| Peter Reid... 18:37 - Oct 11 with 6819 views | OriginalMarkyP |
...we are becoming Everpool FC.
Joking aside. I am slightly concerned.
Cook repeatedly says he doesnt need a number 2.
Then goes and gets Reid, Oh but he's an advisor, not a number 2.
Cook never criticises his own players.
Then proceeds to do it all the time.
Cook says he wants a tight knit little squad.
Then he goes and gets virtually the biggest most expensive squad in league one.
I like Cook, but he is all over the place. [Post edited 11 Oct 2021 18:38]
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| Peter Reid... on 15:15 - Oct 12 with 873 views | itfcjoe |
| Peter Reid... on 15:06 - Oct 12 by Pinewoodblue |
Could be that PC is more likely to respect advice from Peter Reid than from Butcher, Mills etc.
Hope KD retains a role and will, at some stage, manage Town. Would have preferred him to be appointed instead of PC. The more actively KD is engaged with first team matters the better. |
Reid is a PC appointment, no doubt on that - just think the club hierarchy need to do more with our legends more generally, not appoint them over PCs head |  |
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| Peter Reid... on 15:45 - Oct 12 with 826 views | Iwasthere |
| Peter Reid... on 15:15 - Oct 12 by itfcjoe |
Reid is a PC appointment, no doubt on that - just think the club hierarchy need to do more with our legends more generally, not appoint them over PCs head |
Joe, didn't Lambert, when first appointed, try this tact inviting them to lunches etc .Wark, Mills and Burley have been ambassadors in the past. Not sure whether sentiment plays too much of a part in clubs these days. |  | | |
| Peter Reid... on 16:09 - Oct 12 with 783 views | Churchman |
| Peter Reid... on 10:26 - Oct 12 by trncbluearmy |
Really do not get all this out of the game theory
When you have been at the level GB has been you don't just forget everything, your contacts don't just disappear your knowledge and experience does not mysteriously disappear
As a tech director would have GB back in a heartbeat,
He's miles ahead of Reid in what he could offer to the club |
Reid has worked with Cook before so knows it works. I suppose if there is a role for him and it fits with the club structure, fine. Sentiment says I would prefer it to be GB, but given his links to the club, maybe that would have undermined Cook rather than support him.
One former player I would have back at the club is Simon Milton. Reading/listening to what people had to say about him, including Chambers, he was clearly a massive asset to the club. Shame slippery Evans couldn’t see it. |  | | |
| Peter Reid... on 16:21 - Oct 12 with 773 views | itfcjoe |
| Peter Reid... on 15:45 - Oct 12 by Iwasthere |
Joe, didn't Lambert, when first appointed, try this tact inviting them to lunches etc .Wark, Mills and Burley have been ambassadors in the past. Not sure whether sentiment plays too much of a part in clubs these days. |
I'm talking more with regards to the running of the club, for the powers that be to recognise that these highly decorated football figures, with years of experience in the game and bleed blue and white have some knowledge that needs to be harnessed while it is still there | |
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| Peter Reid... on 16:24 - Oct 12 with 766 views | Coastalblue |
| Peter Reid... on 16:21 - Oct 12 by itfcjoe |
I'm talking more with regards to the running of the club, for the powers that be to recognise that these highly decorated football figures, with years of experience in the game and bleed blue and white have some knowledge that needs to be harnessed while it is still there |
It seems almost unsightly really that a club with a number of England Captains and Managers in living memory find themselves in the third division.
How the feck did that ever happen? |  |
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| Peter Reid... on 16:45 - Oct 12 with 757 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Peter Reid... on 11:33 - Oct 12 by itfcjoe |
I'm not necessarily saying they should be involved in the management of the football team, but there should be a way to find use of former England captains that love the club and are here nearly every home game. |
Out of interest Joe, what kind of role do you think the club should use our 'legends' in?
I hear so many people say that KD should be groomed as a future manager, but I fail to see what he has done to warrant that level of praise at this point in his career. Bryan Kidd was an amazing assistant manager, and coach, but he was a god awful manager.
If KD goes off and proves himself elsewhere, so be it, but even then I personally don't want to see a legend become a hate figure in some quarters if things don't quite work out.
So what are we left with, coaching? Coaches will have to adapt to and embrace the 'Paul Cook Way' not all coaches and certainly former players will do that, you only needed to listen to Mick Mills prior to kick off Sunday, who was utterly utterly negative until our dominance in the first 23 started to take shape. Then what? Player Liaison? Ambassadorial Roles? They don't exactly sound like the sort of places legends would want to hang about in do they?
As a club, we are, and have always looked backwards, there's nothing wrong with that, there is much to be celebrated, but we can't let the past influence our decision making and I think it's time to stop we have to start looking forward and transforming this club, because the last 14 years have been a disaster, not only for our future, but for our past too.
Would I like to see a former club captain take over LO'N's job, yes, of course, but its not going to happen and I rather think under the current ownership, we might well see a scaling back of the academy, hence Butchers exit. |  |
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| Peter Reid... on 17:12 - Oct 12 with 741 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Peter Reid... on 10:57 - Oct 12 by trncbluearmy |
Not sure about that,
there is certainly a place for GB and it would be real shame if Reid because he's a mate/scouse, got a job GB would be well suited for.
Of the others TB and MM have both struggled as managers,have any of the others shown any real desire to get involved?
Would certainly find a senior role for Simon Milton if he was willing to give up his full time charity work and of course KD is a manager in waiting and should now be Cook's 2ic |
Can we put to bed this silly idea that ITFC are appointing people "because they're scousers"?
Reid is very experienced, and did the same role with Cook at Wigan. I doubt there's much more to it than that! I'd love Burley involved as much as the next man, but it makes sense for Cook to appoint someone he knows and trusts, rather than someone he's probably not even met but just happens to be a club legend. |  |
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| Peter Reid... on 17:16 - Oct 12 with 738 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Peter Reid... on 12:35 - Oct 12 by istanblue |
Never found Peter Reid insightful or particularly knowledgeable whenever I've listened to him. Smacks of just another of PC's gis a job scouse mates. |
If Cook wants to succeed, which he surely does, he's going to appoint people to help him do that. It makes absolutely no sense to appoint people without insight or knowledge. | |
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| Peter Reid... on 12:19 - Oct 13 with 609 views | itfcjoe |
| Peter Reid... on 16:45 - Oct 12 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Out of interest Joe, what kind of role do you think the club should use our 'legends' in?
I hear so many people say that KD should be groomed as a future manager, but I fail to see what he has done to warrant that level of praise at this point in his career. Bryan Kidd was an amazing assistant manager, and coach, but he was a god awful manager.
If KD goes off and proves himself elsewhere, so be it, but even then I personally don't want to see a legend become a hate figure in some quarters if things don't quite work out.
So what are we left with, coaching? Coaches will have to adapt to and embrace the 'Paul Cook Way' not all coaches and certainly former players will do that, you only needed to listen to Mick Mills prior to kick off Sunday, who was utterly utterly negative until our dominance in the first 23 started to take shape. Then what? Player Liaison? Ambassadorial Roles? They don't exactly sound like the sort of places legends would want to hang about in do they?
As a club, we are, and have always looked backwards, there's nothing wrong with that, there is much to be celebrated, but we can't let the past influence our decision making and I think it's time to stop we have to start looking forward and transforming this club, because the last 14 years have been a disaster, not only for our future, but for our past too.
Would I like to see a former club captain take over LO'N's job, yes, of course, but its not going to happen and I rather think under the current ownership, we might well see a scaling back of the academy, hence Butchers exit. |
I haven't got exact ones lined up for everyone, but in reality some of the jobs spoken about should be picked up like that - and it doesn't need to be the grade A legends that do them.
Simon Milton was player liason officer amongst other things, no one has a bad word to say about him but yet his job wasn't retained. Alan Lee similar in that sphere with regards to academy sponsorship alongside is U18s role, again that job just goes.
Listen to ow Kieron Dyer spoke about Terry Butcher last year, and we can't find a job for him in the academy? As a coaching mentor, or similar. We let players like Luke CHambers and Cole Skuse walk out the door in the summer when they should have been groomed for off field roles.
Mick Mills has seemingly very little to do with the club, he must have some value in imparting leadership skills into certain areas of the club. John Wark does abit on matchday, but it does feel as though these guys are under utilised......they should be ambassadors, representatives in the community, and on the payroll helping us out there. Imagine in the Community Trust if you can get former England captains to come and oversee the odd session. We send academy sponsors as representatives of the club to boardrooms around the country, rather than these guys.
It's not about overhauling the coaching team and sticking our guys in there, that's not fair on Cook and not the right thing to do - but long term we should be looking to put pathways in so that our coaches don't hit the glass ceiling in the academy. Liam Manning doing well at MK, alongside Chris Hogg and David Wright - all coaches who had to leave to further careers.
In an ideal world, you strive for the club to be self sustatining with staff, for those in the leadership roles in the club to have plans in place internally with regards to our coach development and manager development - not for things to just come pver the top of them.
If we want Kieron Dyer to be the next Ipswich manager - then what does he need to do? Simply saying go elsewhere and prove himself isn't good enough - if he gets a job elsewhere it becomes incredibly unlikely he ever manages us as timelines don't cross and he has to be at exactly the right level etc. What do we need to do to get him ready? Plenty of other clubs change managers and the U23s manager is usually in the running - especially in the division we are now in - someone who knows the club.
There's not easy answers, and it certainly isn't me advocating enforcing them on Paul Cook - that ship has sailed and he now has to livea dnd ie by his own decisions, but most of the 62 team have dies, a couple of the Robson era have done so now, we need to utilise all this knowledge and goodwill from when we were one of the finest teams in Europe before it is too late. To dare to dream. I'd give all the loacl ones a contract for life (Butcher, Osman, Mills, Wark) and find ways to use them - the cost per year in footballing terms would be tiny - £2-3k a week in total | |
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| Peter Reid... on 12:59 - Oct 13 with 565 views | Iwasthere |
Thanks for that heartfelt post Joe.
Unfortunately it's not just our club that appears to discard their old stars. How many ex Man Utd or Liverpool ex players are on their payrolls? Recently Jimmy Greaves passed away and only then did Tottenham give him the recognition his service deserved. Paul Merson continually struggles with his mental health. Are Arsenal helping to support him could they employ him? Kevin Beattie had problems after finishing his playing career.
Ex players have to add value to the club and not by just being there. They need to want to contribute by hard work, new ideas and dedication and not being employed by reputation.
Maybe the players you mention could be employed, but Ipswich, like all football clubs, is a business and not a charity. | | | |
| Peter Reid... on 13:56 - Oct 13 with 537 views | Churchman |
| Peter Reid... on 12:19 - Oct 13 by itfcjoe |
I haven't got exact ones lined up for everyone, but in reality some of the jobs spoken about should be picked up like that - and it doesn't need to be the grade A legends that do them.
Simon Milton was player liason officer amongst other things, no one has a bad word to say about him but yet his job wasn't retained. Alan Lee similar in that sphere with regards to academy sponsorship alongside is U18s role, again that job just goes.
Listen to ow Kieron Dyer spoke about Terry Butcher last year, and we can't find a job for him in the academy? As a coaching mentor, or similar. We let players like Luke CHambers and Cole Skuse walk out the door in the summer when they should have been groomed for off field roles.
Mick Mills has seemingly very little to do with the club, he must have some value in imparting leadership skills into certain areas of the club. John Wark does abit on matchday, but it does feel as though these guys are under utilised......they should be ambassadors, representatives in the community, and on the payroll helping us out there. Imagine in the Community Trust if you can get former England captains to come and oversee the odd session. We send academy sponsors as representatives of the club to boardrooms around the country, rather than these guys.
It's not about overhauling the coaching team and sticking our guys in there, that's not fair on Cook and not the right thing to do - but long term we should be looking to put pathways in so that our coaches don't hit the glass ceiling in the academy. Liam Manning doing well at MK, alongside Chris Hogg and David Wright - all coaches who had to leave to further careers.
In an ideal world, you strive for the club to be self sustatining with staff, for those in the leadership roles in the club to have plans in place internally with regards to our coach development and manager development - not for things to just come pver the top of them.
If we want Kieron Dyer to be the next Ipswich manager - then what does he need to do? Simply saying go elsewhere and prove himself isn't good enough - if he gets a job elsewhere it becomes incredibly unlikely he ever manages us as timelines don't cross and he has to be at exactly the right level etc. What do we need to do to get him ready? Plenty of other clubs change managers and the U23s manager is usually in the running - especially in the division we are now in - someone who knows the club.
There's not easy answers, and it certainly isn't me advocating enforcing them on Paul Cook - that ship has sailed and he now has to livea dnd ie by his own decisions, but most of the 62 team have dies, a couple of the Robson era have done so now, we need to utilise all this knowledge and goodwill from when we were one of the finest teams in Europe before it is too late. To dare to dream. I'd give all the loacl ones a contract for life (Butcher, Osman, Mills, Wark) and find ways to use them - the cost per year in footballing terms would be tiny - £2-3k a week in total |
Interesting post, Joe. I think it wise to not mix the previous regime with the current one. By that I mean binning Milton (stupid decision) and basically hollowing out the club was very much Evans. Not retaining Butcher, Skuse and Chambers was very much the new regime.
With Butcher, I’m not surprised he went. I got the impression in KDs interview he was nervous about Butcher helping out initially in that where did it leave him? Thanks to both of them it worked ok and was a godsend in that the U23s could have any number of players on any given day - Lambert chaos. When the new regime with new structures arrived, I wasn’t surprised TBs temporary part time role was ended.
I know you won’t agree, but I think it was time for Skuse and Chambers to move on. I’d like to think that it was done in such a way that they might return in the future - but it doesn’t sound like their exit was handled too well so maybe that ship has sailed.
Where I agree is in having a structure that allows people to progress through the club if they wish to and are capable. I hope as the new club settles down i would love to see that sort of thing happen in the future. I’m all for involvement of former players too - if they have something to offer.
Regardless, I’d love to see former players better looked after by their clubs and if people like Mills and co want to do things like ambassadorial roles etc, great. The club needs to reach out into its community as much as it possibly can. This is something the owners have talked about and I really hope they’re serious about it. | | | |
| Peter Reid... on 14:18 - Oct 13 with 523 views | itfcjoe |
| Peter Reid... on 13:56 - Oct 13 by Churchman |
Interesting post, Joe. I think it wise to not mix the previous regime with the current one. By that I mean binning Milton (stupid decision) and basically hollowing out the club was very much Evans. Not retaining Butcher, Skuse and Chambers was very much the new regime.
With Butcher, I’m not surprised he went. I got the impression in KDs interview he was nervous about Butcher helping out initially in that where did it leave him? Thanks to both of them it worked ok and was a godsend in that the U23s could have any number of players on any given day - Lambert chaos. When the new regime with new structures arrived, I wasn’t surprised TBs temporary part time role was ended.
I know you won’t agree, but I think it was time for Skuse and Chambers to move on. I’d like to think that it was done in such a way that they might return in the future - but it doesn’t sound like their exit was handled too well so maybe that ship has sailed.
Where I agree is in having a structure that allows people to progress through the club if they wish to and are capable. I hope as the new club settles down i would love to see that sort of thing happen in the future. I’m all for involvement of former players too - if they have something to offer.
Regardless, I’d love to see former players better looked after by their clubs and if people like Mills and co want to do things like ambassadorial roles etc, great. The club needs to reach out into its community as much as it possibly can. This is something the owners have talked about and I really hope they’re serious about it. |
I'm not really worried about Skuse and CHambers exits for on-field reasons, and can see why a new manager will have wanted a new slate - but that is part of where the club has gone wrong recently. The succession plan for retaining them should have been in place already. They were basically our player liason officers and there was surely a way of not letting good people and pros out of the door whilst recognising that they weren't going to play a playing role going forwards......but that has happened now and sure they will be an asset to Colchester in an overall sense.
There needs to be a way of ensuring good people stay around the club, and represent them - in the area we still have Osman, Butcher, Burley, Mills and Wark here. Whilst not realsitic to keep all of them doing things all the time - there's cler value in utilising them. Osman gave up w pretty sweet gig at Eurosport to coach our U18s previously, Butcher basically did it for nothing, Burley is still at nearly every game, as is Warky in a work capacity and Mills for Radio Suffolk.......that is hundreds of games and international caps just waiting there to be tapped into. It might not work with all of them, but in this new setup there should be room to try and make something work.
The ship seems to have sailed for Milton and Alan Lee, and maybe Cole Skuse, now who seems of a similar temperament and ability to get people to engage and be able to handle a professional job here very easily. These players don't exist in every team, it's important that the next one doesn't just come and go and is valued. | |
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| Peter Reid... on 14:22 - Oct 13 with 511 views | hype313 |
| Peter Reid... on 13:56 - Oct 13 by Churchman |
Interesting post, Joe. I think it wise to not mix the previous regime with the current one. By that I mean binning Milton (stupid decision) and basically hollowing out the club was very much Evans. Not retaining Butcher, Skuse and Chambers was very much the new regime.
With Butcher, I’m not surprised he went. I got the impression in KDs interview he was nervous about Butcher helping out initially in that where did it leave him? Thanks to both of them it worked ok and was a godsend in that the U23s could have any number of players on any given day - Lambert chaos. When the new regime with new structures arrived, I wasn’t surprised TBs temporary part time role was ended.
I know you won’t agree, but I think it was time for Skuse and Chambers to move on. I’d like to think that it was done in such a way that they might return in the future - but it doesn’t sound like their exit was handled too well so maybe that ship has sailed.
Where I agree is in having a structure that allows people to progress through the club if they wish to and are capable. I hope as the new club settles down i would love to see that sort of thing happen in the future. I’m all for involvement of former players too - if they have something to offer.
Regardless, I’d love to see former players better looked after by their clubs and if people like Mills and co want to do things like ambassadorial roles etc, great. The club needs to reach out into its community as much as it possibly can. This is something the owners have talked about and I really hope they’re serious about it. |
Was Milton binned? I was under the impression he got offered another job and accepted, and whilst exasperated with the Evans tenure, he left by his own accord. |  |
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| Peter Reid... on 14:31 - Oct 13 with 496 views | Oldboy |
| Peter Reid... on 17:12 - Oct 12 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Can we put to bed this silly idea that ITFC are appointing people "because they're scousers"?
Reid is very experienced, and did the same role with Cook at Wigan. I doubt there's much more to it than that! I'd love Burley involved as much as the next man, but it makes sense for Cook to appoint someone he knows and trusts, rather than someone he's probably not even met but just happens to be a club legend. |
When the walk out music changes to '' you'll never walk alone" or "Z Cars" , that is when you have to many Scousers. [Post edited 13 Oct 2021 14:37]
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| Peter Reid... on 15:34 - Oct 13 with 441 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Peter Reid... on 10:52 - Oct 12 by itfcjoe |
He strikes me very much as a Cook appointment, acting as a mentor or similar which is a good thing and probably needs someone he wants to do so as is common in other businesses
The technical director role will just be a job title you'd presume - but the club needs to do more around it's legends - so far all they've done in that regard is sacked Butcher! |
Does Kieron Dyer not count? Certainly not of the same status as Mills, Butcher or Wark, but he was a key figure in the early Burley years, is a local boy, has been part of football during the Sky money era, and is young enough to be able to relate to Bonne and co, whilst being old enough for them to look up to. | | | |
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