| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... 21:26 - Oct 2 with 3291 views | OriginalMarkyP |
How much time?
10 games. 2 wins. 4 draws. 4 losses.
A lot of people mentioned 10 games as a point at which to assess. (But let's forget we've lost 2 other games this season that it is politic to ignore).
And forget too, the games he was in charge of last season where he failed to motivate a team who couldve gone up, instead (if we believe what those ITK) choosing to tell them he was going to bring lots of his own players in almost as soon as he arrived.
So again, How Much Time?
15 games? 20? 30? |  |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 10:06 - Oct 3 with 577 views | Swailsey |
More time. He’s had the job less than a year.
It isn’t football manager - it’s real life. |  |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 10:06 - Oct 3 with 574 views | blueconscience |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 10:06 - Oct 3 by Swailsey |
More time. He’s had the job less than a year.
It isn’t football manager - it’s real life. |
In real life, bad managers do not get a year |  |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 10:10 - Oct 3 with 571 views | brazil1982 |
I'm more concerned right now of avoiding a relegation battle. |  | | |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 10:21 - Oct 3 with 551 views | powinswitch |
If we look like we are more likely to be in a relegation battle than fighting for the play offs on the 8th December after the charlton game, then I’d get rid then, and ensure that by then, a replacement was on standby ready to go, in the event that we were to pull the trigger. That gives the potential new boss time to assess the squad, before making a small number of changes in the January market. We would also have half a season to assess whether to entrust the next manager with the 2022 summer transfer budget. |  | | |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 10:23 - Oct 3 with 543 views | timothyeo |
Depends on if we want yet another season in this god awful league or not really. | | | |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 10:24 - Oct 3 with 538 views | jayessess |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 10:06 - Oct 3 by blueconscience |
In real life, bad managers do not get a year |
Indeed, and in real life what you look like after 10 games of a season is often pretty similar to what you look like after 40, and how a manager starts their reign is more often than not a solid predictor of how it'll go in general. [Post edited 3 Oct 2021 10:39]
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 10:36 - Oct 3 with 516 views | gazzer1999 |
So lets move the goal posts again to accommodate his failings, a full squad to pick from, 2 weeks on the training ground, 5 games/10 games. Well we all know how all that panned out, shall we now say after the international break? the man has been a complete abject failure here and look at the turnaround of players, how much longer? 9.00am tomorrow morning and take the backroom 'coaches/kitman/baker' with him.
This is all going horribly wrong, who do we bring in? maybe we should be looking abroad as all the names I have seen banded about do not inspire me to look forwards only damage limitation.
Morsy says Accrington were like a non league team, well they just beat the most expensive team in Division 3, just let that sink in, 'Accrington Stanley', how much lower can another 'Paul' take us. He should have gone after the Bolton humiliation, the time is now.
Forget all the nonsense about his number 2 he's been acting like a 'number 2!' |  | | |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:02 - Oct 3 with 479 views | pointofblue |
I said league game 15 before and I’ll stick to it. I have been less than impressed with him so far but think he should at least be given that. But consistent improvement must be seen by then and a reduction in the gap to sixth. | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:08 - Oct 3 with 476 views | wkj |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:02 - Oct 3 by pointofblue |
I said league game 15 before and I’ll stick to it. I have been less than impressed with him so far but think he should at least be given that. But consistent improvement must be seen by then and a reduction in the gap to sixth. |
What would be your bench mark at game 15 for keeping Cook? I see a number of people with arbitrary timeframes, but not a lot of follow up on what would be acceptable once that time is up.
(Not a conflict reply, genuinely interested to start hearing the second part of these statements) |  |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:12 - Oct 3 with 470 views | pointofblue |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:08 - Oct 3 by wkj |
What would be your bench mark at game 15 for keeping Cook? I see a number of people with arbitrary timeframes, but not a lot of follow up on what would be acceptable once that time is up.
(Not a conflict reply, genuinely interested to start hearing the second part of these statements) |
That’s a valid question as I was going to say he has to hit an average two points of game but what if he loses the next two then wins the following three? Suddenly sacking him would look odd but he wouldn’t have met that criteria. I’d probably stick to the two points a game average as a starting point but there has to be flexibility. Of course, to add into the mix if he loses against Shrewsbury and Cambridge he won’t be able to hit the ten point target so why not get rid of him then? | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:16 - Oct 3 with 465 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:08 - Oct 3 by wkj |
What would be your bench mark at game 15 for keeping Cook? I see a number of people with arbitrary timeframes, but not a lot of follow up on what would be acceptable once that time is up.
(Not a conflict reply, genuinely interested to start hearing the second part of these statements) |
I have consistently stated that from hereon in we need at least 2 points per game over each 5 match period. That looks very achievable from who the opposition is in the next 5 and a challenge from the 5 after that. If we fail in the next 5 he has to go. That is a minimum of 3 wins and a draw so lose 2 or fail to win any 3 is curtains for me. |  |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:20 - Oct 3 with 462 views | jayessess |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:02 - Oct 3 by pointofblue |
I said league game 15 before and I’ll stick to it. I have been less than impressed with him so far but think he should at least be given that. But consistent improvement must be seen by then and a reduction in the gap to sixth. |
I think it's almost certain he'll get at least those 15, so long as Shrewsbury and Cambridge go OK. Feels likely the club are quite invested in Cook as leader of the project.
I do wonder what Gamechanger's attitude will be if we continue at roughly the level of the last 4 games. If we beat Shrewsbury, draw with Cambridge and lose to Portsmouth say. Do they pull the trigger? | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:21 - Oct 3 with 463 views | wkj |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:16 - Oct 3 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I have consistently stated that from hereon in we need at least 2 points per game over each 5 match period. That looks very achievable from who the opposition is in the next 5 and a challenge from the 5 after that. If we fail in the next 5 he has to go. That is a minimum of 3 wins and a draw so lose 2 or fail to win any 3 is curtains for me. |
I think that is a fair expectation. I am not surprised by yesterday's result - I said very early on it didn't look like anyone wanted to be there (Players, Fans, Pundits). I can definitely put the loss down to the players over the manager though (unlike the games where Cook's subs have thrown results away)
I think we are right to expect atleast 10 points from the 15 available - the away games to Portsmouth and Cambridge sandwiched between home games will be a crucial. Portsmouth have talked themselves into a rivalry with us this season, and if we lose that it will be a lot of fans taking it personally. Not to mention that Cambridge are the closest thing to a derby we have. | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:25 - Oct 3 with 453 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:21 - Oct 3 by wkj |
I think that is a fair expectation. I am not surprised by yesterday's result - I said very early on it didn't look like anyone wanted to be there (Players, Fans, Pundits). I can definitely put the loss down to the players over the manager though (unlike the games where Cook's subs have thrown results away)
I think we are right to expect atleast 10 points from the 15 available - the away games to Portsmouth and Cambridge sandwiched between home games will be a crucial. Portsmouth have talked themselves into a rivalry with us this season, and if we lose that it will be a lot of fans taking it personally. Not to mention that Cambridge are the closest thing to a derby we have. |
There are no easy games in this league. We should be winning more difficult games than we fail to win.
Ultimately the result in the Portsmouth (or Accrington) matches on their own are meaningless. It is about us getting enough points over the season. At the moment we are a million miles away. If we cannot get on track quickly, major changes need to be made. | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:31 - Oct 3 with 437 views | ElephantintheRoom |
There's no such thing as a new manager nowadays. It's a new manager and his cabal of useless yes men.
Townalready have a new manager - and a cabal of useless yes men.
They also have a new team - a kind of reject and opportunist soup made up of various misfits and Cook loyalists. I doubt many of them would perform any better under a new manager.
Bick MIck will be available soon - becareful what you wish for | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:33 - Oct 3 with 443 views | wkj |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:25 - Oct 3 by Nthsuffolkblue |
There are no easy games in this league. We should be winning more difficult games than we fail to win.
Ultimately the result in the Portsmouth (or Accrington) matches on their own are meaningless. It is about us getting enough points over the season. At the moment we are a million miles away. If we cannot get on track quickly, major changes need to be made. |
I mostly agree, however, if we lose to Portsmouth - a lot of fans will go nuclear in the backlash. A lot of our social media engagements continue to be Portsmouth trolls who are reveling in our bad season. | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:35 - Oct 3 with 440 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:31 - Oct 3 by ElephantintheRoom |
There's no such thing as a new manager nowadays. It's a new manager and his cabal of useless yes men.
Townalready have a new manager - and a cabal of useless yes men.
They also have a new team - a kind of reject and opportunist soup made up of various misfits and Cook loyalists. I doubt many of them would perform any better under a new manager.
Bick MIck will be available soon - becareful what you wish for |
So, basically, all your posts are saying is there is never anything better out there and we should just sit back and enjoy watching us drift into oblivion. | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:51 - Oct 3 with 430 views | SouthfieldsBlue |
He gets to the end of October. But there has to be a big improvement. I think really we are talking a minimum of 11 points so any from:
5 wins
4 wins and a draw
4 wins and a loss
3 wins and 2 draws
Anything less and I think pull the trigger, though noting the point earlier in the thread if we struggled against Shrewsbury and Cambridge, then won 3 on the trot it would look odd to sack him and in that situation I probably wouldn't. That said, if we only got a point or 2 from Shrewsbury or Cambridge I'd have Dyer in the dugout against Portsmouth whilst we look for a new manager. | | | |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:51 - Oct 3 with 423 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:35 - Oct 3 by Nthsuffolkblue |
So, basically, all your posts are saying is there is never anything better out there and we should just sit back and enjoy watching us drift into oblivion. |
Not at all. I think Cook is a terrible manager and Ashton a risible fraud.
But to change the manager a few weeks after letting him destroy the previous team which had been trundling along on the fringe of promotion then buy and borrow an entire team and a half is absurd.
To see how clueless Cook is - and how awful the current franchise is you need to look no further than the rejected goalie. What player is goiong to feel settled and able to perform when the manager throws players under the bus?
Having said that a bunch of strangers cant be expected to instantly perform in a strange place until they know each other..- so yes leave well alone this season on the basis that relegation ought to be impossible - and promotion IS possible, albeit not as possible as it was last season | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:57 - Oct 3 with 417 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:51 - Oct 3 by ElephantintheRoom |
Not at all. I think Cook is a terrible manager and Ashton a risible fraud.
But to change the manager a few weeks after letting him destroy the previous team which had been trundling along on the fringe of promotion then buy and borrow an entire team and a half is absurd.
To see how clueless Cook is - and how awful the current franchise is you need to look no further than the rejected goalie. What player is goiong to feel settled and able to perform when the manager throws players under the bus?
Having said that a bunch of strangers cant be expected to instantly perform in a strange place until they know each other..- so yes leave well alone this season on the basis that relegation ought to be impossible - and promotion IS possible, albeit not as possible as it was last season |
So, to summarise, Cook is dreadful but should be left in post! | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:58 - Oct 3 with 412 views | itfcjoe |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 22:24 - Oct 2 by Fixed_It |
Not sure who is available who would improve us, and the risk is that further disruption mid-season could prove to be even more damaging. I think we need to hold our nerve, and believe we'll reap the rewards if we do. Tuesday showed us what this team is capable of. |
When you say who could improve us, it’s quite easy to say almost anyone would improve us.
When Cook was appointed last season, with us outside the play offs on Goal Difference, if you’d have told any fans that we wouldn’t get anywhere near the play offs and then be 19th after 10 games the following season no one would have believed we could do that badly, bar something mental like going into administration
The opposite happened, we have got everything we could want - even for the game yesterday we travelled up Thursday, had a days training up there, 2 nights away - how many clubs in the league could afford and implement this approach? And then we Chuck in another gutless performances against a side with a fraction of our budgets. |  |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 12:10 - Oct 3 with 385 views | pointofblue |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 11:58 - Oct 3 by itfcjoe |
When you say who could improve us, it’s quite easy to say almost anyone would improve us.
When Cook was appointed last season, with us outside the play offs on Goal Difference, if you’d have told any fans that we wouldn’t get anywhere near the play offs and then be 19th after 10 games the following season no one would have believed we could do that badly, bar something mental like going into administration
The opposite happened, we have got everything we could want - even for the game yesterday we travelled up Thursday, had a days training up there, 2 nights away - how many clubs in the league could afford and implement this approach? And then we Chuck in another gutless performances against a side with a fraction of our budgets. |
And then our captain sneers that they’re non-league after the match. | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 12:14 - Oct 3 with 377 views | OriginalMarkyP |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 12:10 - Oct 3 by pointofblue |
And then our captain sneers that they’re non-league after the match. |
have to admit. that lacked class. it's our job to beat them, andnot their job to try and take us on at a crisp passing game. | |
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| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 13:03 - Oct 3 with 337 views | istanblue |
I'd like to give him til the end of the month. If we're serious about promotion though we need 12 points at least from this month's fixtures. Lose 2 more games this month and Cook has to go. |  | | |
| So genuine question to those who think Cook deserves more time... on 13:09 - Oct 3 with 331 views | bluelagos |
I wouldn't even think about judging PC until he has had a decent run with his newly assembled squad. So for me, I'd be giving him until the new year and then assessing whether I thought the team were on the right track then.
We have played 2 games with his new captain in place, so way too early to come to conclusions on how he is doing imho. There has been lots of progress on our attacking form and in recent games the signs that the defense is coming along too.
Appreciate many people want success now, but I don't think it realistic to expect a new team to instantly perform, was always going to take a while. Most important thing is are we progressing as a team, something I think we are. |  |
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