, from a man who did appear to have a connection with fans was a bad idea.

He’s not their man though and that will do for him in the end.

Maybe as soon as Saturday if we get hammered again.
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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:25 - Sep 14 with 1772 viewspointofblue

Cook did a superb job of ensuring most people thought the issue last year was the players. I cannot blame Gamechanger for thinking that was the case considering his recent track record against the squa'ds performance over nearly two seasons under Lambert.

They backed him heavily in the transfer market to reinvigorate the squad but, sadly, instead of Cook being proven right it instead looks like that he's been the problem all along.

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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:26 - Sep 14 with 1740 viewsMoriarty

They bought into his narrative that it was all the players fault. So we lost Dozzell, Gibbs, Downes, all to clubs higher up in the pyramid.

He has signed some decent players but it’s gone irredeemably t!ts up.

They pull the trigger or we sink. We will go down if they stick with him.

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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:26 - Sep 14 with 1733 viewsGuthrum

I think it was probably because he'd been signed so recently and came with such a good pedigree. Too good to ditch out-of-hand and perhaps might have looked a little too ruthless to attract quality to replace him with.

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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:27 - Sep 14 with 1719 viewsElderGrizzly

It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:25 - Sep 14 by pointofblue

Cook did a superb job of ensuring most people thought the issue last year was the players. I cannot blame Gamechanger for thinking that was the case considering his recent track record against the squa'ds performance over nearly two seasons under Lambert.

They backed him heavily in the transfer market to reinvigorate the squad but, sadly, instead of Cook being proven right it instead looks like that he's been the problem all along.


It’s whether they believe now that Morsy is the saviour. As that is the line Cook is trying to get to stick
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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:28 - Sep 14 with 1693 viewspointofblue

It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:27 - Sep 14 by ElderGrizzly

It’s whether they believe now that Morsy is the saviour. As that is the line Cook is trying to get to stick
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He'll find it harder to stick after tonight - a team containing Morsy conceding two at home to an Under 21 side.

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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:29 - Sep 14 with 1668 viewspositivity

from all they've said, he was their choice too (and pretty high on most people's list here as well...)

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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:31 - Sep 14 with 1622 viewsElderGrizzly

It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:29 - Sep 14 by positivity

from all they've said, he was their choice too (and pretty high on most people's list here as well...)


As Mullet says and others closer to the club appear to say, they didn’t have much choice at the time.

Sacking a manager a month after appointing, especially when he was saying it was all Lambert’s players fault appears to have saved Cook back then.

4 wins in 28 or whatever it is now and those 4 wins with players he threw under the bus, points to it being Cook as a common factor
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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:31 - Sep 14 with 1620 viewsMullet

It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:29 - Sep 14 by positivity

from all they've said, he was their choice too (and pretty high on most people's list here as well...)


They’re not gonna say he’s not and then back him though. Especially when he should have been easily good enough with what he’s had

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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:40 - Sep 14 with 1490 viewspositivity

It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:31 - Sep 14 by Mullet

They’re not gonna say he’s not and then back him though. Especially when he should have been easily good enough with what he’s had


as the takeover was a fair way on, they'll have had a say in who was appointed, if they didn't want cook, i doubt he'd have got the job, lambert or gill would have continued as lame ducks until the takeover.

as for last season, it's clear the players had downed tools for lambert, hardly likely to bust a gut knowing that the influx of money would mean them being jettisoned anyway. think last year was an impossible job. this year needs massive improvement.

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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:42 - Sep 14 with 1434 viewsMullet

It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:40 - Sep 14 by positivity

as the takeover was a fair way on, they'll have had a say in who was appointed, if they didn't want cook, i doubt he'd have got the job, lambert or gill would have continued as lame ducks until the takeover.

as for last season, it's clear the players had downed tools for lambert, hardly likely to bust a gut knowing that the influx of money would mean them being jettisoned anyway. think last year was an impossible job. this year needs massive improvement.


Phil clarifies it here on page 2.

There are some rather spectacular posts in there as well it seems

Everything is awesome by Mullet 15 Aug 21:52
Having seen both league games thus far, it's pretty clear that Cook's decision to be "Demolition Man" might well render his time here a cult classic, rather than the blockbuster we are budgeting for.

It wasn't necessary to rip apart the whole team, it was a decision and direction decided upon, and the first few steps have seen us in the gutter haven't they? Overloaded with attacking depth but unable to find a front 4 that doesn't limit Piggott to playing second balls to new runners or empty spaces for most of his time on the pitch.

He and Fraser have been devastating at this level for smaller teams, as with most of the individuals you can see the potential there but that doesn't mean we are yet. Lots of possession and a clear intent to strafe wide and overload fullbacks. It's ironic we conceded in that way against Burton. KVY finding himself further forward than he managed prior, the whole side gets caught out and once again it's one shot and we are behind.

Cook has been here months, he couldn't make it work with what he had, he has been given way more than anyone else for a long time. It's all well and good pointing to his past at other clubs, but his past at Ipswich and thus his present, is closer to the bloody woeful we've been accustomed to. Pointing that out is not the TWTD equivalent of going to the Vatican and giving the Pope a kick up the ass.

You can probably be assured Cook and his staff will be unhappy with the points tally and the manner in which we've been so generous to teams with far smaller budgets and even more churn in the case of Morecambe.

More worryingly for them might be Ashton and the higher ups. They clearly didn't appoint Cook, they perhaps didn't see prudence in removing him right away either financially or morally when taking over. This is a marriage of convenience in some respects and this summer seems very much like Cook is backing himself, using the dollars available. That could all change very quickly without promotion on the table.

Pretending promotion is beyond this club is equally laughable, especially given all the chiding about "ambition" in recent years and when we were looking to do it in the league above. It absolutely must and should be the minimum we expect. 3 teams will go up, we should be one of them preferably as champions - otherwise this recall to Cook's CV is fairly moot. Let alone the fact we've got rid of Evans' approach and been told everything we wanted to hear for years.

Harper and Edwards look like they belong on the path to being in the league above already, and will hone that claim with game time. The lovely shapes Harper made when we got the ball down and he broke the play up were even better than the few times Dobra and Fraser did it. The fact we then didn't see players getting off shots and were reduced to hoping that flashes across the goal might be turned in yesterday, speaks to how disjointed we are.

The manner in which we conceded a second against Morecambe, seemed to plague us up top yesterday and with so many personnel changes it's not that surprising. Adding Burgess in will help breed some confidence amongst players and fans alike, it's a late but welcome addition in my opinion.

Woolfenden won a fair amount yesterday, Donacien again showed he's incredibly dependable but will never really excel. Given KVY seems to have lost a yard in his feet and another in his head, whether it's fear of getting hurt or a lack of fitness, the idea of replacing him with JD makes the whole system Cook is trying to employ, severely hampered. Regardless he hasn't managed many games for us yet and assuming he should or will is risky still.

Penney like many others seems to have the right ideas but not the right amount of belief or understanding around him. Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe sh1t seems to be the pattern of play we've settled for so far. But that will improve as time goes on. If it doesn't then we truly are a managerial graveyard and need something else drastically.

Fans haven't been in the grounds for over a year and that seems to play on everyone concerned. When we concede the atmosphere whooshes out and away almost instantly. People either side of the lines are unsure about what to say and do, particularly when things don't go as we'd like. But no amount of thought-policing and insistence on being cheery about failing to beat not one, but two teams, we'd never consider rivals to promotion is as wrong as it is tiring.

Just as it seemed there was a place for Toto and Norwood, there now doesn't unless they cycle in as others replace them on the treatment table and the timescales to get the spine sorted makes it little wonder why we've come out of the season crawling along.

Pointing to when and what side X or manager Y did is fairly irrelevant. There isn't a context which lends itself to ITFC completely changing in a matter of weeks and with it expectations and the ability to meet them.

Hladky has looked a far more rounded keeper, our central midfielders as good as those we just sold to promotion chasers in the league above, there's an abundance of threat up top but so far less return than we needed. But we've failed to keep teams out with barely a fight.

This has the makings of the most exciting season since the playoff campaign (because of where it sets us up to be) and there is enough about us to see us do well, but thinking we can just will that into existence is stupid. The longer we ponder and fail to produce wins with regularity the speed with which this league will leave us behind is the one thing we should have gotten used to in the years we've been down here.

It's a massive stain on this club being relegated to this level. It's still very much all over us for now. There's nothing wrong with facing up to that regularly either is there? They've been pretty open with us how long it will take to sort off the field, but on the field it should definitely be a much shorter timescale.


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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:43 - Sep 14 with 1424 viewspointofblue

It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:40 - Sep 14 by positivity

as the takeover was a fair way on, they'll have had a say in who was appointed, if they didn't want cook, i doubt he'd have got the job, lambert or gill would have continued as lame ducks until the takeover.

as for last season, it's clear the players had downed tools for lambert, hardly likely to bust a gut knowing that the influx of money would mean them being jettisoned anyway. think last year was an impossible job. this year needs massive improvement.


The players who had downed tools picked up ten points from twelve just before Cook took over and had us two points off the top six.

We're now three points off sixth from bottom.

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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:48 - Sep 14 with 1367 viewspositivity

It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:43 - Sep 14 by pointofblue

The players who had downed tools picked up ten points from twelve just before Cook took over and had us two points off the top six.

We're now three points off sixth from bottom.


"they'd downed tools for lambert".

could be getting my timelines wrong, but didn't they pick those points up when gill was in charge of the side and before the takeover was announced?

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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:56 - Sep 14 with 1306 viewspositivity

It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:42 - Sep 14 by Mullet

Phil clarifies it here on page 2.

There are some rather spectacular posts in there as well it seems

Everything is awesome by Mullet 15 Aug 21:52
Having seen both league games thus far, it's pretty clear that Cook's decision to be "Demolition Man" might well render his time here a cult classic, rather than the blockbuster we are budgeting for.

It wasn't necessary to rip apart the whole team, it was a decision and direction decided upon, and the first few steps have seen us in the gutter haven't they? Overloaded with attacking depth but unable to find a front 4 that doesn't limit Piggott to playing second balls to new runners or empty spaces for most of his time on the pitch.

He and Fraser have been devastating at this level for smaller teams, as with most of the individuals you can see the potential there but that doesn't mean we are yet. Lots of possession and a clear intent to strafe wide and overload fullbacks. It's ironic we conceded in that way against Burton. KVY finding himself further forward than he managed prior, the whole side gets caught out and once again it's one shot and we are behind.

Cook has been here months, he couldn't make it work with what he had, he has been given way more than anyone else for a long time. It's all well and good pointing to his past at other clubs, but his past at Ipswich and thus his present, is closer to the bloody woeful we've been accustomed to. Pointing that out is not the TWTD equivalent of going to the Vatican and giving the Pope a kick up the ass.

You can probably be assured Cook and his staff will be unhappy with the points tally and the manner in which we've been so generous to teams with far smaller budgets and even more churn in the case of Morecambe.

More worryingly for them might be Ashton and the higher ups. They clearly didn't appoint Cook, they perhaps didn't see prudence in removing him right away either financially or morally when taking over. This is a marriage of convenience in some respects and this summer seems very much like Cook is backing himself, using the dollars available. That could all change very quickly without promotion on the table.

Pretending promotion is beyond this club is equally laughable, especially given all the chiding about "ambition" in recent years and when we were looking to do it in the league above. It absolutely must and should be the minimum we expect. 3 teams will go up, we should be one of them preferably as champions - otherwise this recall to Cook's CV is fairly moot. Let alone the fact we've got rid of Evans' approach and been told everything we wanted to hear for years.

Harper and Edwards look like they belong on the path to being in the league above already, and will hone that claim with game time. The lovely shapes Harper made when we got the ball down and he broke the play up were even better than the few times Dobra and Fraser did it. The fact we then didn't see players getting off shots and were reduced to hoping that flashes across the goal might be turned in yesterday, speaks to how disjointed we are.

The manner in which we conceded a second against Morecambe, seemed to plague us up top yesterday and with so many personnel changes it's not that surprising. Adding Burgess in will help breed some confidence amongst players and fans alike, it's a late but welcome addition in my opinion.

Woolfenden won a fair amount yesterday, Donacien again showed he's incredibly dependable but will never really excel. Given KVY seems to have lost a yard in his feet and another in his head, whether it's fear of getting hurt or a lack of fitness, the idea of replacing him with JD makes the whole system Cook is trying to employ, severely hampered. Regardless he hasn't managed many games for us yet and assuming he should or will is risky still.

Penney like many others seems to have the right ideas but not the right amount of belief or understanding around him. Sometimes maybe good, sometimes maybe sh1t seems to be the pattern of play we've settled for so far. But that will improve as time goes on. If it doesn't then we truly are a managerial graveyard and need something else drastically.

Fans haven't been in the grounds for over a year and that seems to play on everyone concerned. When we concede the atmosphere whooshes out and away almost instantly. People either side of the lines are unsure about what to say and do, particularly when things don't go as we'd like. But no amount of thought-policing and insistence on being cheery about failing to beat not one, but two teams, we'd never consider rivals to promotion is as wrong as it is tiring.

Just as it seemed there was a place for Toto and Norwood, there now doesn't unless they cycle in as others replace them on the treatment table and the timescales to get the spine sorted makes it little wonder why we've come out of the season crawling along.

Pointing to when and what side X or manager Y did is fairly irrelevant. There isn't a context which lends itself to ITFC completely changing in a matter of weeks and with it expectations and the ability to meet them.

Hladky has looked a far more rounded keeper, our central midfielders as good as those we just sold to promotion chasers in the league above, there's an abundance of threat up top but so far less return than we needed. But we've failed to keep teams out with barely a fight.

This has the makings of the most exciting season since the playoff campaign (because of where it sets us up to be) and there is enough about us to see us do well, but thinking we can just will that into existence is stupid. The longer we ponder and fail to produce wins with regularity the speed with which this league will leave us behind is the one thing we should have gotten used to in the years we've been down here.

It's a massive stain on this club being relegated to this level. It's still very much all over us for now. There's nothing wrong with facing up to that regularly either is there? They've been pretty open with us how long it will take to sort off the field, but on the field it should definitely be a much shorter timescale.



thanks for that, very interesting. i wonder if appleton was their no. 1 choice before or after he signed the new deal with lincoln?

if the latter, that presumably means they think they might stand a chance of getting him, especially with lincoln not pulling up trees this year...

phil says they weren't unhappy with cook, which suggests that with the lavish transfer window backing then they'll give him a while longer

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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:59 - Sep 14 with 1276 viewsHARRY10

It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 22:25 - Sep 14 by pointofblue

Cook did a superb job of ensuring most people thought the issue last year was the players. I cannot blame Gamechanger for thinking that was the case considering his recent track record against the squa'ds performance over nearly two seasons under Lambert.

They backed him heavily in the transfer market to reinvigorate the squad but, sadly, instead of Cook being proven right it instead looks like that he's been the problem all along.


"backed him heavily "

Therein lies the problem. Just as was the thought last season was that Lambert was totally useless because we had the 'strongest squad in the league' Clearly we didn't.

It should be obvious that we have not signed some kind of PSG style all stars. Most look average, and the result have backed that. There are exceptions... Burns, Bonne and Aluko.

The reality is were we to move this back to last March and a new manager to replace Cook was being lined up how many of this 'chequebook' squad would we be looking to keep ? How many would we not be too sorry to see go ?

It doesn't smack of us spending heavily to bring in some of the cream of the lower divisions, or even the Championship where possible, but those in Cooks address book, as with the coaching staff. Maybe the players contracts are heavy, hence their 'Magnificent Seven' type answering of Cooks call to arms.

But why is Holy still here, more so after tonight ? If Walton was always intended to be brought in, then why was Holy's exit not already lined up waiting for Walton to walk through the door. Or was it that Walton was a last minute replacement for the hapless Hladky and Holy was then kept on as cover ?

Whatever it is, it smacks of it all being a shambles being made up on the hoof. Morsy an almost last minute signing. Edmundson not fit when signed, and looking not up to it either, along with Burgess and Coulson - L1 journeymen at best.

Perhaps it will all sort itself out and come good, but if the past 23 games are any indication of the next 23 then any spare tenner would be better placed on Stevie Wonder winning the next Pro Darts tournament.
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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 23:00 - Sep 14 with 1267 viewstimothyeo

Let's not now claim Cooks appointment has nothing to do with the owners just because its not worked out...
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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 23:45 - Sep 14 with 1092 viewsCoastalblue

It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 23:00 - Sep 14 by timothyeo

Let's not now claim Cooks appointment has nothing to do with the owners just because its not worked out...


Are you suggesting otherwise then?

At the point he was appointed it looked extremely unlikely Evans was going to agree to sell, I very much doubt they had much if any input into his appointment.

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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 07:04 - Sep 15 with 569 viewsSteve_M

I do think that it was the right thing for Gamechanger to leave Cook in charge, his record in this division has been good so he represented a good candidate for the immediate task (i.e. promotion to the Championship not a few games of nice football). Was their preferred choice, believed to be Appleton, likely to be much better for that task to make more disruption at that time worthwhile?

However, Cook and his coaching team are increasingly looking like the Evans' era hangover that appointment was. There's a lack of professionalism and basic effectiveness, that was evident last season however much people wanted to believe it was all down to the players. The defence is shambolic, as bad as anything since the Jewell-era and at least he managed to have three good runs in his time here.

After four wins in 16 matches last season and wholesale change this Summer, Cook needed to get off to a good start this season. This is is about as far removed from that as possible, it isn't unlucky if a team can't get the basics of defending right and it's not like we create all that much despite some good forward play.

It's not working for Cook here and I've had an increasing conviction that it just isn't going to for a while. It was right he had the chance but - unless something spectacular happens in the next few matches - then there is little point in dragging out failure.
[Post edited 15 Sep 7:21]

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It’s odd that we’ve been so ruthless off the pitch on 07:05 - Sep 15 with 566 viewsStewart27

I said this at the end of last season before they started writing the cheques.

Based on the end of last season, game changer should have got rid then if he wasn’t their man.
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