| World beating, yet again 09:58 - Oct 19 with 1458 views | hype313 |
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| World beating, yet again on 10:11 - Oct 19 with 1382 views | davblue |
mandating that people don't have to wear a mask was pure stupidity.
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| World beating, yet again on 10:23 - Oct 19 with 1330 views | StokieBlue |
I don't think that the numbers provided by countries can realistically be used for any comparative analysis. The reporting criteria and political motivations for each country skew their numbers. We know that Russia specifically lies about it's case and death numbers. A number of analyst are citing excess death numbers as the only realistic way of performing any comparative numbers.
To put it in context, the excess death count for India for last year is running at ~5m whilst that table shows their official deaths to be 450k, an order of magnitude different.
You are of course entirely right that the government have been rubbish and they have a lot to answer for but given they are ignoring the report on the early pandemic failures that is unlikely to happen. The public needs to put more pressure on to ensure they address the highlighted issues but that doesn't seem likely to happen.
Mask wearing is still compulsory on most of the continent and they often don't have the "get-out" clause we have in this country whereby huge numbers seem to be exempt - is our population so medically different to comparable countries in Europe? Of course it isn't but we do have a population that is hugely entitled and feel that they know best. Look at the videos from the concourses at PR? It would seem that 99% of our fans are exempt given it was mandated by the club that everyone should be wearing masks on concourses.
Unfortunately the government feeds this sense of entitlement and we can see from the increase in cases (something else ignored whilst even the smallest decrease is highlighted) that it's going to be a long and hard winter.
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| World beating, yet again on 10:24 - Oct 19 with 1330 views | Pinewoodblue |
You have been taken by selective information. Had the individual waited until the end of the day he would have found that the number of hew cases in USA exceeded those in UK.
In terms of deaths per million of population UK is 26th in the table. US deaths per million are 10% higher than UK.
The UK isn’t doing well, this fact can’t be hidden, and yes government could do more to keep us informed. The current situation in UK however reflects the attitude of the general public to Covid.
People do what they want, they are double jabbed, they feel that if they catch it they will suffer mild symptoms. The fact that you can carry infection without showing symptoms and pass in on directly, or indirectly via third party, to someone vulnerable is of no consequence to far too many. |  |
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| World beating, yet again on 10:26 - Oct 19 with 1328 views | BlueBadger |
| World beating, yet again on 10:23 - Oct 19 by StokieBlue |
I don't think that the numbers provided by countries can realistically be used for any comparative analysis. The reporting criteria and political motivations for each country skew their numbers. We know that Russia specifically lies about it's case and death numbers. A number of analyst are citing excess death numbers as the only realistic way of performing any comparative numbers.
To put it in context, the excess death count for India for last year is running at ~5m whilst that table shows their official deaths to be 450k, an order of magnitude different.
You are of course entirely right that the government have been rubbish and they have a lot to answer for but given they are ignoring the report on the early pandemic failures that is unlikely to happen. The public needs to put more pressure on to ensure they address the highlighted issues but that doesn't seem likely to happen.
Mask wearing is still compulsory on most of the continent and they often don't have the "get-out" clause we have in this country whereby huge numbers seem to be exempt - is our population so medically different to comparable countries in Europe? Of course it isn't but we do have a population that is hugely entitled and feel that they know best. Look at the videos from the concourses at PR? It would seem that 99% of our fans are exempt given it was mandated by the club that everyone should be wearing masks on concourses.
Unfortunately the government feeds this sense of entitlement and we can see from the increase in cases (something else ignored whilst even the smallest decrease is highlighted) that it's going to be a long and hard winter.
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Sunday night, the first time I sat down for something to eat(thankfully, I'd been savvy enough to bring my water bottle out on my rounds with me - sometimes you just have to say 'fook policy') was 5AM.
Our ITU had to do non-clinical transfers(moving sick patients to another ITU because of capacity issues) for the first time in a bout a decade last week.
Safe to say, I am NOT looking forward to December and January. [Post edited 19 Oct 2021 15:04]
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| World beating, yet again on 10:27 - Oct 19 with 1299 views | chicoazul |
Russia and Iran, those bastions of truthfulness. |  |
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| World beating, yet again on 10:29 - Oct 19 with 1275 views | homer_123 |
| World beating, yet again on 10:26 - Oct 19 by BlueBadger |
Sunday night, the first time I sat down for something to eat(thankfully, I'd been savvy enough to bring my water bottle out on my rounds with me - sometimes you just have to say 'fook policy') was 5AM.
Our ITU had to do non-clinical transfers(moving sick patients to another ITU because of capacity issues) for the first time in a bout a decade last week.
Safe to say, I am NOT looking forward to December and January. [Post edited 19 Oct 2021 15:04]
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Indeed - but it will be OK if stand outside and clap again, right? |  |
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| World beating, yet again on 10:47 - Oct 19 with 1234 views | BlueBadger |
| World beating, yet again on 10:24 - Oct 19 by Pinewoodblue |
You have been taken by selective information. Had the individual waited until the end of the day he would have found that the number of hew cases in USA exceeded those in UK.
In terms of deaths per million of population UK is 26th in the table. US deaths per million are 10% higher than UK.
The UK isn’t doing well, this fact can’t be hidden, and yes government could do more to keep us informed. The current situation in UK however reflects the attitude of the general public to Covid.
People do what they want, they are double jabbed, they feel that if they catch it they will suffer mild symptoms. The fact that you can carry infection without showing symptoms and pass in on directly, or indirectly via third party, to someone vulnerable is of no consequence to far too many. |
I took some poor b*gger to ITU on Saturday night.
They're under 70, fit and double-jabbed.
Granted, they were the exception to the trend at the moment, which s mostly the under 60's unvaccinated population seeing ITU admission but the utter complacency in the UK, both from public and government, is terrifying.
Particularly give how busy we are at [redacted] right now. | |
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| World beating, yet again on 10:48 - Oct 19 with 1224 views | BlueBadger |
| World beating, yet again on 10:29 - Oct 19 by homer_123 |
Indeed - but it will be OK if stand outside and clap again, right? |
I understand it's 'clap for the NHS' on Thursdays and 'boot for Boris' on Fridays. | |
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| World beating, yet again on 10:53 - Oct 19 with 1201 views | Swansea_Blue |
| World beating, yet again on 10:23 - Oct 19 by StokieBlue |
I don't think that the numbers provided by countries can realistically be used for any comparative analysis. The reporting criteria and political motivations for each country skew their numbers. We know that Russia specifically lies about it's case and death numbers. A number of analyst are citing excess death numbers as the only realistic way of performing any comparative numbers.
To put it in context, the excess death count for India for last year is running at ~5m whilst that table shows their official deaths to be 450k, an order of magnitude different.
You are of course entirely right that the government have been rubbish and they have a lot to answer for but given they are ignoring the report on the early pandemic failures that is unlikely to happen. The public needs to put more pressure on to ensure they address the highlighted issues but that doesn't seem likely to happen.
Mask wearing is still compulsory on most of the continent and they often don't have the "get-out" clause we have in this country whereby huge numbers seem to be exempt - is our population so medically different to comparable countries in Europe? Of course it isn't but we do have a population that is hugely entitled and feel that they know best. Look at the videos from the concourses at PR? It would seem that 99% of our fans are exempt given it was mandated by the club that everyone should be wearing masks on concourses.
Unfortunately the government feeds this sense of entitlement and we can see from the increase in cases (something else ignored whilst even the smallest decrease is highlighted) that it's going to be a long and hard winter.
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I thought this was quite an interesting piece from the FT, in case you haven't seen it. it touches on some of those points around the cultural differences. Also how maybe our earlier vaccination rate is now starting to go against us as we don't keep pace with boosters.
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| World beating, yet again on 10:58 - Oct 19 with 1160 views | davblue |
Biggest thing is people not taking self responsibility.
Just because the Gov have you don't need to that's fine. Over the last month i've noticed a real drop significant drop off in face masks.
Im not saying they will prevent every infection, but it would make a lot of difference i suspect. | | | |
| World beating, yet again on 10:59 - Oct 19 with 1161 views | BlueBadger |
| World beating, yet again on 10:53 - Oct 19 by Swansea_Blue |
I thought this was quite an interesting piece from the FT, in case you haven't seen it. it touches on some of those points around the cultural differences. Also how maybe our earlier vaccination rate is now starting to go against us as we don't keep pace with boosters.
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Also worth pointing out that across the continent, they've not only caught us up but they've generally been more proactive with vaccines for the under 16's, where cases are currently spiralling here. [Post edited 19 Oct 2021 11:03]
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| World beating, yet again on 11:00 - Oct 19 with 1155 views | JammyDodgerrr |
| World beating, yet again on 10:53 - Oct 19 by Swansea_Blue |
I thought this was quite an interesting piece from the FT, in case you haven't seen it. it touches on some of those points around the cultural differences. Also how maybe our earlier vaccination rate is now starting to go against us as we don't keep pace with boosters.
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Came here to post that thread, it's really interesting. Clear that it's all the events that are doing us in, rather than the mask mandate(which obviously isn't helping either) |  |
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| World beating, yet again on 11:06 - Oct 19 with 1120 views | BlueBadger |
| World beating, yet again on 10:58 - Oct 19 by davblue |
Biggest thing is people not taking self responsibility.
Just because the Gov have you don't need to that's fine. Over the last month i've noticed a real drop significant drop off in face masks.
Im not saying they will prevent every infection, but it would make a lot of difference i suspect. |
As the past 5 years have shown, relying on people's sense of basic decency, communal responsibility and ability to weigh up and evaluate information and do the right thing is a fool's game. [Post edited 19 Oct 2021 11:40]
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| World beating, yet again on 11:10 - Oct 19 with 1105 views | Swansea_Blue |
| World beating, yet again on 10:59 - Oct 19 by BlueBadger |
Also worth pointing out that across the continent, they've not only caught us up but they've generally been more proactive with vaccines for the under 16's, where cases are currently spiralling here. [Post edited 19 Oct 2021 11:03]
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I suppose it's all been wrapped up in the culture war nonsense and the idea that the people are being being coerced into having the vaccine rather than it being a necessary public health measure. It must be hard to manage that, as if you make vaccines mandatory it reinforces the anti vaxxers belief that it's all about control.
Oh, and policy around vaccinating youngsters being a bit of a mess (possibly due to concerns around the above issue). [Post edited 19 Oct 2021 11:10]
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| World beating, yet again on 11:23 - Oct 19 with 1042 views | Pinewoodblue |
| World beating, yet again on 11:00 - Oct 19 by JammyDodgerrr |
Came here to post that thread, it's really interesting. Clear that it's all the events that are doing us in, rather than the mask mandate(which obviously isn't helping either) |
It is not wearing masks at events, plus the education sector, that is behind our failure to keep cases, hospitalisation and deaths down.
The latest advice to those on the vulnerability list highlights the concern the powers that be have for the winter. The advice includes ask all visitors, including family to take an LF test before visiting. Also to wear masks when indoors.
We all use our own judgement to assess risks, we recently attended a sixties music festival in Cornwall at which my wife, double jabbed, contracted Covid. We thought the risk was acceptable having received emails outlining the rules that would be in force. No standing at the bar, order food and drink via App, or from bar staff who would come to the table. Masks to be worn except when seated. Enhanced cleaning regime in force.
Turned out to be exactly the opposite and numerous people caught Covid. | |
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| World beating, yet again on 11:39 - Oct 19 with 976 views | BlueBadger |
| World beating, yet again on 11:23 - Oct 19 by Pinewoodblue |
It is not wearing masks at events, plus the education sector, that is behind our failure to keep cases, hospitalisation and deaths down.
The latest advice to those on the vulnerability list highlights the concern the powers that be have for the winter. The advice includes ask all visitors, including family to take an LF test before visiting. Also to wear masks when indoors.
We all use our own judgement to assess risks, we recently attended a sixties music festival in Cornwall at which my wife, double jabbed, contracted Covid. We thought the risk was acceptable having received emails outlining the rules that would be in force. No standing at the bar, order food and drink via App, or from bar staff who would come to the table. Masks to be worn except when seated. Enhanced cleaning regime in force.
Turned out to be exactly the opposite and numerous people caught Covid. |
My mum, who is currently 9 sessions into a course of chemo(and thus with no immune system to speak of) recently received a DoH letter saying 'don't worry, you don't need to shield', FFS. | |
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| World beating, yet again on 11:43 - Oct 19 with 965 views | NthQldITFC |
| World beating, yet again on 10:24 - Oct 19 by Pinewoodblue |
You have been taken by selective information. Had the individual waited until the end of the day he would have found that the number of hew cases in USA exceeded those in UK.
In terms of deaths per million of population UK is 26th in the table. US deaths per million are 10% higher than UK.
The UK isn’t doing well, this fact can’t be hidden, and yes government could do more to keep us informed. The current situation in UK however reflects the attitude of the general public to Covid.
People do what they want, they are double jabbed, they feel that if they catch it they will suffer mild symptoms. The fact that you can carry infection without showing symptoms and pass in on directly, or indirectly via third party, to someone vulnerable is of no consequence to far too many. |
Yes. An example of what is possibly a deliberate attempt to mislead (I don't know) on top of the perpetual, and unavoidable, problem of differing testing and reporting standards between countries (as pointed out by Stokie above).
We have to be oh-so-careful about coming to our own conclusions, but even the more serious media outlets make it so much harder for the general public with their own lackadaisical and irresponsible ways of reporting data, and in doing so undermine the faith of the the public in 'the so-called experts'.
With the infinitely more serious issues about to be addressed at COP26, I can only hope that the media manage to handle the presentation of data and summaries a lot better than they have with COVID-19.
(I know the linked tweet is some self-proclaimed 'health twit' and not the BBC, but that's no reason for me not to have a good rant!) |  |
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| World beating, yet again on 11:48 - Oct 19 with 940 views | Pinewoodblue |
| World beating, yet again on 11:39 - Oct 19 by BlueBadger |
My mum, who is currently 9 sessions into a course of chemo(and thus with no immune system to speak of) recently received a DoH letter saying 'don't worry, you don't need to shield', FFS. |
My wife moves in and out of the vulnerable list at the whim of her GP.
The letter your mother received would have included getting family members to test before visiting, Shielding by another name. | |
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| World beating, yet again on 12:44 - Oct 19 with 827 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| World beating, yet again on 10:53 - Oct 19 by Swansea_Blue |
I thought this was quite an interesting piece from the FT, in case you haven't seen it. it touches on some of those points around the cultural differences. Also how maybe our earlier vaccination rate is now starting to go against us as we don't keep pace with boosters.
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That is a very insightful Twitter thread. |  | | |
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