| Agendas 15:32 - Oct 31 with 4922 views | homer_123 |
Just to be clear...a lot of people talking about agendas in the past 48 hours or so.
The way I see it...as Town fans our agendas are all exactly the same.
We want the Club to be as successful as possible, regardless of who's playing, managing or owning the Club. |  |
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| Agendas on 15:36 - Oct 31 with 2150 views | Keno |
I think I had an Austin Agenda once
It was a bit rusty and broke down a lot |  |
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| Agendas on 15:37 - Oct 31 with 2155 views | portmanking |
Quite, but the majority being castigated for believing building success over time (hell, maybe even over 2 seasons) rather than reaching for the ejector button at the first sign of trouble is just plain wrong. |  | | |
| Agendas on 15:39 - Oct 31 with 2129 views | homer_123 |
| Agendas on 15:37 - Oct 31 by portmanking |
Quite, but the majority being castigated for believing building success over time (hell, maybe even over 2 seasons) rather than reaching for the ejector button at the first sign of trouble is just plain wrong. |
There's some healthy debate to be had about where we are right now. | |
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| Agendas on 15:43 - Oct 31 with 2122 views | Romeo4 |
Agree. The only thing that there is a consensus on is that not one us is happy where our great club has fallen to. Other than that there’s just a bunch of varying opinions.
Some (me included) think we should stick with Cook because we see some improvement and are taking some pleasure in the product on offer especially when compared to the dross of recent years. Some are losing patience more quickly and would like a change in management much sooner.
Only time will tell who’s right. But you’re right, we all want the same thing…..a successful football club. |  | | |
| Agendas on 15:52 - Oct 31 with 2081 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Agendas on 15:39 - Oct 31 by homer_123 |
There's some healthy debate to be had about where we are right now. |
We need patience but we also need to show patience in the right man.
I hope it is Cook. One thing I love about this club is that we do tend to give managers more of a chance than the majority of clubs. It helps if we get the initial appointment right in the first place.
I am still uncertain on Cook. He needs to be given longer but he certainly hasn't entirely convinced me yet. |  |
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| Agendas on 16:01 - Oct 31 with 2058 views | billlm |
| Agendas on 15:52 - Oct 31 by Nthsuffolkblue |
We need patience but we also need to show patience in the right man.
I hope it is Cook. One thing I love about this club is that we do tend to give managers more of a chance than the majority of clubs. It helps if we get the initial appointment right in the first place.
I am still uncertain on Cook. He needs to be given longer but he certainly hasn't entirely convinced me yet. |
I'm not for sacking managers, we've had a large amount invested in us,have technically better players, at home the forms turning but away it's awful, where our problems arise, yesterday's selection was awful, just play your best 3 behind Bonne, they couldn't touch Celina, ok he might only last one half but we may have been out of sight then make changes to shore it up,I'm not a cook out man YET but if he can't get a tune out of the fiddle then things may have to change, the supports amazing but if we fall of the pace much more so will the support quickly, |  | | |
| Agendas on 16:29 - Oct 31 with 2009 views | Burns7 |
| Agendas on 16:01 - Oct 31 by billlm |
I'm not for sacking managers, we've had a large amount invested in us,have technically better players, at home the forms turning but away it's awful, where our problems arise, yesterday's selection was awful, just play your best 3 behind Bonne, they couldn't touch Celina, ok he might only last one half but we may have been out of sight then make changes to shore it up,I'm not a cook out man YET but if he can't get a tune out of the fiddle then things may have to change, the supports amazing but if we fall of the pace much more so will the support quickly, |
I am not for sacking managers typically, but the last three appointments have all shown warning signs early on that were not taken seriously and have resulted in us spending four seasons in the third division and squandering any advantage we may have had. I agree we all want the same thing, but there’s a core of supporters living in the past century in terms of giving management much longer than they deserve and there’s too many of us willing to accept failure just to appear as reasonable and good supporters when in reality we should all be screaming at those responsible that this isn’t good enough or acceptable for Ipswich Town. |  | | |
| Agendas on 16:50 - Oct 31 with 1984 views | footers |
| Agendas on 16:29 - Oct 31 by Burns7 |
I am not for sacking managers typically, but the last three appointments have all shown warning signs early on that were not taken seriously and have resulted in us spending four seasons in the third division and squandering any advantage we may have had. I agree we all want the same thing, but there’s a core of supporters living in the past century in terms of giving management much longer than they deserve and there’s too many of us willing to accept failure just to appear as reasonable and good supporters when in reality we should all be screaming at those responsible that this isn’t good enough or acceptable for Ipswich Town. |
Have a dark chocolate Magnum and hand shandy, lad. You're clearly too wound up. |  |
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| Agendas on 16:52 - Oct 31 with 1979 views | wkj |
| Agendas on 16:50 - Oct 31 by footers |
Have a dark chocolate Magnum and hand shandy, lad. You're clearly too wound up. |
I think you meant Milk Chocolate [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 16:52]
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| Agendas on 17:26 - Oct 31 with 1913 views | portmanking |
| Agendas on 15:39 - Oct 31 by homer_123 |
There's some healthy debate to be had about where we are right now. |
The club's agenda is that they've backed Cook with money. Signed a squad of predominantly his players on 3-4 year contracts. The club's ownership has reiterated on NUMEROUS occasions that success may not be immediate, regardless of who comes in through the door. That's the club's agenda. It's about time some got on board and accept there will be peaks and troughs. | | | |
| Agendas on 17:29 - Oct 31 with 1884 views | Burns7 |
| Agendas on 16:50 - Oct 31 by footers |
Have a dark chocolate Magnum and hand shandy, lad. You're clearly too wound up. |
If you think four seasons of third division football is good for Ipswich town then that’s up to you, some of us actually want the club to do well rather than rot and make excuses. | | | |
| Agendas on 17:31 - Oct 31 with 1872 views | Burns7 |
| Agendas on 17:26 - Oct 31 by portmanking |
The club's agenda is that they've backed Cook with money. Signed a squad of predominantly his players on 3-4 year contracts. The club's ownership has reiterated on NUMEROUS occasions that success may not be immediate, regardless of who comes in through the door. That's the club's agenda. It's about time some got on board and accept there will be peaks and troughs. |
If that’s the club’s agenda we’re utterly screwed because we’re going to rot the longer we stay down in the gutter and we can’t accept failure from distant owners anymore, it’s been too long and we’ve seen and heard all this nonsense before. If Gamechanger thinks this is good enough we are dead in the water as a club, it will take some years to realise this, but it’s unacceptable for Ipswich Town. | | | |
| Agendas on 17:33 - Oct 31 with 1882 views | portmanking |
| Agendas on 17:29 - Oct 31 by Burns7 |
If you think four seasons of third division football is good for Ipswich town then that’s up to you, some of us actually want the club to do well rather than rot and make excuses. |
If you think disrespecting the level we're in is likely to help in any way by all means crack on. The teams that do well in this league roll their sleeves up and respect the opposition. It took Sheff Utd and Leeds years to get out too. Largely for that same reason of looking down their noses at the third tier. | | | |
| Agendas on 17:34 - Oct 31 with 1878 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Agendas on 17:29 - Oct 31 by Burns7 |
If you think four seasons of third division football is good for Ipswich town then that’s up to you, some of us actually want the club to do well rather than rot and make excuses. |
The club is far from 'rotting' now, but the rot was well and truly set in under our previous owner. What has happened at this club isn't just about changing personnel, every single part of this club has needed changing and that all takes time. |  |
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| Agendas on 17:34 - Oct 31 with 1878 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Agendas on 17:31 - Oct 31 by Burns7 |
If that’s the club’s agenda we’re utterly screwed because we’re going to rot the longer we stay down in the gutter and we can’t accept failure from distant owners anymore, it’s been too long and we’ve seen and heard all this nonsense before. If Gamechanger thinks this is good enough we are dead in the water as a club, it will take some years to realise this, but it’s unacceptable for Ipswich Town. |
And yet in another thread you say it is inevitable.
Either it is inevitable and we may as well accept it or it isn't and it is worth doing what is best to avoid it. Constantly changing things is not going to work. There is a limit to backing Cook (who wasn't a GameChanger appointment) but if we do make a change it is vital to get that next appointment right. | |
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| Agendas on 17:36 - Oct 31 with 1871 views | portmanking |
| Agendas on 17:31 - Oct 31 by Burns7 |
If that’s the club’s agenda we’re utterly screwed because we’re going to rot the longer we stay down in the gutter and we can’t accept failure from distant owners anymore, it’s been too long and we’ve seen and heard all this nonsense before. If Gamechanger thinks this is good enough we are dead in the water as a club, it will take some years to realise this, but it’s unacceptable for Ipswich Town. |
You were born post-millennium I assume? In which case I understand your impatience. | | | |
| Agendas on 17:52 - Oct 31 with 1823 views | BlueBadger |
| Agendas on 17:26 - Oct 31 by portmanking |
The club's agenda is that they've backed Cook with money. Signed a squad of predominantly his players on 3-4 year contracts. The club's ownership has reiterated on NUMEROUS occasions that success may not be immediate, regardless of who comes in through the door. That's the club's agenda. It's about time some got on board and accept there will be peaks and troughs. |
The club have been pretty clear that promotion has beneath aim for this season pretty all summer.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/ipswich-town/mark-ashton-on-building-new-itfc-squad
I don't get why people keep making excuses for this and say 'well actually...' about it to justify our poor start. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 17:54]
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| Agendas on 18:02 - Oct 31 with 1816 views | footers |
| Agendas on 17:29 - Oct 31 by Burns7 |
If you think four seasons of third division football is good for Ipswich town then that’s up to you, some of us actually want the club to do well rather than rot and make excuses. |
I was merely suggesting a more pleasurable way of your enjoying your free time than doing an impression of a stove-top kettle.
But I'm more of a mint Cornetto man myself. | |
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| Agendas on 21:42 - Oct 31 with 1733 views | tractorshark |
Has the other thread been pulled? I was just about to reply to something and I can’t find it now. | | | |
| Agendas on 22:08 - Oct 31 with 1698 views | Keaneish |
This forum has had some bad lows in the past and yesterday was one for me. After doing a 15-hour door-to-door round trip and chatting to good number of Argyle and Town fans, the conversation was upbeat, positive and looking forward despite the result. Plymouth fans acknowledging we deserved a point and Town fans recognising the same.
Cut to coming on here and there’s folk who live at the other end of the country who never, if rarely go to games either calling for Cook to go or giving him 4 games! It’s so out of kilter with what’s actually going on it’s absurd. Then there’s the data warriors, the MM rear guard, those loyal to anything and anyone trying to find a scraps to make a case for a defeat without even watching highlights!
Think I’ve said enough on the subject. I’ll be at Adams Park as will others. Many will be on iFollow but if we lose this forum will be toxic. TWTD is getting a bad name for itself now and in my opinion, it’s the usual folk policing it that make it this way. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 22:09]
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| Agendas on 22:13 - Oct 31 with 1662 views | Dyland |
My agenda is to have a fooking laugh, all the time.
And be nice, and do my bit where I can :) |  |
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| Agendas on 22:20 - Oct 31 with 1634 views | DinnernotTea |
It's the lack of respect for Cook that is not sitting right with me. Plainly obvious he's made mistakes this season and would expect to be 6/9 points better off. But since mid September there are clear signs the players and he are turning a corner. For instance we're top scorers in the league, must've been 2005 since we said that? 1 defeat at home all season.
I'm just amazed that year 1 and 2 in L1 saw us finding it easy until November, we then know what happened. So to study the league with such detail on Halloween is really odd. | |
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| Agendas on 22:31 - Oct 31 with 1571 views | HighgateBlue |
Absolutely. Although sadly there is even a difference of opinion about what "successful" means. Without going into specifics, there have been some over the last decade who have prioritised what they see as entertaining football over results. I am not in this category.
I think it's healthy to acknowledge where there are genuine differences even in objectives, let alone how one fulfils those objectives. Otherwise we can just end up talking at cross purposes.
I shall say no more, as this thread was clearly not intended to spark division. |  | | |
| Agendas on 22:34 - Oct 31 with 1529 views | BlueBadger |
| Agendas on 22:08 - Oct 31 by Keaneish |
This forum has had some bad lows in the past and yesterday was one for me. After doing a 15-hour door-to-door round trip and chatting to good number of Argyle and Town fans, the conversation was upbeat, positive and looking forward despite the result. Plymouth fans acknowledging we deserved a point and Town fans recognising the same.
Cut to coming on here and there’s folk who live at the other end of the country who never, if rarely go to games either calling for Cook to go or giving him 4 games! It’s so out of kilter with what’s actually going on it’s absurd. Then there’s the data warriors, the MM rear guard, those loyal to anything and anyone trying to find a scraps to make a case for a defeat without even watching highlights!
Think I’ve said enough on the subject. I’ll be at Adams Park as will others. Many will be on iFollow but if we lose this forum will be toxic. TWTD is getting a bad name for itself now and in my opinion, it’s the usual folk policing it that make it this way. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 22:09]
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| Agendas on 22:58 - Oct 31 with 1502 views | DinnernotTea |
And just to add highest away win this century, biggest home win in a decade. These are moments we wanted as we walked away not remembering if we had a shot on target with previous managers.
I'm hoping Cook gets his first choice back 5 together, until now we haven't seen it which part explains our GA column. | |
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