Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 19:04 - Oct 6 with 1308 views | Herbivore | How out of touch and tone deaf can you get? | |
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Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 19:12 - Oct 6 with 1285 views | FPL_Tractor | If he wants to claim MPs are underpaid considering their job then there’s a case (but you know, leadership sometimes requires setting an example) but saying “I don’t know how they manage” about his colleagues is awful. | |
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Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 19:26 - Oct 6 with 1242 views | Bluedicea | Just stick the MP's on UC and then see how quickly they start to 'level up' everyone. | |
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Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 19:27 - Oct 6 with 1235 views | BlueNomad |
Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 19:12 - Oct 6 by FPL_Tractor | If he wants to claim MPs are underpaid considering their job then there’s a case (but you know, leadership sometimes requires setting an example) but saying “I don’t know how they manage” about his colleagues is awful. |
Perhaps we should have a whip round for Tom Hunt. Surely his good work deserves more…… | | | |
Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 19:57 - Oct 6 with 1185 views | Nthsuffolkblue | They have rejected pay awards for public services repeatedly over decades and have always awarded themselves whatever their pay award body recommends. Their argument is that there is no money for the public services. The electorate seemingly have been quite happy with this. | |
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Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 20:01 - Oct 6 with 1176 views | GlasgowBlue | There used to be a consensus on here, both left and right, that our MP's should be paid far more in order to attract a better quality of representative and to keep them away from having outside interests. I'm still in favour of that. | |
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Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 20:07 - Oct 6 with 1151 views | LeoMuff |
Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 20:01 - Oct 6 by GlasgowBlue | There used to be a consensus on here, both left and right, that our MP's should be paid far more in order to attract a better quality of representative and to keep them away from having outside interests. I'm still in favour of that. |
Will that actually work though ? or do we just get the same pond life just paid more and still running sidelines on the quiet | |
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Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 20:11 - Oct 6 with 1122 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 20:07 - Oct 6 by LeoMuff | Will that actually work though ? or do we just get the same pond life just paid more and still running sidelines on the quiet |
There is no "on the quiet" about it. The suggestion that increasing their pay will stop (or even reduce) the corruption (that's what it is) is clearly unfounded. If there was a reasonable increase coupled with legislation to prevent the bribery etc, yes. But it would need proper watertight legislation. | |
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Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 20:15 - Oct 6 with 1120 views | factual_blue | Point of information. Back in the day when there was a more ordered approach to Public Sector pay, the salary of an MP was tied to that of a Grade 7 (or 'Principal' as they then were). A Grade 7 salary is now around £55k. And guess which of the two is likely to have the more challenging job? | |
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Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 21:30 - Oct 6 with 1048 views | DanTheMan |
Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 20:01 - Oct 6 by GlasgowBlue | There used to be a consensus on here, both left and right, that our MP's should be paid far more in order to attract a better quality of representative and to keep them away from having outside interests. I'm still in favour of that. |
I'd be up for that with caveats about what money they can earn outside of being an MP which at the moment is far too open to abuse. However, my point was more about their comments saying: "I don’t know how they manage. It’s really grim". Which is absolutely absurd. Anyone earning 80k is going to be living fairly comfortably. | |
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Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 21:33 - Oct 6 with 1041 views | GlasgowBlue |
Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 21:30 - Oct 6 by DanTheMan | I'd be up for that with caveats about what money they can earn outside of being an MP which at the moment is far too open to abuse. However, my point was more about their comments saying: "I don’t know how they manage. It’s really grim". Which is absolutely absurd. Anyone earning 80k is going to be living fairly comfortably. |
Hookers, coke and premium rate subscription to pornography don't come cheap these days Dan. Or so I'm led to believe. | |
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Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 23:31 - Oct 6 with 948 views | BlueBadger |
Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 20:01 - Oct 6 by GlasgowBlue | There used to be a consensus on here, both left and right, that our MP's should be paid far more in order to attract a better quality of representative and to keep them away from having outside interests. I'm still in favour of that. |
There's two ways to go here: 1: Massive one-off increase BUT. No expenses. 2. No increase but better, more closely vetted expenses with things like strictly defined travel expenses and subsidised accommodation. Don't want to stay in the subbed accomodation? The find your own, at your own expense. Like any other public sector employeee. | |
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Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 23:41 - Oct 6 with 937 views | Swansea_Blue |
Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 20:01 - Oct 6 by GlasgowBlue | There used to be a consensus on here, both left and right, that our MP's should be paid far more in order to attract a better quality of representative and to keep them away from having outside interests. I'm still in favour of that. |
It wouldn’t make a difference to quality, although I do think the base salary isn’t particularly high for what they should be doing. Mind you, throw in some of the expenses and the opportunity to have external engagements and a lot do very well. I’d up the salary and stop them moonlighting. | |
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Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 09:09 - Oct 7 with 815 views | TractorWood | The salary is a bit low given the public profile, stress etc. However, as a few have mentioned the expenses remain very generous and surely boost it to £100k in the round. He shouldn't be using emotive language to describe his salary, especially at the moment. It's incredibly tone deaf. | |
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Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 10:25 - Oct 7 with 773 views | Herbivore |
Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 09:09 - Oct 7 by TractorWood | The salary is a bit low given the public profile, stress etc. However, as a few have mentioned the expenses remain very generous and surely boost it to £100k in the round. He shouldn't be using emotive language to describe his salary, especially at the moment. It's incredibly tone deaf. |
The incredibly generous expenses plus many (most?) having other sources of income or employment mean I have very little sympathy for them. It's still a very good wage for what many MPs treat as a part-time job. I wouldn't be averse to them getting a higher basic salary so long as they were barred from taking on outside employment and their expenses were curbed. | |
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Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 17:17 - Oct 7 with 677 views | Clapham_Junction |
Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 23:41 - Oct 6 by Swansea_Blue | It wouldn’t make a difference to quality, although I do think the base salary isn’t particularly high for what they should be doing. Mind you, throw in some of the expenses and the opportunity to have external engagements and a lot do very well. I’d up the salary and stop them moonlighting. |
I don't see why a pay rise would attract a better quality of representative. The vast majority of people in this country earn significantly less than £80k, so it would be a big pay rise for most people. That way of thinking seems to be based on the flawed assumption that people's ability is reflected in their income (or more specifically, by having a very high one). I don't see why MPs can't just be banned from taking on additional work, like people who have outside interests clauses in their contracts. [Post edited 7 Oct 2021 17:38]
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Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 17:40 - Oct 7 with 639 views | FPL_Tractor |
Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 17:17 - Oct 7 by Clapham_Junction | I don't see why a pay rise would attract a better quality of representative. The vast majority of people in this country earn significantly less than £80k, so it would be a big pay rise for most people. That way of thinking seems to be based on the flawed assumption that people's ability is reflected in their income (or more specifically, by having a very high one). I don't see why MPs can't just be banned from taking on additional work, like people who have outside interests clauses in their contracts. [Post edited 7 Oct 2021 17:38]
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I believe, in the long run, that higher wages would attract a less bad quality of MP because that’s how the market is supposed to work. I guess MPs, as a rather unusual job, could be an exception though. | |
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Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 17:43 - Oct 7 with 631 views | Herbivore |
Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 17:40 - Oct 7 by FPL_Tractor | I believe, in the long run, that higher wages would attract a less bad quality of MP because that’s how the market is supposed to work. I guess MPs, as a rather unusual job, could be an exception though. |
"I believe, in the long run, that higher wages would attract a less bad quality of MP because that’s how the market is supposed to work" Two words: Dido Harding. Earns a fortune, consistently a disaster. The capacity to earn vast sums of money is not always directly correlated with competence, often far from it. [Post edited 7 Oct 2021 18:28]
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Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 18:21 - Oct 7 with 579 views | HARRY10 |
Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 23:31 - Oct 6 by BlueBadger | There's two ways to go here: 1: Massive one-off increase BUT. No expenses. 2. No increase but better, more closely vetted expenses with things like strictly defined travel expenses and subsidised accommodation. Don't want to stay in the subbed accomodation? The find your own, at your own expense. Like any other public sector employeee. |
Number 1 is totally unworkable as an MP in the Scottish Highlands would have higher expenses claims than a London MP - so which one do you pitch it at ? Something worth noting here is much of this stems back to the mad woman (Thatcher), who in the late 80's increased MPs expense allowance high, with a nod and wink - not wanting to have MPs wages increased, but have it done by the back door. Unfortunately when the expenses scandal broke a few years back most misunderstood what had been happening. MPs were allowed £25,000 expense, and often there was little checking. Just chuck in receipts to that amount and we will pay up. So we had duck ponds, furniture restoration etc. The fault lay, not with those receipts/claims but the unspoken acceptance that the £25,000 was a right, not an amount that had legitimately been spent on constituency work. Much as with the switching of house, where the real money was made. Again it was regarded s an accepted perk. Perhaps MPs should be paid a higher wage. But this clueless cretin has done that cause no favours with his absurd bleat. Both houses do a good job - though the upper house could do with trimming down considerably, given much of their work is 'glorified proof reading'. I sense that being a lord is often little more than a reward for loyal service to a party, not the constituents or the wider public. A more rigorous approach should be brought in, though there are far too many MPs who would regard that as an affront to their retirement perk. However, it comes down to most of the populace being totally ignorant of what either house do and so concern themselves with what goes on in Eastenders than Westminsters. Bread and circuses | | | |
Can we get a whip round going for the MPs? on 18:29 - Oct 7 with 565 views | Darth_Koont | To be fair, it’s not easy holding out your hand 24/7. I feel sorry for them. | |
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