| Peter Reid confirmed 13:52 - Oct 15 with 4272 views | Illinoisblue |
No excuses for Cook now |  |
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| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:22 - Oct 15 with 915 views | Herbivore |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:16 - Oct 15 by Kieran_Knows |
Yes, because every team in the history of football who has made 19 changes to their first team (whether rightly or wrongly) has come out of the blocks like steam trains. Whilst 4/5 teams have done that and started well this season, you only have to look at Blackpool last season as an example of a team making many changes and starting slowly.
Whilst it hasn't been a great start to life for Cook so far (and I include last seasons abomination in that) some of the talk on here at times is unbelievable.
Still, it suits peoples narratives that Cooks not got us firing yet. [Post edited 15 Oct 2021 15:17]
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I don't think there's much been said that's unreasonable. I doubt any of us expected us to be sat on 13 points after 11 games when the fixtures first came out. It's been a really poor start to the season, the fixture list has been relatively kind with 7 of our 11 games at home and having faced hardly any promotion contenders yet. I think it's understandable that people aren't happy. |  |
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| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:23 - Oct 15 with 918 views | Illinoisblue |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 14:06 - Oct 15 by chicoazul |
My heart is broken at the lack of Joe Royle. Plus Blubbers would explode. |
Joe as attacking coach. Mick in as defenders coach. Watch us fly. | |
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| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:23 - Oct 15 with 924 views | BlueBadger |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:16 - Oct 15 by Kieran_Knows |
Yes, because every team in the history of football who has made 19 changes to their first team (whether rightly or wrongly) has come out of the blocks like steam trains. Whilst 4/5 teams have done that and started well this season, you only have to look at Blackpool last season as an example of a team making many changes and starting slowly.
Whilst it hasn't been a great start to life for Cook so far (and I include last seasons abomination in that) some of the talk on here at times is unbelievable.
Still, it suits peoples narratives that Cooks not got us firing yet. [Post edited 15 Oct 2021 15:17]
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As has been pointed out, ad infinitum, massive turnover of players is very common in the third division. Morecombe, for example have signed 19 players over the summer and are currently sitting above us in the division, Accrington, have also made 19 signings and also sit above us.
At this point in time, Paul Cook's record simply isn't good enough and he has no excuses for that.
We've got 13 points, having largely played also-rans. [Post edited 15 Oct 2021 19:34]
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| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:25 - Oct 15 with 897 views | Illinoisblue |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 14:22 - Oct 15 by ElderGrizzly |
Cook had no excuses as soon as his budget was given to him.
We are a ridiculous set-up for this league now. |
That’s why it’s frustrating to look at the Championship and see teams such as Milwall, Preston, Blackburn etc easily surviving in that division on their 10k crowds.
The Evans-era decline was absolutely criminal. | |
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| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:29 - Oct 15 with 867 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:22 - Oct 15 by Herbivore |
I don't think there's much been said that's unreasonable. I doubt any of us expected us to be sat on 13 points after 11 games when the fixtures first came out. It's been a really poor start to the season, the fixture list has been relatively kind with 7 of our 11 games at home and having faced hardly any promotion contenders yet. I think it's understandable that people aren't happy. |
I don't deny any of that, but the constant negativity is just draining (not necessarily saying your negative though Herb).
At the end of the day, what will be will be, won't it? If the owners/Ashton think Cook is doing such a poor job, he'll be gone.
I suspect he's here till January at least though, so lets hope things pick up. |  |
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| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:31 - Oct 15 with 855 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 14:48 - Oct 15 by itfcjoe |
I can’t imagine a consultant appointment means much in the grand scheme of things
Biggest issue is having to keep putting in change requests post data lock on FM22! |
It’s more experience into the coaching set-up that we needed and appears he has been at the training ground?
If nothing else it is someone who will challenge Cook and feels he can tell him he is wrong |  | | |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:31 - Oct 15 with 845 views | Bluefish |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:16 - Oct 15 by Kieran_Knows |
Yes, because every team in the history of football who has made 19 changes to their first team (whether rightly or wrongly) has come out of the blocks like steam trains. Whilst 4/5 teams have done that and started well this season, you only have to look at Blackpool last season as an example of a team making many changes and starting slowly.
Whilst it hasn't been a great start to life for Cook so far (and I include last seasons abomination in that) some of the talk on here at times is unbelievable.
Still, it suits peoples narratives that Cooks not got us firing yet. [Post edited 15 Oct 2021 15:17]
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If a manager has a task to get a team back up and that manager is given a massive budget to achieve that the manager should do it in a way that is possible. If that involves less changes to make it realistic then that is good management. Making 19 changes by choice and then saying they couldn't succeed because of too many changes is pathetic |  |
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| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:35 - Oct 15 with 823 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:29 - Oct 15 by Kieran_Knows |
I don't deny any of that, but the constant negativity is just draining (not necessarily saying your negative though Herb).
At the end of the day, what will be will be, won't it? If the owners/Ashton think Cook is doing such a poor job, he'll be gone.
I suspect he's here till January at least though, so lets hope things pick up. |
Huge 5 games.
2 wins, 3 losses is probably non-survivable? | | | |
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| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:38 - Oct 15 with 792 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:35 - Oct 15 by ElderGrizzly |
Huge 5 games.
2 wins, 3 losses is probably non-survivable? |
The only reason why I think it'll be till January as it his squad, it's his 19 signings, no other input other than his for the signings.
However, some of the off-field appointments across the summer and today (Probert), plus some comments Ashton has made previously, and this is just me speculating, any new manager would be working under a 'model' rather than full control like Cook has/had had over the summer. | |
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| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:38 - Oct 15 with 790 views | Herbivore |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:29 - Oct 15 by Kieran_Knows |
I don't deny any of that, but the constant negativity is just draining (not necessarily saying your negative though Herb).
At the end of the day, what will be will be, won't it? If the owners/Ashton think Cook is doing such a poor job, he'll be gone.
I suspect he's here till January at least though, so lets hope things pick up. |
Yeah that's fair enough mate. I 100% hope things pick up too, I would love Cook to be a success here and he was my first choice when appointed (aside from a romantic Burley/Dyer fantasy pick) so I am desperate for him to succeed. I'm also a bit stunned by just how poorly he's done since he came in. That said, I've not called for him to go and think he needs this run of 5 games to show whether we've genuinely turned a corner or not. Our away form under him has been terrible and this little run of games gives him a chance to show he can put that right. If he can, we'll have a bit of momentum and can hopefully start looking forward to the rest of the season without the nagging feeling that things just aren't meant to be for Cook here. [Post edited 15 Oct 2021 15:43]
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| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:40 - Oct 15 with 788 views | thegloryyears |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:31 - Oct 15 by ElderGrizzly |
It’s more experience into the coaching set-up that we needed and appears he has been at the training ground?
If nothing else it is someone who will challenge Cook and feels he can tell him he is wrong |
Wow we have travelled back to 1992
lets get 2 big men up top and bomb it Forward....
and then swear at all the players at half time - this will end well. |  | | |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:43 - Oct 15 with 770 views | Bluefish |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:40 - Oct 15 by thegloryyears |
Wow we have travelled back to 1992
lets get 2 big men up top and bomb it Forward....
and then swear at all the players at half time - this will end well. |
Might get us a win against the likes of Acrrington or Morecombe | |
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| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:44 - Oct 15 with 777 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:38 - Oct 15 by Kieran_Knows |
The only reason why I think it'll be till January as it his squad, it's his 19 signings, no other input other than his for the signings.
However, some of the off-field appointments across the summer and today (Probert), plus some comments Ashton has made previously, and this is just me speculating, any new manager would be working under a 'model' rather than full control like Cook has/had had over the summer. |
I think you’re right.. I remember chatting with you in the summer and we thought he had until January then but that was before a less than good start.
Ashton is clearly setting up the club to be ‘agnostic’ of manager. Which is what it should be and why i’m still convinced Cook isn’t their man and never was. He doesn’t do that structure | | | |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:46 - Oct 15 with 768 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:44 - Oct 15 by ElderGrizzly |
I think you’re right.. I remember chatting with you in the summer and we thought he had until January then but that was before a less than good start.
Ashton is clearly setting up the club to be ‘agnostic’ of manager. Which is what it should be and why i’m still convinced Cook isn’t their man and never was. He doesn’t do that structure |
Very much so.
Hasn't it been said they had lined Appleton to take the job? Someone who I could see working under a 'model' and of course has previous with the Chairman and CEO. I don't think they really had any choice but to stick with Cook, mainly because of his previous record of getting teams promoted - which nobody can deny. | |
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| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:50 - Oct 15 with 758 views | HighgateBlue |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:25 - Oct 15 by Illinoisblue |
That’s why it’s frustrating to look at the Championship and see teams such as Milwall, Preston, Blackburn etc easily surviving in that division on their 10k crowds.
The Evans-era decline was absolutely criminal. |
Well we were in the Championship playoffs not so long ago. Let's see whether this current lot can get us into the Championship playoffs, and then let's start sl*gging off Evans again. But for now, it's the current regime which is massively underachieving. |  | | |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:52 - Oct 15 with 753 views | HighgateBlue |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:23 - Oct 15 by BlueBadger |
As has been pointed out, ad infinitum, massive turnover of players is very common in the third division. Morecombe, for example have signed 19 players over the summer and are currently sitting above us in the division, Accrington, have also made 19 signings and also sit above us.
At this point in time, Paul Cook's record simply isn't good enough and he has no excuses for that.
We've got 13 points, having largely played also-rans. [Post edited 15 Oct 2021 19:34]
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Absolutely right.
Big turnover is (a) common at this level, and (b) COOK'S CHOICE.
He needs to accept the consequences of his decisions. Nobody forced him to bin the player of the season, who's now top of the league, and make our defence worse. | | | |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:55 - Oct 15 with 746 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:46 - Oct 15 by Kieran_Knows |
Very much so.
Hasn't it been said they had lined Appleton to take the job? Someone who I could see working under a 'model' and of course has previous with the Chairman and CEO. I don't think they really had any choice but to stick with Cook, mainly because of his previous record of getting teams promoted - which nobody can deny. |
I think we all agree, they couldn’t sack him 6 weeks after him getting the job. Not the way they’d want to start their tenure.
Fingers crossed things improve, for our sake more than anything.
But assume Cook will always be treading thinner ice than one of their own appointees | | | |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:56 - Oct 15 with 743 views | Illinoisblue |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:50 - Oct 15 by HighgateBlue |
Well we were in the Championship playoffs not so long ago. Let's see whether this current lot can get us into the Championship playoffs, and then let's start sl*gging off Evans again. But for now, it's the current regime which is massively underachieving. |
You’re comparing 1 good season in 13 years to the new regime who have literally had to restructure and staff the entire club from top to bottom in 6 months? | |
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| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:57 - Oct 15 with 735 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:56 - Oct 15 by Illinoisblue |
You’re comparing 1 good season in 13 years to the new regime who have literally had to restructure and staff the entire club from top to bottom in 6 months? |
Indeed. We got in the playoffs despite the structure/ownership.
We now have the structure we believe we need, they now need to deliver. | | | |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 19:07 - Oct 15 with 598 views | BlueBadger |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:55 - Oct 15 by ElderGrizzly |
I think we all agree, they couldn’t sack him 6 weeks after him getting the job. Not the way they’d want to start their tenure.
Fingers crossed things improve, for our sake more than anything.
But assume Cook will always be treading thinner ice than one of their own appointees |
A bit like Magilton at the start of the Evans era. Keane was indulged considerably more by Evans than Magilton was. | |
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| Peter Reid confirmed on 19:13 - Oct 15 with 594 views | Keaneish |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 14:51 - Oct 15 by Kieran_Knows |
So we're judging Morsy coming in to the team based upon the 3 (league games) he's been available, of which we've won 2 and lost 1? |
You know better than I having been a poster on here for many years that seeing the wood for the trees escapes a large swathe of people. If many had there way, Evans would still be here leading us on a downward spiral into oblivion simply because the idea of change was a little bit scary. |  |
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| Peter Reid confirmed on 19:27 - Oct 15 with 573 views | BlueBadger |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 19:13 - Oct 15 by Keaneish |
You know better than I having been a poster on here for many years that seeing the wood for the trees escapes a large swathe of people. If many had there way, Evans would still be here leading us on a downward spiral into oblivion simply because the idea of change was a little bit scary. |
LOL. | |
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| Peter Reid confirmed on 19:35 - Oct 15 with 561 views | Keaneish |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 19:27 - Oct 15 by BlueBadger |
LOL. |
Is the match day experience better though? We’re all realllly dying to know. | |
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| Peter Reid confirmed on 21:04 - Oct 15 with 512 views | Geomorph |
| Peter Reid confirmed on 15:07 - Oct 15 by Bluefish |
Luckily the rest of my life offsets the terrible football. For you lot it must be horrific to think not having back to back wins all season or the perfornances of the shambolic seasons before it amounts to great times |
I’ve done mental health awareness stuff at work the last couple of years. I get you lad… |  | | |
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