| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) 20:11 - Oct 12 with 1367 views | Bluefish |
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:15 - Oct 12 with 1346 views | Fixed_It |
At worst that is a penalty and a booking. |  |
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:17 - Oct 12 with 1327 views | ZXBlue |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:15 - Oct 12 by Fixed_It |
At worst that is a penalty and a booking. |
The bloke ducked his head, when the ball was clearly already being played.
However, it was in the box, head high boot. Dont think he touched him tbh, but the decision was correct. |  | | |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:17 - Oct 12 with 1314 views | Scuzzer |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:15 - Oct 12 by Fixed_It |
At worst that is a penalty and a booking. |
Clear as anything.
Really poor display so far. Unimpressive |  |
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:18 - Oct 12 with 1300 views | Bluefish |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:17 - Oct 12 by Scuzzer |
Clear as anything.
Really poor display so far. Unimpressive |
Clear as anything penalty? What am I reading? | |
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:19 - Oct 12 with 1301 views | strikalite |
Dunno, but this is worth watching now... |  | | |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:24 - Oct 12 with 1262 views | Garv |
On account of the fact that I don't think he touched him, it's not a penalty. Bit silly of Shaw but it's not as if the attacker got to the ball first is it?
As mentioned though, it's only a good thing for the game! |  |
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:28 - Oct 12 with 1246 views | ZXBlue |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:24 - Oct 12 by Garv |
On account of the fact that I don't think he touched him, it's not a penalty. Bit silly of Shaw but it's not as if the attacker got to the ball first is it?
As mentioned though, it's only a good thing for the game! |
Dangerous play. Head high boot. At best missed by an inch. How can it not be a foul? | | | |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:31 - Oct 12 with 1229 views | Bluefish |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:28 - Oct 12 by ZXBlue |
Dangerous play. Head high boot. At best missed by an inch. How can it not be a foul? |
Means overhead kicks are illegal and is an indirect free kick at worst still | |
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:34 - Oct 12 with 1219 views | Garv |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:28 - Oct 12 by ZXBlue |
Dangerous play. Head high boot. At best missed by an inch. How can it not be a foul? |
I think the attacker is going in there with no intention to win the ball and every intention to get a foul, so it's cheap.
I wouldn't argue that much though, can see why it's given obviously. | |
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:37 - Oct 12 with 1201 views | Plums |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:24 - Oct 12 by Garv |
On account of the fact that I don't think he touched him, it's not a penalty. Bit silly of Shaw but it's not as if the attacker got to the ball first is it?
As mentioned though, it's only a good thing for the game! |
You don’t need contact for it to be a foul |  |
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:48 - Oct 12 with 1135 views | Fixed_It |
The pundits in the studio seem to disagree with you. But one of them is Roy Keane... [Post edited 12 Oct 2021 20:49]
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:50 - Oct 12 with 1124 views | Wickets |
Indirect if no contact , penalty if there was contact . |  | | |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:57 - Oct 12 with 1101 views | ZXBlue |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:31 - Oct 12 by Bluefish |
Means overhead kicks are illegal and is an indirect free kick at worst still |
No. It doesnt. | | | |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 22:09 - Oct 12 with 1014 views | Swansea_Blue |
Harsh. I've seen players sent off for similar though, so could have been worse. |  |
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 05:59 - Oct 13 with 918 views | Bluefish |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:57 - Oct 12 by ZXBlue |
No. It doesnt. |
So what is the offence then? Break it down what he has done wrong. | |
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 08:42 - Oct 13 with 833 views | rickw |
Not for me at all.
Shaw cleared the ball and didn't touch the attacker, if I was either of them I'd just think it was a decent clearance and nothing more |  |
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 18:14 - Oct 13 with 694 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 05:59 - Oct 13 by Bluefish |
So what is the offence then? Break it down what he has done wrong. |
From this:
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11
The offence was in the eyes of the referee either:
Direct free kick
A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned
or:
PLAYING IN A DANGEROUS MANNER
Playing in a dangerous manner is any action that, while trying to play the ball, threatens injury to someone (including the player themself) and includes preventing a nearby opponent from playing the ball for fear of injury.
A scissors or bicycle kick is permissible provided that it is not dangerous to an opponent. |  |
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 18:18 - Oct 13 with 687 views | Bluefish |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 18:14 - Oct 13 by You_Bloo_Right |
From this:
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11
The offence was in the eyes of the referee either:
Direct free kick
A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned
or:
PLAYING IN A DANGEROUS MANNER
Playing in a dangerous manner is any action that, while trying to play the ball, threatens injury to someone (including the player themself) and includes preventing a nearby opponent from playing the ball for fear of injury.
A scissors or bicycle kick is permissible provided that it is not dangerous to an opponent. |
He did a scissor kick, no one was hurt
What does the FA link say the outcome is for the bottom offence? | |
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 18:41 - Oct 13 with 663 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 18:18 - Oct 13 by Bluefish |
He did a scissor kick, no one was hurt
What does the FA link say the outcome is for the bottom offence? |
I thought Shaw raised one boot rather than performed a scissor kick.
On reading the full link it would seem the offences are liable to the following action:
Reckless play - direct free kick and player cautioned
Dangerous play - indirect free kick and no caution.
So if my reading of those laws is correct (no guarantees there of course) some here thought, at worst, it was dangerous play by Shaw but, judging by the outcome, the referee considered it reckless. | |
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 18:46 - Oct 13 with 653 views | PhilTWTD |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:28 - Oct 12 by ZXBlue |
Dangerous play. Head high boot. At best missed by an inch. How can it not be a foul? |
Which would be an indirect free-kick rather than a penalty, wouldn't it? If there was contact it would be a foul and a penalty, as I understand the laws on these sorts of incident. |  | | |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 18:48 - Oct 13 with 648 views | longtimefan |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 18:41 - Oct 13 by You_Bloo_Right |
I thought Shaw raised one boot rather than performed a scissor kick.
On reading the full link it would seem the offences are liable to the following action:
Reckless play - direct free kick and player cautioned
Dangerous play - indirect free kick and no caution.
So if my reading of those laws is correct (no guarantees there of course) some here thought, at worst, it was dangerous play by Shaw but, judging by the outcome, the referee considered it reckless. |
“judging by the outcome, the referee considered it reckless”
Indeed, as evidenced by the caution. | | | |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 18:55 - Oct 13 with 637 views | Bluefish |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 18:41 - Oct 13 by You_Bloo_Right |
I thought Shaw raised one boot rather than performed a scissor kick.
On reading the full link it would seem the offences are liable to the following action:
Reckless play - direct free kick and player cautioned
Dangerous play - indirect free kick and no caution.
So if my reading of those laws is correct (no guarantees there of course) some here thought, at worst, it was dangerous play by Shaw but, judging by the outcome, the referee considered it reckless. |
It was a scissor movement and poor refereeing | |
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:43 - Oct 13 with 599 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 18:55 - Oct 13 by Bluefish |
It was a scissor movement and poor refereeing |
Well sort of but I can see why the referee came to the decision that he did. Not a "full blown" scissor kick in my view. It seemed more like the kind of "high boot" incident that can be seen many times over the course of a season and that, assuming the proximity of an opposing player, will be given as a free kick - sometimes direct, sometimes indirect I grant you. Isn't interpretation wonderful?
Anyway kind of academic as neither of us were refereeing the game. The man who was gave a penalty and appears to have the backing of the rulebook for the decision he made. | |
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:47 - Oct 13 with 594 views | Bluefish |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:43 - Oct 13 by You_Bloo_Right |
Well sort of but I can see why the referee came to the decision that he did. Not a "full blown" scissor kick in my view. It seemed more like the kind of "high boot" incident that can be seen many times over the course of a season and that, assuming the proximity of an opposing player, will be given as a free kick - sometimes direct, sometimes indirect I grant you. Isn't interpretation wonderful?
Anyway kind of academic as neither of us were refereeing the game. The man who was gave a penalty and appears to have the backing of the rulebook for the decision he made. |
Seems pretty clear that the rule book says indirect at worst | |
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| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:54 - Oct 13 with 588 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| At worst that is surely an indirect free kick? (n/t) on 20:47 - Oct 13 by Bluefish |
Seems pretty clear that the rule book says indirect at worst |
If the ref considers it dangerous play then yes.
If the ref considers it reckless play then no.
I appreciate and understand that you don't agree with the referee's interpretation of the laws of the game. All I am suggesting is that there is adequate flexibility within the appropriate rules for the referee to come to the conclusion that he did. | |
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