| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team 22:24 - Nov 13 with 3454 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Maybe I just don't know enough about football or have got it completely wrong.
I just cannot see what Lee Evans is offering us in that midfield. Morsy is the one who wants to play deep and get the ball off the back 4, Evans to my eye seems to be occupying exactly the same space, trying to do exactly the same job, but nowhere near as well.
Scott Fraser or Tom Carroll or Idris in that position please.
Be interesting to hear other peoples thoughts. |  |
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| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 22:27 - Nov 13 with 3003 views | Reuser_is_God |
I actually think Evans has been really good in recent games (Fleetwood, Wycombe, Portsmouth).
He does play a lot of Hollywood balls which don’t always come off but when they do.....
His switching of play is very good.
I can’t comment on today as I wasn’t there but I’ve always felt Fraser would also be suited to the deeper role too & it was interesting that he played there mid week. |  |
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| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 22:29 - Nov 13 with 2988 views | unstableblue |
I actually thought evans was OK today, he was managing to switch play, and also got stuck in… agreed he should be giving more
The problem today was a rusty Donacien (who improved), Toto long distribution (but he was strong in defence at times), and critically the attacking 3 midfielders
Just not sharp enough and effective in the final pass |  |
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| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 22:59 - Nov 13 with 2898 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 22:27 - Nov 13 by Reuser_is_God |
I actually think Evans has been really good in recent games (Fleetwood, Wycombe, Portsmouth).
He does play a lot of Hollywood balls which don’t always come off but when they do.....
His switching of play is very good.
I can’t comment on today as I wasn’t there but I’ve always felt Fraser would also be suited to the deeper role too & it was interesting that he played there mid week. |
I just dont think I have seen enough from Evans apart form the sideways pass or a fancy cross field.
He reminds me a lot of Kevin Bru, tidy player but forgettable and loves a Hollywood ball.
Maybe we need someone like Fraser who will try something a bit more daring. | |
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| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 22:59 - Nov 13 with 2898 views | AlanG296 |
Have to agree, aside from the freak second half he had against doncaster he's been very underwhelming. He must have played a lot of Rugby as a kid because most of his passes are backwards or sideways. Can't turn with the ball, dithers in possession a lot, seems to prefer playing facing his defence, likes to point to other players telling who to pass to (not me says Lee), he's not one who takes responsibility. Definitely not a gamechanger. Yes on occasion plays a good pass, or strikes a good free kick, but there's a lot of dross in between. |  | | |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 23:01 - Nov 13 with 2888 views | ZXBlue |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 22:59 - Nov 13 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I just dont think I have seen enough from Evans apart form the sideways pass or a fancy cross field.
He reminds me a lot of Kevin Bru, tidy player but forgettable and loves a Hollywood ball.
Maybe we need someone like Fraser who will try something a bit more daring. |
I agree. Times when he could have looked forward, he turned back. Not awful, but hard to see what he brings. | | | |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 23:11 - Nov 13 with 2859 views | Illinoisblue |
Mostly agree with that. If Morsy is to sit deep, break up play, recycle the ball, then Evans has to be a creative spark. He doesn’t do that enough. |  |
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| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 23:18 - Nov 13 with 2831 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 22:59 - Nov 13 by AlanG296 |
Have to agree, aside from the freak second half he had against doncaster he's been very underwhelming. He must have played a lot of Rugby as a kid because most of his passes are backwards or sideways. Can't turn with the ball, dithers in possession a lot, seems to prefer playing facing his defence, likes to point to other players telling who to pass to (not me says Lee), he's not one who takes responsibility. Definitely not a gamechanger. Yes on occasion plays a good pass, or strikes a good free kick, but there's a lot of dross in between. |
I would agree with most of that. When he is on the ball, I look down or look away and when I look back the ball is normally behind where he had it last, just doesn't offer much in my opinion. | |
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| You obviously weren’t at Wycombe away (n/t) on 23:20 - Nov 13 with 2817 views | unstableblue |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 22:59 - Nov 13 by AlanG296 |
Have to agree, aside from the freak second half he had against doncaster he's been very underwhelming. He must have played a lot of Rugby as a kid because most of his passes are backwards or sideways. Can't turn with the ball, dithers in possession a lot, seems to prefer playing facing his defence, likes to point to other players telling who to pass to (not me says Lee), he's not one who takes responsibility. Definitely not a gamechanger. Yes on occasion plays a good pass, or strikes a good free kick, but there's a lot of dross in between. |
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| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 23:21 - Nov 13 with 2814 views | AlanG296 |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 23:18 - Nov 13 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
I would agree with most of that. When he is on the ball, I look down or look away and when I look back the ball is normally behind where he had it last, just doesn't offer much in my opinion. |
Definitely one of the positions we should be looking to improve in the next window. | | | |
| You obviously weren’t at Wycombe away (n/t) on 23:39 - Nov 13 with 2762 views | AlanG296 |
| You obviously weren’t at Wycombe away (n/t) on 23:20 - Nov 13 by unstableblue |
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No, I wasn't, but have been at all the home games.
If he plays well at Wycombe perhaps we should sell him to them. | | | |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 00:18 - Nov 14 with 2691 views | Garv |
He wasn't very good today, but if you watch it back you'll probably see he was never likely to shine. The Fleetwood game we won in the last minute he was a major part of.
He did a few dodgy things today. Wouldn't be upset if Carroll was in there, but he isn't fit sadly. Also unconvinced Fraser could do it. |  |
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| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 05:39 - Nov 14 with 2432 views | ArnieM |
I suppose in order to answer the OP, it might be useful to identify what exactly , is Evans role in the side? I’m not sure I know …. |  |
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| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 07:20 - Nov 14 with 2354 views | itfcjoe |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 23:11 - Nov 13 by Illinoisblue |
Mostly agree with that. If Morsy is to sit deep, break up play, recycle the ball, then Evans has to be a creative spark. He doesn’t do that enough. |
I think they are both there to sit really, our forward momentum and creativity comes from the wide players and forwards.
The fact that Morsy and Evans have played near on 100 games together under Paul Cook would indicate they know what their roles are and are doing mostly what they should be - Evans switching of play is very good and when you attack from wide positions that’s important |  |
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| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 08:34 - Nov 14 with 2097 views | Guthrum |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 07:20 - Nov 14 by itfcjoe |
I think they are both there to sit really, our forward momentum and creativity comes from the wide players and forwards.
The fact that Morsy and Evans have played near on 100 games together under Paul Cook would indicate they know what their roles are and are doing mostly what they should be - Evans switching of play is very good and when you attack from wide positions that’s important |
Moreover, having two "sitters" gives extra protection to our defence, which has been notably more secure since we started doing that.
League games -
Morsy & Evans did not start together: P9 W1 D5 L3 GA18 (2 gpg)
Morsy & Evans did start together: P8 W5 D1 L2 GA7 (0.875 gpg)
All this without really damaging our ability to create goalscoring opportunities (yesterday was unfortunate with a couple of saves, hitting the post and a bit of uncharacteristic inaccuracy). Average goals per game scored by us with Morsy and Evans starting is 2.5, as opposed to 1.56 without. |  |
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| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 08:41 - Nov 14 with 2066 views | ChateauWines |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 08:34 - Nov 14 by Guthrum |
Moreover, having two "sitters" gives extra protection to our defence, which has been notably more secure since we started doing that.
League games -
Morsy & Evans did not start together: P9 W1 D5 L3 GA18 (2 gpg)
Morsy & Evans did start together: P8 W5 D1 L2 GA7 (0.875 gpg)
All this without really damaging our ability to create goalscoring opportunities (yesterday was unfortunate with a couple of saves, hitting the post and a bit of uncharacteristic inaccuracy). Average goals per game scored by us with Morsy and Evans starting is 2.5, as opposed to 1.56 without. |
Good work, saved me looking up the stats. I see original posters point though. Lee Evans is not easy on the eye and can be very frustrating to watch. The stats don't lie, but to reach top two we will need more than we are getting | |
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| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 08:55 - Nov 14 with 2020 views | NthQldITFC |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 07:20 - Nov 14 by itfcjoe |
I think they are both there to sit really, our forward momentum and creativity comes from the wide players and forwards.
The fact that Morsy and Evans have played near on 100 games together under Paul Cook would indicate they know what their roles are and are doing mostly what they should be - Evans switching of play is very good and when you attack from wide positions that’s important |
I agree, but feel we are playing as a team 10 to 20 yards too far back, primarily because our defence is not comfortable enough on the ball, and we end up retreating when being pressed. If we were controlling games essentially just inside our own half, the two sitting midfielders can add creativity without losing the vital defensive aspect of their game which allows the full backs to overload. |  |
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| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 09:13 - Nov 14 with 1953 views | franz_tyson |
I’d stick with Evans for the time being. He’s not as physical as Morsy, but does offer more in the tackle than Fraser or Carroll. It’s been mentioned that El Mizouni likes a tackle in training so maybe he’s the next cab on the rank.
For me, the next one to drop out is Edwards. Just hasn’t got the end product. We’ve got Fraser, Chaplin and Aluko on the bench and they’ve got more goals/assists in them than him. Added to the fact that Celina is an enigma and can disappear for large parts of the game, I think them two starting means we’re carrying a couple of players for too long in a game. | | | |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 09:14 - Nov 14 with 1951 views | Romeo4 |
I thought Evans played well yesterday. He has been really important to our upturn in form. His set piece delivery is mostly good too.
It is clear that he and Morsy have a good understanding and I think they balance well with each other.
we’d miss either of these players quite badly if they weren’t in the side. I just don’t see any of the alternatives providing the same strength in that area. [Post edited 14 Nov 2021 9:15]
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| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 09:22 - Nov 14 with 1909 views | Guthrum |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 09:13 - Nov 14 by franz_tyson |
I’d stick with Evans for the time being. He’s not as physical as Morsy, but does offer more in the tackle than Fraser or Carroll. It’s been mentioned that El Mizouni likes a tackle in training so maybe he’s the next cab on the rank.
For me, the next one to drop out is Edwards. Just hasn’t got the end product. We’ve got Fraser, Chaplin and Aluko on the bench and they’ve got more goals/assists in them than him. Added to the fact that Celina is an enigma and can disappear for large parts of the game, I think them two starting means we’re carrying a couple of players for too long in a game. |
Maybe swap things around and use Edwards as the impact sub against tireder legs in the last 20 or 30 minutes of games, with Chaplin or Aluko doing the first hour or so. | |
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| You obviously weren’t at Wycombe away (n/t) on 09:22 - Nov 14 with 1908 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| You obviously weren’t at Wycombe away (n/t) on 23:39 - Nov 13 by AlanG296 |
No, I wasn't, but have been at all the home games.
If he plays well at Wycombe perhaps we should sell him to them. |
Whether you like him or not, he's one of the better players in this division.
Its a rather flippant remark, from someone I assume is a grown up. |  |
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| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 09:27 - Nov 14 with 1887 views | chicoazul |
Your point about Evans and Morsy doing the same job. Isn’t that exactly what Cook wants from the CMs? Their job is to be clones of one another. |  |
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| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 09:33 - Nov 14 with 1869 views | franz_tyson |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 09:22 - Nov 14 by Guthrum |
Maybe swap things around and use Edwards as the impact sub against tireder legs in the last 20 or 30 minutes of games, with Chaplin or Aluko doing the first hour or so. |
I really think we should get Chaplin in the side. He was playing well before he was rested. I prefer him as a number 10 to Celina. Better link up play and neat around the box.
But Celina is seen as the preferred 10 and I do wonder if it’s because he’s unlikely to deal with the defensive duties that the wide players have to do.
But, for me, Edwards isn’t doing enough to keep Aluko, Chaplin or Fraser on the bench. | | | |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 10:01 - Nov 14 with 1813 views | Simonds92 |
Disagree with this and a lot of subsequent posts. Im not sure what some people have been watching so far this season but he's a sitting midfielder who should position himself to recieve the ball and give an out ball. He has the ability to then spray passes, whereas Morsy seems to be able to drive at players but only pass the ball 10 yards. They compliment eachother well, but crucially he's not in the team as a box to box player. If he was we'd concede even more goals. The front 4 and the fullbacks have full license to get forward, do people genuinely expect us to just leave 2 cbs and 1 holder? Comments on the lack of creativity seem pretty ridiculous when we're the league's top scorers. Sometimes it doesnt quite happen like yesterday but there was every chance we could have won that game, i don't understand people desperate to wait for a bad result to get stuck in to someone. Fair enough if it was the start of the season when we looked so open but our form over the past 5-10 games is good and he's been a key part of that. | | | |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 10:08 - Nov 14 with 1783 views | franz_tyson |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 10:01 - Nov 14 by Simonds92 |
Disagree with this and a lot of subsequent posts. Im not sure what some people have been watching so far this season but he's a sitting midfielder who should position himself to recieve the ball and give an out ball. He has the ability to then spray passes, whereas Morsy seems to be able to drive at players but only pass the ball 10 yards. They compliment eachother well, but crucially he's not in the team as a box to box player. If he was we'd concede even more goals. The front 4 and the fullbacks have full license to get forward, do people genuinely expect us to just leave 2 cbs and 1 holder? Comments on the lack of creativity seem pretty ridiculous when we're the league's top scorers. Sometimes it doesnt quite happen like yesterday but there was every chance we could have won that game, i don't understand people desperate to wait for a bad result to get stuck in to someone. Fair enough if it was the start of the season when we looked so open but our form over the past 5-10 games is good and he's been a key part of that. |
Tend to agree. If he’s covering for the full-backs, making tackles and playing the simple ball then he’s doing his job. 6/10 every game and he’s earning his place as we’ve plenty of attacking options.
However, he has a decent pass in his locker so it would be good to see that more often, but not the telegraphed switched pass that gets cut out.
I do wonder if he needs to add more bite to his game, though. | | | |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 10:21 - Nov 14 with 1735 views | strikalite |
| Time for Lee Evans to drop out the team on 09:13 - Nov 14 by franz_tyson |
I’d stick with Evans for the time being. He’s not as physical as Morsy, but does offer more in the tackle than Fraser or Carroll. It’s been mentioned that El Mizouni likes a tackle in training so maybe he’s the next cab on the rank.
For me, the next one to drop out is Edwards. Just hasn’t got the end product. We’ve got Fraser, Chaplin and Aluko on the bench and they’ve got more goals/assists in them than him. Added to the fact that Celina is an enigma and can disappear for large parts of the game, I think them two starting means we’re carrying a couple of players for too long in a game. |
I think I'd tempted with El Miz too, that lad has a shot in his locker too, I do understand the purpose of the Evans role as a holder, but at times he lacks a bit of drive when space appears, someone else must slot in and cover, not saying all the time obviously but there are certainly moments.. |  | | |
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