| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" 11:29 - Oct 9 with 7217 views | FBI |
Is it just me? This is really starting to get on my udders now when I hear it in a podcast (for example). It's a regular feature now on KOA with Ross's 'hilarious' pronunciation app on his phone but it's happened elsewhere tooo.
He's one of our players, has been here long enough for people to have made the effort and it's not that bloody hard.
I just find it a bit, well, disrespectful, I guess to be doing that with one of our own players. |  |
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 21:31 - Oct 9 with 1569 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 17:47 - Oct 9 by Bluedicea |
Not always. Some people can roll 'R's, others can't. Some languages need you to be able to roll an R to pronounce something, those that are physically incapable of it always get persecuted for not being able to speak properly.
Occasionally, yes it is just done for humorous effects. But again, it's worldwide. Many people in other countries mock how the English talk, just as we do.
Your problem is the same as most others, you have no experience of other cultures, except what you see in the news, so you wrongly assume we are worse at it than others.
Ignorance of how other cultures work is the main driver for those who constantly criticise how we operate culturally in this country, they have zero experience or knowledge but just want to get angry over something. |
I believe you are overthinking this. I would also disagree with your contention that other countries mock how the English talk because invariably English is spoken to the foreigner. The empire legacy makes English people ( in general ) expect the world to speak English and not make an effort to learn difficult foreign words. This is clearly a lazy effort and cannot be excused by Dyslexia because you may have difficulty reading words but perfectly capable of learning them.
Obvious conclusion is that it is an attempt at being funny. |  | | |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 21:39 - Oct 9 with 1559 views | Kieran_Knows |
KOA is a seriously hard listen with that Ross and Mark Heath on it.
Wish it was just Watson and Warren, I’d listen to it a far lot more. |  |
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 22:01 - Oct 9 with 1519 views | Bluedicea |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 18:40 - Oct 9 by Skip_Intro |
Who mentioned disabled people? Will you be comparing me to Hitler next?
The thread is about people (often deliberately) mispronouncing names despite being told time and again how to pronounce them.
Neither me nor anyone else in this thread has suggested that they are better than anyone else. I'm merely suggesting that deliberately mispronouncing someone else's name is rude and disrespectful.
I suggest you go and find something else to trigger you as you're going on my div list now - I can't tolerate woke trolls. |
I mentioned disabilities because that's the main reason people are unable to pronounce certain words. Some people were born with cleft lips, they struggle to pronounce certain sounds. In your book they have no manners, in mine they are just individuals who are different. People who have larger tongues than others, or have smaller tendons under the tongue struggle to pronounce certain words, again you have said all of them have no manners but you do.
You are elitist, judgemental of others that are different.
Me 'woke' really. Only last week I was being branded as a right wing rascist, by some folks here.
I believe in being better, treating everyone with respect, regardless of their views, colour, age, sex, etc. I don't judge a person because they cannot pronounce something the way I pronounce it.
Just because I've called out your hypocrisy, you turn to insults and misdirection to try to make yourself look better. You aren't inclusive of people, you judge and condemn them for not being the same as you. Learn some humility, some ethics and morals and you will become a better version of yourself. |  |
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 22:20 - Oct 9 with 1507 views | Bluedicea |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 21:31 - Oct 9 by Eireannach_gorm |
I believe you are overthinking this. I would also disagree with your contention that other countries mock how the English talk because invariably English is spoken to the foreigner. The empire legacy makes English people ( in general ) expect the world to speak English and not make an effort to learn difficult foreign words. This is clearly a lazy effort and cannot be excused by Dyslexia because you may have difficulty reading words but perfectly capable of learning them.
Obvious conclusion is that it is an attempt at being funny. |
You should watch more "world television" or read literature from other countries. We are constantly mocked by the French, Germans Japanese, Chinese etc. for the way we talk and pronounce things.
There are thousands of disabilities that can affect speech, Dyslexia isn't one of them. Are you that ignorant of disabled people that you don't know there are people with speech impediments. You singled out dyslexia to try to make it seem like people are doing it deliberately and there aren't other reasons. That is just disingenuous, trying to push an agenda for your own personal gratification.
You obviously, like most, live in a insular bubble, who only experiences different cultures when it's highlighted by the media.
English is the most versatile language, which is why it is used internationally in many important areas as voted on by the UN, repeatedly. This isn't down to the 'empire', it's because English is a bar steward language, it's made up of dozens of different languages and words borrowed. The syntax isn't as reliant on distinction between the sexes, when speaking, which most other languages in the world are and that's what makes them more challenging to learn than English.
The English language has over 1 million words, most other languages only have 250,000 and adding new words is harder than it is in English because of the different gender syntaxs. It's the most widely understood language, 3 rd most spoken and 2nd most spoken second/third language spoken. | |
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 23:51 - Oct 9 with 1491 views | Sarge |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 22:01 - Oct 9 by Bluedicea |
I mentioned disabilities because that's the main reason people are unable to pronounce certain words. Some people were born with cleft lips, they struggle to pronounce certain sounds. In your book they have no manners, in mine they are just individuals who are different. People who have larger tongues than others, or have smaller tendons under the tongue struggle to pronounce certain words, again you have said all of them have no manners but you do.
You are elitist, judgemental of others that are different.
Me 'woke' really. Only last week I was being branded as a right wing rascist, by some folks here.
I believe in being better, treating everyone with respect, regardless of their views, colour, age, sex, etc. I don't judge a person because they cannot pronounce something the way I pronounce it.
Just because I've called out your hypocrisy, you turn to insults and misdirection to try to make yourself look better. You aren't inclusive of people, you judge and condemn them for not being the same as you. Learn some humility, some ethics and morals and you will become a better version of yourself. |
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 02:00 - Oct 10 with 1464 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 22:20 - Oct 9 by Bluedicea |
You should watch more "world television" or read literature from other countries. We are constantly mocked by the French, Germans Japanese, Chinese etc. for the way we talk and pronounce things.
There are thousands of disabilities that can affect speech, Dyslexia isn't one of them. Are you that ignorant of disabled people that you don't know there are people with speech impediments. You singled out dyslexia to try to make it seem like people are doing it deliberately and there aren't other reasons. That is just disingenuous, trying to push an agenda for your own personal gratification.
You obviously, like most, live in a insular bubble, who only experiences different cultures when it's highlighted by the media.
English is the most versatile language, which is why it is used internationally in many important areas as voted on by the UN, repeatedly. This isn't down to the 'empire', it's because English is a bar steward language, it's made up of dozens of different languages and words borrowed. The syntax isn't as reliant on distinction between the sexes, when speaking, which most other languages in the world are and that's what makes them more challenging to learn than English.
The English language has over 1 million words, most other languages only have 250,000 and adding new words is harder than it is in English because of the different gender syntaxs. It's the most widely understood language, 3 rd most spoken and 2nd most spoken second/third language spoken. |
I don't particularly appreciate your lecture on the English language.You are mocked by other countries for that very type of attitude to language.
I only mentioned Dyslexia because it was mentioned as a reason for not being to say a foreign name. Are suggesting this person has a speech problem? The only agenda here seems to be coming from you. You have made a very big assumption about me based on very little knowledge. Based on your reply to me I can only conclude that you have bit of a chip on your shoulder regarding this matter.
I don't live in a bubble but I do live in a different country to you. I have experience of many cultures and my views are based on this.
I totally stand by empire statement. This is a list of the number of people who speak the various languages of the world. Based on that we should be able to speak Chinese.
Mandarin Chinese (908.7 million)
Spanish (442.3 million)
English (378.2 million)
Hindi-Urdu (329.1 million)
Arabic (290 million)
Bengali (242.6 million)
Portuguese (222.7 million)
Russian (153.9 million)
Japanese (128.2 million)
Western Punjabi (119 million)
However this is a list of the number of countries that speak a given language.
English (59)
French (29)
Arabic (26)
Spanish (21)
Portuguese (9)
All colonist languages. I won't bother to get into how the various languages evolved because it is of no relevance to this thread.
I also stand by my assertion that you are overthinking this and maybe you do with popping out of your bubble. You have given us a long thesis on what was actually a lazy smart alec comment on someones name.
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 03:56 - Oct 10 with 1433 views | Bluedicea |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 02:00 - Oct 10 by Eireannach_gorm |
I don't particularly appreciate your lecture on the English language.You are mocked by other countries for that very type of attitude to language.
I only mentioned Dyslexia because it was mentioned as a reason for not being to say a foreign name. Are suggesting this person has a speech problem? The only agenda here seems to be coming from you. You have made a very big assumption about me based on very little knowledge. Based on your reply to me I can only conclude that you have bit of a chip on your shoulder regarding this matter.
I don't live in a bubble but I do live in a different country to you. I have experience of many cultures and my views are based on this.
I totally stand by empire statement. This is a list of the number of people who speak the various languages of the world. Based on that we should be able to speak Chinese.
Mandarin Chinese (908.7 million)
Spanish (442.3 million)
English (378.2 million)
Hindi-Urdu (329.1 million)
Arabic (290 million)
Bengali (242.6 million)
Portuguese (222.7 million)
Russian (153.9 million)
Japanese (128.2 million)
Western Punjabi (119 million)
However this is a list of the number of countries that speak a given language.
English (59)
French (29)
Arabic (26)
Spanish (21)
Portuguese (9)
All colonist languages. I won't bother to get into how the various languages evolved because it is of no relevance to this thread.
I also stand by my assertion that you are overthinking this and maybe you do with popping out of your bubble. You have given us a long thesis on what was actually a lazy smart alec comment on someones name.
OÃche mhaith duit. |
Well seeing as I learned English as a second language, mostly, Swahili first. I can actually see the benefits of the language from an outside perspective.
As I stated Dyslexia has nothing to do with speech issues, only ignorant people would think it did. Dyslexia is the inability to process written information in the same way as others do, so the letters appear jumbled up.
Yes of course I have an issue with it and so should anyone who has a heart and cares about other people, especially those who struggle with every day things. Abusing someone just because they are different and can't do something the same as you is wrong on every level.
Every single day I hear about people being abusive towards disabled people, children and foreign language speakers that I work with because they struggle to pronounce words in certain ways, which you are saying is fine, I disagree.
That you seem to think it's ok to be abusive towards others because they aren'tbas able as others, shows what kind of person you are.
If what you said about it only being because of them being colonies, is really true, the many languages of china wouldn't exist, nor would Swahili or hundreds of other languages. Most of the 59 countries that speak English, chose to use English by their own independent governments. It wasn't imposed on them. And the fact you don't know or understand that history shows your complete lack of knowledge about the subject. [Post edited 10 Oct 2021 4:00]
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 23:48 - Oct 10 with 1365 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 03:56 - Oct 10 by Bluedicea |
Well seeing as I learned English as a second language, mostly, Swahili first. I can actually see the benefits of the language from an outside perspective.
As I stated Dyslexia has nothing to do with speech issues, only ignorant people would think it did. Dyslexia is the inability to process written information in the same way as others do, so the letters appear jumbled up.
Yes of course I have an issue with it and so should anyone who has a heart and cares about other people, especially those who struggle with every day things. Abusing someone just because they are different and can't do something the same as you is wrong on every level.
Every single day I hear about people being abusive towards disabled people, children and foreign language speakers that I work with because they struggle to pronounce words in certain ways, which you are saying is fine, I disagree.
That you seem to think it's ok to be abusive towards others because they aren'tbas able as others, shows what kind of person you are.
If what you said about it only being because of them being colonies, is really true, the many languages of china wouldn't exist, nor would Swahili or hundreds of other languages. Most of the 59 countries that speak English, chose to use English by their own independent governments. It wasn't imposed on them. And the fact you don't know or understand that history shows your complete lack of knowledge about the subject. [Post edited 10 Oct 2021 4:00]
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Great stuff, that means both of us swapped our native language for English. I don't know why you did but I know why the Irish language died out in my country. The outside perspective is that to get on in the world you had to use English not because it was an amazing language.
I am not sure why you are fixated on Dyslexia. I mentioned it because it was used as an explanation for not being able to pronounce someones name. I am more than aware of the difficulties that people who have Dyslexia have as I work in an Art college. I have probably met and dealt with people who have Dyslexia than you will ever meet. I appreciate your insight though but not your insult.
Where did I say abusing people because they cant speak properly is fine? You seem to be deliberately arguing and insulting me because of something I didn't actually say. I was addressing the OP which you singularly failed to do and chose to pick a fight with me on a different subject. You are all over the shop here but I wont resort to insulting you.
Stop with the bulsh1t about me putting people down about speaking English. Just to repeat what I said was the person 'couldn't' say the foreign persons name was because of laziness and trying to be funny not because they had difficulty with the English language.
Just for your information I am very aware of Irish history and why English is the main language.and I am quite certain that you are ignorant of that. I would also like to point out that most of those colonised countries had their native languages pushed out because business was done in the colonist language or it was the language of education.
So do you have any thoughts on the OP or are you going to continue your strange vendetta against me. I dont really want to engage with more of your stupidity so your on ignore now
Slán agus beannacht. | | | |
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 00:19 - Oct 11 with 1331 views | Bluedicea |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 23:48 - Oct 10 by Eireannach_gorm |
Great stuff, that means both of us swapped our native language for English. I don't know why you did but I know why the Irish language died out in my country. The outside perspective is that to get on in the world you had to use English not because it was an amazing language.
I am not sure why you are fixated on Dyslexia. I mentioned it because it was used as an explanation for not being able to pronounce someones name. I am more than aware of the difficulties that people who have Dyslexia have as I work in an Art college. I have probably met and dealt with people who have Dyslexia than you will ever meet. I appreciate your insight though but not your insult.
Where did I say abusing people because they cant speak properly is fine? You seem to be deliberately arguing and insulting me because of something I didn't actually say. I was addressing the OP which you singularly failed to do and chose to pick a fight with me on a different subject. You are all over the shop here but I wont resort to insulting you.
Stop with the bulsh1t about me putting people down about speaking English. Just to repeat what I said was the person 'couldn't' say the foreign persons name was because of laziness and trying to be funny not because they had difficulty with the English language.
Just for your information I am very aware of Irish history and why English is the main language.and I am quite certain that you are ignorant of that. I would also like to point out that most of those colonised countries had their native languages pushed out because business was done in the colonist language or it was the language of education.
So do you have any thoughts on the OP or are you going to continue your strange vendetta against me. I dont really want to engage with more of your stupidity so your on ignore now
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I think over several posts I answered the OP. To clarify, just for you, you should attempt to pronounce a name correctly, but you should never mock or persecute a person that isn't able to.
Does that help?
Ireland is slightly different to the other countries in the language debate, mostly due to the length of occupation and it's proximity.
Yes, due to the British Navy most ports around the world had people who spoke English as it helped with trade. Before 1800 it was French that was the 'lingua Franca' of trade in most countries, but due to Britain becoming the dominant nation in the European conflict, trade languages and deals tended to occur more in English.
Wealthy foreigners, dignitaries and leaders, saw the opportunity and started to speak English, similar to our aristocracy learning French in the centuries before, as another way to stay above the commoners.
It happens all over the world, some new fad or exotic thing, is appealing to have especially as it's not common yet.
If the invention of radio and television hadn't happened when it did, there would probably be another Lingua franca, instead of English. We were just holding the parcel when the music stopped and the world became truly global in communication. Before English, the Lingua Franca spoken was Aramaic, then Latin, then Portugese, then Spanish, then French. It's just how it evolves, trade relies on two parties being able to communicate, so they select a common language, that changes over time due to many factors not only because of them having an empire as often the language was in use for several decades before anyone from that particular Empire reached their shores. | |
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 09:08 - Oct 11 with 1300 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 21:39 - Oct 9 by Kieran_Knows |
KOA is a seriously hard listen with that Ross and Mark Heath on it.
Wish it was just Watson and Warren, I’d listen to it a far lot more. |
This. Mark seems to try to crack way too many jokes. Stu and Andy's bits are the only bits I pay attention to really, just proper football journalist chat |  | | |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 10:24 - Oct 11 with 1260 views | FBI |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 09:08 - Oct 11 by abracaDOBRA_ |
This. Mark seems to try to crack way too many jokes. Stu and Andy's bits are the only bits I pay attention to really, just proper football journalist chat |
I don't mind Ross; he's a nice lad in real life but gets shunted to the side in the main podcasts. Mark's bits are getting worse, mind you.
But i do find the 'can't pronounce funny foreign names' schtick distateful. | |
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 10:40 - Oct 11 with 1245 views | PhilTWTD |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 17:57 - Oct 9 by Bluedicea |
Reuser, depending on the area within a county or the county itself can be pronounced in several different ways.
Roysir, Roysur, Racer, Reeser, Roys'r....... and several more are different ways people have of saying the surname depending on where they grew up.
Some people understand this and don't get indignant about it. Others use it as a weapon to attack people because they need to be seen as being culturally 'better' than others. |
If I remember rightly, the pronunciation instruction came from an Amsterdam-based friend of mine at the time. I used Rolls Reuser in my Star column the Monday after he scored on his debut against Fulham and MR picked it up from there. My greatest contribution to ITFC history. One of my friends has one of the shirts which he swapped with one of MR's relatives at Hollywood's during the post-match celebrations. |  | | |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 10:43 - Oct 11 with 1226 views | hype313 |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 17:37 - Oct 9 by Skip_Intro |
see also Mike 'the big porker' Bacon - seems to believe his own hype and has gone from being sometimes insightful and mildy amusing to cringeworthy very quickly |
Yeah, he's painful, again I'm sure he's a nice bloke but can't listen to him droning on. |  |
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 10:50 - Oct 11 with 1215 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 20:52 - Oct 9 by ElderGrizzly |
Mick would have given him a ‘hilarious’ nickname by now.
I’m going for Daks |
Daksy, surely? |  |
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 10:56 - Oct 11 with 1201 views | positivity |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 10:50 - Oct 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Daksy, surely? |
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 11:09 - Oct 11 with 1177 views | Radlett_blue |
Americans wanted to call Severiano Ballesteros "Steve" & changed Tsuneyuki Nakajima to "Tommy". The announcers also used to really annoy Colin Montgomerie by introducing him as COE-LIN! |  |
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 11:10 - Oct 11 with 1175 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 10:24 - Oct 11 by FBI |
I don't mind Ross; he's a nice lad in real life but gets shunted to the side in the main podcasts. Mark's bits are getting worse, mind you.
But i do find the 'can't pronounce funny foreign names' schtick distateful. |
He's a nice guy and I enjoy his game day stuff, I really struggle to listen to Mark, but again, sure hes a decent chap | | | |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 11:52 - Oct 11 with 1143 views | franz_tyson |
They’re all pretty decent guys on KOA. If you don’t like a segment - then FF. I find “The Strike” a bit boring so don’t listen to it. It’s a free podcast and they’re all doing it outside their usual job roles. You could always leave a comment on YouTube if you feel upset about anything or send them an email. Must be difficult to keep everyone happy, especially when some prefer to get insulted and make comments about them on here. Think there’s zero intent to insult anyone. | | | |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 12:21 - Oct 11 with 1112 views | FBI |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 11:52 - Oct 11 by franz_tyson |
They’re all pretty decent guys on KOA. If you don’t like a segment - then FF. I find “The Strike” a bit boring so don’t listen to it. It’s a free podcast and they’re all doing it outside their usual job roles. You could always leave a comment on YouTube if you feel upset about anything or send them an email. Must be difficult to keep everyone happy, especially when some prefer to get insulted and make comments about them on here. Think there’s zero intent to insult anyone. |
Yeah, I tend to agree, although your last line's a bit of a stretch. I simply said I found it a bit disrespectful. | |
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 13:01 - Oct 11 with 1054 views | TrumptonBlue |
I've been revisiting a lot of late 80s / early 90s Town footage recently and it's astonishing how many commentators decided "Kiwomya" looked too difficult and so couldn't be bothered to pronounce it correctly even though it's pronounced exactly as it's spelt. So many Kowamis it's ridiculous. |  | | |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 14:42 - Oct 11 with 1004 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 03:56 - Oct 10 by Bluedicea |
Well seeing as I learned English as a second language, mostly, Swahili first. I can actually see the benefits of the language from an outside perspective.
As I stated Dyslexia has nothing to do with speech issues, only ignorant people would think it did. Dyslexia is the inability to process written information in the same way as others do, so the letters appear jumbled up.
Yes of course I have an issue with it and so should anyone who has a heart and cares about other people, especially those who struggle with every day things. Abusing someone just because they are different and can't do something the same as you is wrong on every level.
Every single day I hear about people being abusive towards disabled people, children and foreign language speakers that I work with because they struggle to pronounce words in certain ways, which you are saying is fine, I disagree.
That you seem to think it's ok to be abusive towards others because they aren'tbas able as others, shows what kind of person you are.
If what you said about it only being because of them being colonies, is really true, the many languages of china wouldn't exist, nor would Swahili or hundreds of other languages. Most of the 59 countries that speak English, chose to use English by their own independent governments. It wasn't imposed on them. And the fact you don't know or understand that history shows your complete lack of knowledge about the subject. [Post edited 10 Oct 2021 4:00]
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FFS, no-one is abusing disabled people. |  |
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 14:45 - Oct 11 with 997 views | chicoazul |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 10:40 - Oct 11 by PhilTWTD |
If I remember rightly, the pronunciation instruction came from an Amsterdam-based friend of mine at the time. I used Rolls Reuser in my Star column the Monday after he scored on his debut against Fulham and MR picked it up from there. My greatest contribution to ITFC history. One of my friends has one of the shirts which he swapped with one of MR's relatives at Hollywood's during the post-match celebrations. |
“How do I pronounce your name please..?”
“Mar-tin” |  |
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 14:59 - Oct 11 with 968 views | Steve_M |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 13:01 - Oct 11 by TrumptonBlue |
I've been revisiting a lot of late 80s / early 90s Town footage recently and it's astonishing how many commentators decided "Kiwomya" looked too difficult and so couldn't be bothered to pronounce it correctly even though it's pronounced exactly as it's spelt. So many Kowamis it's ridiculous. |
A particular highlight of the 91-92 is the myriad pronunciations of his name.
Then again some of our fans have struggled with far simpler names.... |  |
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| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 15:10 - Oct 11 with 959 views | PhilTWTD |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 14:59 - Oct 11 by Steve_M |
A particular highlight of the 91-92 is the myriad pronunciations of his name.
Then again some of our fans have struggled with far simpler names.... |
The pronunciation of Bontcho was always a highlight as well, and often the spelling in programmes. I can remember a Bentcho somewhere. | | | |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 15:51 - Oct 11 with 901 views | Parsley |
| "Haladaky or however you pronounce it" on 15:10 - Oct 11 by PhilTWTD |
The pronunciation of Bontcho was always a highlight as well, and often the spelling in programmes. I can remember a Bentcho somewhere. |
Presumably when he was a substitute? |  | | |
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