| Heading into lockdown aren't we 17:11 - Oct 6 with 8403 views | chrismakin |
Very quiet from the government on things, but behind the scenes they all know Covid is out of control again around the UK.
I See it being a Jan lockdown
Why? the company i work for, government contract have cancelled all January recruitment events. |  |
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| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 09:53 - Oct 7 with 1352 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 18:24 - Oct 6 by Digger77 |
They don't work, as the studies show, so it won't be happening again. |
Not did the education system in your case but it's not helpful to keep drawing peoples attention to it. |  | | |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 09:54 - Oct 7 with 1347 views | blue62 |
You're a little ray of sunshine. |  | | |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 10:18 - Oct 7 with 1306 views | BlueBadger |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 20:55 - Oct 6 by Trequartista |
Can we not just hear this person out instead of all jumping to condemn? They've produced some evidence, and are arguing politely at this point, lets investigate the source and see where it leads us. If it is proven to be nonsense and they are unwilling to accept it, then that's the time to censor. |
This particular poster is a well known wannabe edgelord who's desperately wanting to fill the non-existent gap in the TWTD market left by P*z.
He's cited a known unreliable source which is in turn citing a known flawed study and is repeating the Swedish fallacy.
And in true Trekky fashion, you're coming out to defend him. |  |
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| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 10:19 - Oct 7 with 1305 views | BlueBadger |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 20:58 - Oct 6 by Digger77 |
"Don't post about things you don't know about or understand when they are potentially damaging to other people."
Sorry, but that's a bit rich. I believe you thought we should stay in lockdown longer as we were about to see a massive spike in deaths? Boris was a murderer etc. That's damaging. |
Yeah, you've struck me as qualified virologist, statistician, economist and physician since you've surfaced here, playing the P*z tribute act. [Post edited 7 Oct 2021 10:26]
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| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 10:37 - Oct 7 with 1284 views | BlueBadger |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 18:24 - Oct 6 by Digger77 |
They don't work, as the studies show, so it won't be happening again. |
Tell you what, wear a facemask in public and have your jabs then, do your but to reduce spread via proven methods then, you massive fanny. [Post edited 7 Oct 2021 12:25]
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| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 10:40 - Oct 7 with 1279 views | BlueBadger |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 20:33 - Oct 6 by Digger77 |
If you want to ban me for having a discussion, that's fine. However, it's not me getting personal here.
I'm not antivax for about the 5th time! |
Oh spare us your disenguous 'it weren't me' posturing. You were all over supporting the anti-vaccination arguments the other day with snide little comments and crafty upvotes.
Your cowardice is nearly as tedious as your desperate attempts to be edgy.
I'm just having a discussion here. | |
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| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 10:48 - Oct 7 with 1258 views | BlueBadger |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 18:31 - Oct 6 by Trequartista |
Covid is not out of control. Cases, hospitalisations and deaths are all down (week on week) at the moment although a jump in cases today.
Lots of unknowns as ever, but would need a new vaccine-escaping variant or a significant wane in vaccine effectiveness combined with a failed booster jab campaign i would think. |
We DO, however, have a desperately stretched NHS which is(if my on-the ground experience is being mirrored elsewhere) short on beds of all kinds, short of staff, haemorrhaging qualified and experienced ITU staff and the staff who are still working are exhausted and traumatised.
We'r enow heading into winter on more daily deaths then the equivalent time of year having abandoned any kind of public attempt to control the virus and getting that particular genie back into the bottle is going to be nigh-on impossible now.
Winter is going to yet again, be disastrous, but 'quietly' so. | |
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| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 10:50 - Oct 7 with 1249 views | BlueBadger |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 18:54 - Oct 6 by Digger77 |
I'll try and dig out the study.
#bekind |
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| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 10:53 - Oct 7 with 1254 views | Ryorry |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 10:48 - Oct 7 by BlueBadger |
We DO, however, have a desperately stretched NHS which is(if my on-the ground experience is being mirrored elsewhere) short on beds of all kinds, short of staff, haemorrhaging qualified and experienced ITU staff and the staff who are still working are exhausted and traumatised.
We'r enow heading into winter on more daily deaths then the equivalent time of year having abandoned any kind of public attempt to control the virus and getting that particular genie back into the bottle is going to be nigh-on impossible now.
Winter is going to yet again, be disastrous, but 'quietly' so. |
Distressing evidence supporting your comments from a practising A&E nurse -
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| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 12:01 - Oct 7 with 1170 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 09:38 - Oct 7 by GlasgowBlue |
No. Because that thread was based on confirmed reports 9n the Times and other media outlets that Nicola Sturgeon's advisors were proposing a 'circuit-breaker lockdown' based on cases doubling week on week for three consecutive weeks in Scotland.
Although I'm glad you brought that thread up because you made a statement that the sudden rise in cases was, and I quote, "attributable to schools returning, not sure how/why it could be attributed to anything else"
This despite stats being linked showing that cases were doubling before the schools went back and that cases among school aged children were no different three weeks after returning to school than they were in the week preceding their return. You then asserted that cases in England would follow a similar trajectory when the kids returned to school and that we should re visit this at that time.
Two weeks after the schools returned in England there was only a very small increase in numbers of cases and then cases dropped to a lower level than before for something like three consecutive weeks.
I did revisit this thread at your request but for some strange reason you didn't reply . You must have missed the post at the time as I'm sure you wouldn't want me to to have thought you'd gone missing because your argument was proven to be incorrect.
New lockdown looming for Scotland by GlasgowBlue 10 Sep 2021 17:06So two weeks after the schools opened in England there was a small increase in cases but now for the second day running they are reporting fewer cases than the same day in the previous weeks.
in Scotland cases doubled the weeks the schools re opened. I posted data showing that the majority of cases were from the 18-24 group.
Do you now agree that it was foolish to hold back on relaxing restrictions during the summer months and ill judged to relax them at the same time as the kids went back and the weather cooled?
https://twitter.com/ukcovid19stats/status/1436005990613270528?s=21
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| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 12:24 - Oct 7 with 1129 views | Westover |
Cases in the last 7 days / 1 M pop
UK 3,469
Germany 638
France 466
Italy. 344
Spain. 274
Portugal. 394
Not looking good IMO. | | | |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 12:24 - Oct 7 with 1128 views | gordon |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 12:01 - Oct 7 by GlasgowBlue |
Gordon? |
Not sure what you're asking exactly - all I'd said was this about the rise in cases in mid-August in Scotland:
"Think the increases started the w/c 16th August though - on 16th August the + rate per 1000 was much higher in England than Scotland, now it's higher in Scotland, but I think it's pretty likely that most of that is attributable to schools returning, not sure how/why it could be attributed to anything else."
And then this:
"I would wait and see what case numbers look like in England a week or so after schools go back before assessing the different approaches."
I would say both posts are reasonable!
Agree that the +test data are different in respect to schools going back in Scotland vs England - the two most parsimonious explanations would be different approaches to testing or varying levels of pre-existing immunity in the pop, but no idea if that is the case, and it is likely to be driven a combination of factors - afraid I'm still not convinced that the Sturgeon factor is that relevant! |  | | |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 13:11 - Oct 7 with 1068 views | borge |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 19:12 - Oct 6 by StokieBlue |
This is a dangerous falsehood and you should be ashamed of propagating it.
I've no doubt you can find an individual study which supports you from a pay-to-publish journal but you'll be cherry picking evidence from a sea of papers which say the exact opposite in order to suit your narrative.
The fact that posts like this are even tolerated on here was part of the reason I left. Fighting the torrent of misinformation and "feelings" was both exhausting and in the end a pointless waste of my time. Not all things are open to debate, especially when they are demonstrably wrong and possibly damaging. You can't really claim ignorance either given you've gone out of your way to find a study that supports you whilst clear studies to the contrary were posted as recently as yesterday.
I've noticed that many of your posts seem to use the generic cross-subject denier tactic of "muddying the waters" although I am unsure if this is by design or stupidity whereby you post the things you want to be true. You say "be kind" but you actions don't allow people that possibility.
It's probably wise not to post on things you clearly know nothing about, especially given the dangerous nature of the subject matter. The scientific method cares not for your feelings or opinions and I doubt many posters do either.
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Very pleased to see you back.
Of all the people who dropped-off around the same time, I was most disappointed to see you go. The atmosphere on here has largely been better recently, so please don't disappear again.
Without wishing to blow too much smoke up your @rse, very few people talk in a fair, balanced and knowledgeable was on here as you do. | | | |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 13:14 - Oct 7 with 1066 views | TractorWood |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 12:24 - Oct 7 by Westover |
Cases in the last 7 days / 1 M pop
UK 3,469
Germany 638
France 466
Italy. 344
Spain. 274
Portugal. 394
Not looking good IMO. |
Data's been hovering around 30-40k cases for months. Which everyone seems to accept as par for the course now.
Population essentially entirely vaccinated. This means increased cases don't affect hospital admissions in the same way they did last year or very early this year.
I don't think there is any value in hyper (emphasis on hyper) analysing the situation any more. It's basically in comparatively acceptable stasis.
Zero chance of any more lockdowns imo. Gov would be finalising the draft of their own obituary. [Post edited 7 Oct 2021 13:16]
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| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 13:25 - Oct 7 with 1045 views | eireblue |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 20:19 - Oct 6 by GlasgowBlue |
I agree. I said this months ago when people were posting covid denial on here. TBF Phil did crack down hard on them.
But then there is also a lot of unfounded scaremongering in the other direction.
I recall when there were predictions that we would reach 100,000 cases a day by the end of August, people were saying it would be far higher and happen far sooner. It didn't happen. No retractions or acknowledgement.
The debate needs to be informed and balanced. |
In my view, debates only need to be informed. |  | | |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 18:17 - Oct 7 with 940 views | Ryorry |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 13:14 - Oct 7 by TractorWood |
Data's been hovering around 30-40k cases for months. Which everyone seems to accept as par for the course now.
Population essentially entirely vaccinated. This means increased cases don't affect hospital admissions in the same way they did last year or very early this year.
I don't think there is any value in hyper (emphasis on hyper) analysing the situation any more. It's basically in comparatively acceptable stasis.
Zero chance of any more lockdowns imo. Gov would be finalising the draft of their own obituary. [Post edited 7 Oct 2021 13:16]
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Can't find it atm but saw a tweet with stats this a.m. showing that per million of the population, we're averaging something like 1,350 infections as opposed to most other European countries 350 or below (new cases daily? will try to find tweet again later). [Post edited 7 Oct 2021 18:18]
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| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 19:22 - Oct 7 with 907 views | TractorWood |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 18:17 - Oct 7 by Ryorry |
Can't find it atm but saw a tweet with stats this a.m. showing that per million of the population, we're averaging something like 1,350 infections as opposed to most other European countries 350 or below (new cases daily? will try to find tweet again later). [Post edited 7 Oct 2021 18:18]
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Don't need to find a tweet. There are 56m people in England and cases were 40k today. That's 714 cases per million of population innit. | |
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| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 20:21 - Oct 7 with 868 views | Ryorry |
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| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 20:28 - Oct 7 with 857 views | RobTheMonk |
I get public transport to work and I reckon about 75% don't wear masks on my bus.
One of my workplaces seem to have abandoned mask wearing too.
Students are all back now so bound to be an increase. |  | | |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 20:31 - Oct 7 with 849 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 20:21 - Oct 7 by Ryorry |
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What do you put that down to? | |
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| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 20:36 - Oct 7 with 837 views | gordon |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 13:14 - Oct 7 by TractorWood |
Data's been hovering around 30-40k cases for months. Which everyone seems to accept as par for the course now.
Population essentially entirely vaccinated. This means increased cases don't affect hospital admissions in the same way they did last year or very early this year.
I don't think there is any value in hyper (emphasis on hyper) analysing the situation any more. It's basically in comparatively acceptable stasis.
Zero chance of any more lockdowns imo. Gov would be finalising the draft of their own obituary. [Post edited 7 Oct 2021 13:16]
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Definitely not zero chance - as long as the virus is still circulating globally at high levels (500,000 cases reported per day, with the actual figure much higher) there's always going to be some chance of a new variant causing serious problems again. | | | |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 22:12 - Oct 7 with 784 views | Ryorry |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 20:31 - Oct 7 by GlasgowBlue |
What do you put that down to? |
Our govt. removing all restrictions, our people not voluntarily masking/distancing. Compare with, eg this re Germany, and I've seen almost exactly the same re France -
Edit: btw, profile of tweet author - "I'm a retired epidemiologist from Leicester". [Post edited 7 Oct 2021 22:37]
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| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 22:47 - Oct 7 with 742 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Heading into lockdown aren't we on 22:12 - Oct 7 by Ryorry |
Our govt. removing all restrictions, our people not voluntarily masking/distancing. Compare with, eg this re Germany, and I've seen almost exactly the same re France -
Edit: btw, profile of tweet author - "I'm a retired epidemiologist from Leicester". [Post edited 7 Oct 2021 22:37]
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Really? Yet according to the latest data England had 49.7 cases per 100,000 today and Wales had 70.63 cases per 100,000.
Wales has a devolved government which removed restrictions later than the Westminster Government. Wales also has mask wearing as mandatory. How do you square that with your conclusion?
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/uk-daily-covid-cases-7day-average
Up until 2/10, just 5 days ago, Scotland had be ahead of England in cases per 100,000. Getting as high as 117.4 cases per 100,000 in early September compared with England at 45.84.
Scotland removed all restrictions a full month later than England and agin mask wearing is compulsory. Scotland has a devolved government and has a completely different Covid policy to the Westminster government. Again, can you square that circle?
Wales (devolved) and Northern Ireland (devolved) continue to have higher cases per 100,000 than England.
If you actually dig a little deeper into the data one of the reasons that the UK has a higher rate of cases is that whilst we were very successful in vaccinating the majority of older people, other European countries have been more successful at encouraging take up among younger age groups. To that end, the Government should have made vaccine passports compulsory. They bowed to pressure for the right of the Tory party and dropped the idea.
In some European countries you cant even get into a restaurant or supermarket without a vaccine passport. Do we want to go down that route? That's a real ten pager there.
Scotland was due to introduce a passport last Friday but has given people 18 days grace due to a fcuk up with the launch of the app. [Post edited 7 Oct 2021 22:55]
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