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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid 09:25 - Oct 3 with 2688 viewsunstableblue

“This is a travesty and disgusting, the government knew this was coming and have done nothing” says an industry spokesperson

Fruits/Veg farmers need unbelievable volumes of labour!!! And cannot secure any.

42% of garages in south east England were without one type of fuel Friday, approximately 20% without fuel

Head of NFU Scotland states that unless the government start being honest with itself and the public that this in the main a Brexit issue then we cannot progress - to call them Covid recovery visas is disingenuous

When people voted Leave is should have said in brackets ( You are also voting for the worst cabinet in living memory and 15 years of economic damage’

What can we do? Back Starmer? Write to your MP? Get on the streets?

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 09:38 - Oct 3 with 1982 viewsPlums

I’m just rocking gently backwards and forwards incanting ‘they confirmed many times that they knew what they were voting for’

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 09:55 - Oct 3 with 1929 viewsPinewoodblue

At an election people vote for the party they think will do what is best. Some what is best for them personally, others for what they think is best for the Country.

We have what we have because not enough people saw a reasonable alternative. In truth there wasn’t one.

We need an opposition that doesn’t just point out what is wrong but offers workable alternatives. We still don’t have one, we’ll not one with a reasonable chance of success.

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 09:58 - Oct 3 with 1920 viewsPlums

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 09:55 - Oct 3 by Pinewoodblue

At an election people vote for the party they think will do what is best. Some what is best for them personally, others for what they think is best for the Country.

We have what we have because not enough people saw a reasonable alternative. In truth there wasn’t one.

We need an opposition that doesn’t just point out what is wrong but offers workable alternatives. We still don’t have one, we’ll not one with a reasonable chance of success.


There is little or no chance of such an opposition emerging without the support of the media and 80% of it has a vested interest in the ‘politics’ of modern Conservatism. We’re fecked

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:07 - Oct 3 with 1886 viewsPinewoodblue

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 09:58 - Oct 3 by Plums

There is little or no chance of such an opposition emerging without the support of the media and 80% of it has a vested interest in the ‘politics’ of modern Conservatism. We’re fecked


Sometimes think Daily Mail is the Government’s biggest critic but then you can understand that as they want Tories to remain in power after the next election.

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:16 - Oct 3 with 1840 viewsmonytowbray

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:07 - Oct 3 by Pinewoodblue

Sometimes think Daily Mail is the Government’s biggest critic but then you can understand that as they want Tories to remain in power after the next election.


If you think the DM is the gov’s worst critic your media sourced need a rework.

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:21 - Oct 3 with 1812 viewsYou_Bloo_Right

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 09:55 - Oct 3 by Pinewoodblue

At an election people vote for the party they think will do what is best. Some what is best for them personally, others for what they think is best for the Country.

We have what we have because not enough people saw a reasonable alternative. In truth there wasn’t one.

We need an opposition that doesn’t just point out what is wrong but offers workable alternatives. We still don’t have one, we’ll not one with a reasonable chance of success.


Not sure the analysis entirely holds up.

After all still fairly recently 52% of the electorate voted for something that, on all available evidence, was not a credible alternative to the status quo. It was as much a matter of faith/frustration then as any in depth analysis of manifestos, probable outcomes, whatever. Just saying something was, in their opinion, wrong and producing a few, uncosted, claims about the alternative certainly "worked" for Vote Leave.

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:24 - Oct 3 with 1795 viewsPinewoodblue

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:16 - Oct 3 by monytowbray

If you think the DM is the gov’s worst critic your media sourced need a rework.


Was thinking of constructive criticism, my news reading is restricted to DM and Guardian with a bit Economist thrown in for good measure. Visual news Aljazeera.

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:24 - Oct 3 with 1796 viewsHARRY10

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 09:55 - Oct 3 by Pinewoodblue

At an election people vote for the party they think will do what is best. Some what is best for them personally, others for what they think is best for the Country.

We have what we have because not enough people saw a reasonable alternative. In truth there wasn’t one.

We need an opposition that doesn’t just point out what is wrong but offers workable alternatives. We still don’t have one, we’ll not one with a reasonable chance of success.


err, they did

which was met by a deafening bleat of 2project fear.........baa baa"

Johnson was elected because he promised to get Brexit done.

The question is not why others did not explain the sheer stupidity of brexit, but why so many point blanks refused to see it

Cue Jane Munnery ex Lowestoft MEP bleating that Boris Johnson lied. The lie he actually told was so absurd that the above question applies.

If you introduce piles of red tape (4 million extra custom forms per week)and you block off all those earning less than £500 a week then delude yourself that somehow it will improve the country

what kind of feckin eejit are you ?

None of us could know (Feb 2020) how many would die of Covid - but all of us should have known that anyone dying, would be dead.

The evidence was clear, from so many varied authoritive sources that Brexit would have a disastrous effect on the country, one like a slow puncture, would continue to damage the country for years - yet the stupid people flocked to the polling stations in their millions ready to believe an habitual liar.

Those people did not want an alternative - they wanted brexit, which I suspect had an awful lot to do with bigotry, xenophobia and anti muslim sentiment than ever folk will admit.
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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:37 - Oct 3 with 1771 viewsPinewoodblue

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:24 - Oct 3 by HARRY10

err, they did

which was met by a deafening bleat of 2project fear.........baa baa"

Johnson was elected because he promised to get Brexit done.

The question is not why others did not explain the sheer stupidity of brexit, but why so many point blanks refused to see it

Cue Jane Munnery ex Lowestoft MEP bleating that Boris Johnson lied. The lie he actually told was so absurd that the above question applies.

If you introduce piles of red tape (4 million extra custom forms per week)and you block off all those earning less than £500 a week then delude yourself that somehow it will improve the country

what kind of feckin eejit are you ?

None of us could know (Feb 2020) how many would die of Covid - but all of us should have known that anyone dying, would be dead.

The evidence was clear, from so many varied authoritive sources that Brexit would have a disastrous effect on the country, one like a slow puncture, would continue to damage the country for years - yet the stupid people flocked to the polling stations in their millions ready to believe an habitual liar.

Those people did not want an alternative - they wanted brexit, which I suspect had an awful lot to do with bigotry, xenophobia and anti muslim sentiment than ever folk will admit.


You are directing your anger in the wrong direction. Turn out for Brexit vote was over 72% but just over 67% in the last General Election and down 1.5% on the previous one.

Tories got their support to vote while opposition parties, in England, failed to put up a reasonable alternative. Like every poll ever held the Election was lost rather than won.

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:43 - Oct 3 with 1760 viewsNthsuffolkblue

To be fair, voting Leave was not in and of itself voting for that cabinet. It was believing the obvious lies that this cabinet wants to continue to have electors believe, though. It was the "Get Brexit done!" slogan that won this cabinet unadulterated power (and that off the back of persuading around 44% of those who voted). Unfortunately politics is won and lost to a large degree by slogan writers. If only they had gone for another version of "strong and stable" instead. On that note, what even was Labour's slogan?

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:54 - Oct 3 with 1729 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:24 - Oct 3 by HARRY10

err, they did

which was met by a deafening bleat of 2project fear.........baa baa"

Johnson was elected because he promised to get Brexit done.

The question is not why others did not explain the sheer stupidity of brexit, but why so many point blanks refused to see it

Cue Jane Munnery ex Lowestoft MEP bleating that Boris Johnson lied. The lie he actually told was so absurd that the above question applies.

If you introduce piles of red tape (4 million extra custom forms per week)and you block off all those earning less than £500 a week then delude yourself that somehow it will improve the country

what kind of feckin eejit are you ?

None of us could know (Feb 2020) how many would die of Covid - but all of us should have known that anyone dying, would be dead.

The evidence was clear, from so many varied authoritive sources that Brexit would have a disastrous effect on the country, one like a slow puncture, would continue to damage the country for years - yet the stupid people flocked to the polling stations in their millions ready to believe an habitual liar.

Those people did not want an alternative - they wanted brexit, which I suspect had an awful lot to do with bigotry, xenophobia and anti muslim sentiment than ever folk will admit.


Nobody woking a 40 hour week should earn less than £500....problem solved. (Tempted to add 'you fekkin eejit ' but well, you know!)

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:56 - Oct 3 with 1709 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:43 - Oct 3 by Nthsuffolkblue

To be fair, voting Leave was not in and of itself voting for that cabinet. It was believing the obvious lies that this cabinet wants to continue to have electors believe, though. It was the "Get Brexit done!" slogan that won this cabinet unadulterated power (and that off the back of persuading around 44% of those who voted). Unfortunately politics is won and lost to a large degree by slogan writers. If only they had gone for another version of "strong and stable" instead. On that note, what even was Labour's slogan?


"Oh Jeremy Corbyn." I think.

"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:57 - Oct 3 with 1706 viewswkj

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:24 - Oct 3 by HARRY10

err, they did

which was met by a deafening bleat of 2project fear.........baa baa"

Johnson was elected because he promised to get Brexit done.

The question is not why others did not explain the sheer stupidity of brexit, but why so many point blanks refused to see it

Cue Jane Munnery ex Lowestoft MEP bleating that Boris Johnson lied. The lie he actually told was so absurd that the above question applies.

If you introduce piles of red tape (4 million extra custom forms per week)and you block off all those earning less than £500 a week then delude yourself that somehow it will improve the country

what kind of feckin eejit are you ?

None of us could know (Feb 2020) how many would die of Covid - but all of us should have known that anyone dying, would be dead.

The evidence was clear, from so many varied authoritive sources that Brexit would have a disastrous effect on the country, one like a slow puncture, would continue to damage the country for years - yet the stupid people flocked to the polling stations in their millions ready to believe an habitual liar.

Those people did not want an alternative - they wanted brexit, which I suspect had an awful lot to do with bigotry, xenophobia and anti muslim sentiment than ever folk will admit.


Project Fear was actually an autocorrect for Proper Fu*ked - my sources can reveal.

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:58 - Oct 3 with 1699 viewsElephantintheRoom

Start looking up recipes for sucking pig - it might be all that is available for Xmas

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 11:08 - Oct 3 with 1679 viewsbazza

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:58 - Oct 3 by ElephantintheRoom

Start looking up recipes for sucking pig - it might be all that is available for Xmas


Speak to David Cameron , I’m sure he may be able to help with that ..
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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 11:33 - Oct 3 with 1636 viewsYou_Bloo_Right

Whatever one's views, and whether one agrees with the various authors or not, there is some interesting analysis of GE2019 in here:

http://eprints.bournemouth.ac.uk/33165/13/UKElectionAnalysis2019_Jackson-Thorsen

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 11:44 - Oct 3 with 1600 viewsRyorry

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 11:44 - Oct 3 with 1600 viewsNthsuffolkblue

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 11:33 - Oct 3 by You_Bloo_Right

Whatever one's views, and whether one agrees with the various authors or not, there is some interesting analysis of GE2019 in here:

http://eprints.bournemouth.ac.uk/33165/13/UKElectionAnalysis2019_Jackson-Thorsen


A lot there. This is an interesting comment

"But in an age of social
media, honesty is far from straightforward. Tweets
purporting to come from Corbyn were sent from
fake accounts and First Draft found that 88% of
Conservative Facebook campaigning ads were
deemed by Full Fact, the UKs leading fact checking
organisation, to be misleading. The BBC also stood
accused of dishonesty through misleading editing
(and later apologised — twice). Rather than honesty
being the driver of content, this election, more
than any other, felt like it was fuelled by a political
economy of lies"

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 11:50 - Oct 3 with 1573 viewswkj

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 11:44 - Oct 3 by Ryorry

We need either all members of and longterm voters for the Labour Party, to recognise that united they stand, divided they fall, or #ProgressiveAlliance to miraculously take off so hugely that they'd sweep to power in a totally unprecedented way in the UK.


The much more likely thing to happen is that the Tory party will go to war with itself (as often happens in history) and they end up bickering into another hung parliament.

The lib dem voters took the coalition way too much to heart. Yes, Nick Clegg ended up sleeping with the enemy, however, the tories we reigned in much more during that time. Lib dem voters should have remained loyal, instead of either not voting, or dispersing amoung other parties.

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 11:53 - Oct 3 with 1555 viewsDarth_Koont

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 09:55 - Oct 3 by Pinewoodblue

At an election people vote for the party they think will do what is best. Some what is best for them personally, others for what they think is best for the Country.

We have what we have because not enough people saw a reasonable alternative. In truth there wasn’t one.

We need an opposition that doesn’t just point out what is wrong but offers workable alternatives. We still don’t have one, we’ll not one with a reasonable chance of success.


For 4 decades, we have followed an individualist neoliberal approach where people have been told by a vast majority of politicians and the political media that voting for themselves and their own economic opportunity was, in fact, the very best thing for society.

There alway was an alternative, but we’ve become as bad as Americans with our blind faith in the dream and blind terror of the politics that focuses on the greater good. That’s ignorant of both the past, the present and the future.

The post-war social programmes of the late 40s, 50s and 60s shaped the UK and dragged millions up through better health, education, housing and social services. Then we said that we’re done with that and stopped.

Other countries in Northwestern Europe and further afield didn’t – and certainly didn’t allow that foundation to erode. Which is why we’re now lagging behind by most social measures and by productivity – our economy is really propped up by a financial services industry that was allowed to become the focus hence widening inequalities with everything and everyone else that’s unconnected.

And looking to the future of climate change, AI, automation and an ageing population we’re similarly unprepared by the current approach without the foresight and investment of governments who can think of the long term costs and missed opportunities of not doing so instead of the quick buck.

It’s really become a hopeless mess with this sort of unbalanced, unopposed direction we’ve blindly followed. And massively divisive too when the majority of people either experience or can sense the underlying inequality and injustice the approach delivers. We’ve now got a country that’s divided by socioeconomic class, age, regions and cultures with little security and hope for the future – and an establishment that seemingly thrives on that division because it gives them unopposed control.

Time to reset and for the majority to act in the majority’s overall interests. Basically it’s time to wake up to where we are in 2021 and what lies ahead.

Pronouns: He/Him

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 12:06 - Oct 3 with 1514 viewsHARRY10

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 10:54 - Oct 3 by BanksterDebtSlave

Nobody woking a 40 hour week should earn less than £500....problem solved. (Tempted to add 'you fekkin eejit ' but well, you know!)


most irrelevant post of the day

the vacancies are almost all in jobs that pay around the minimum wage - that was the state of play when the visa requirements were drawn up

in fact it was an even higher figure, until someone pointed out to the clueless Tories that it would stop the MHS recruiting a whole level of medical technicians

so blocking off those minimal pay workers was always going to cause a shortage, irrespective of what they should be paid

one of the noticeable points of the 2019 election was the sheer stupidity of the arguments being used for voting Tory/brexit

"Labour did not protect us from austerity" being one

that stupidity was expressed as most were only focussed on a xenophobic brexit, and so rather than state that in public they regurgitated whatever they had heard might sound credible

there won't be any 'levelling up' any more than there will be sunny uplands - the heavy industries that caused places like Middleboro, and Tynside to grow have gone, for good - and due to a disastrous housing policy the chances of many moving out have likewise gone, perhaps for good.

visitors to Cornwall were complaining all summer that there was a lack of staff for the pubs/resturants, blithely ignoring that they were staying in the accommodation staff previously lived in - try moving house from 'up north' to work in the south and you have no chance

spend billions on upgrading UK fast fibre broadband to a level found in much of the EU and again no chance, something which could allow for more work to be done in places outside of the south east - instead the country is lumbered with an incredibly costly failure (HS2) which is already obsolete

there is much that was, and still is, clearly wrong, but was never mentioned - it was all about 'get the bloody foreigners out', well many are out and a huge number cannot get back in, perhaps the government will now start to build the housing needed to allow freedom of movement inside the UK - or perhaps it will offer up another vacuous slogan - I think I know what brexiteers want

" all poor people are equal, and we will keep them that way"
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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 12:58 - Oct 3 with 1459 viewsDarth_Koont

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 11:33 - Oct 3 by You_Bloo_Right

Whatever one's views, and whether one agrees with the various authors or not, there is some interesting analysis of GE2019 in here:

http://eprints.bournemouth.ac.uk/33165/13/UKElectionAnalysis2019_Jackson-Thorsen


Thanks for that.

I had a skim through and a proper dip into a few of the articles (a skimmy dip?), and it looked very interesting. I’ll give it a proper read over the next few days.

Superficially at least, it seems to suggest a dysfunctional democracy and a crisis in public communication. Which, given austerity, Brexit, Scottish independence referendum, other general elections, the pandemic and their coverage in the media/the resulting public debate, seems a pretty safe conclusion.

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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 13:06 - Oct 3 with 1437 viewsBlueNomad

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 11:53 - Oct 3 by Darth_Koont

For 4 decades, we have followed an individualist neoliberal approach where people have been told by a vast majority of politicians and the political media that voting for themselves and their own economic opportunity was, in fact, the very best thing for society.

There alway was an alternative, but we’ve become as bad as Americans with our blind faith in the dream and blind terror of the politics that focuses on the greater good. That’s ignorant of both the past, the present and the future.

The post-war social programmes of the late 40s, 50s and 60s shaped the UK and dragged millions up through better health, education, housing and social services. Then we said that we’re done with that and stopped.

Other countries in Northwestern Europe and further afield didn’t – and certainly didn’t allow that foundation to erode. Which is why we’re now lagging behind by most social measures and by productivity – our economy is really propped up by a financial services industry that was allowed to become the focus hence widening inequalities with everything and everyone else that’s unconnected.

And looking to the future of climate change, AI, automation and an ageing population we’re similarly unprepared by the current approach without the foresight and investment of governments who can think of the long term costs and missed opportunities of not doing so instead of the quick buck.

It’s really become a hopeless mess with this sort of unbalanced, unopposed direction we’ve blindly followed. And massively divisive too when the majority of people either experience or can sense the underlying inequality and injustice the approach delivers. We’ve now got a country that’s divided by socioeconomic class, age, regions and cultures with little security and hope for the future – and an establishment that seemingly thrives on that division because it gives them unopposed control.

Time to reset and for the majority to act in the majority’s overall interests. Basically it’s time to wake up to where we are in 2021 and what lies ahead.


Spot on. Excellent description of where we are.
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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 13:17 - Oct 3 with 1412 viewsleitrimblue

Someone's gonna have to butter a lot of bread....
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150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 13:42 - Oct 3 with 1344 viewsYou_Bloo_Right

150,000 pigs about to be culled due to Brexit and Covid on 12:58 - Oct 3 by Darth_Koont

Thanks for that.

I had a skim through and a proper dip into a few of the articles (a skimmy dip?), and it looked very interesting. I’ll give it a proper read over the next few days.

Superficially at least, it seems to suggest a dysfunctional democracy and a crisis in public communication. Which, given austerity, Brexit, Scottish independence referendum, other general elections, the pandemic and their coverage in the media/the resulting public debate, seems a pretty safe conclusion.


I haven't read it all by any means but I do have a concern that certainly some of the conclusions drawn aren't explored more fully - it makes the various articles read more like op-ed pieces. Nevertheless I think I have so far seen enough credible points made by seemingly credible observers to make it worth reading.

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