| Fraser 07:06 - Nov 20 with 1386 views | quad |
I don't usually pay much attention to statistics. However, looking at the stats someone posted on another thread for the players, the one thing that stands out is Fraser's chances created. 21 chances created from 13 games is quite impressive and far exceeds the other players. If he could add more goals to his game then we would have some player.
I may be biased because I really like his style, but I can't help feeling that we need to find a place for him in the side. And I don't think he's a very good impact sub as he's not that kind of player. But I don't think he's a replacement for Evans either as that seems to be working well with Morsy, I would be happy to be proved wrong though.
Do we think now that realistically Fraser's only real chance of playing regularly is to try to displace Evans from the team in the deeper role? Or is he any kind of threat to either Celina or Chaplin for a starting place? Opinions?
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| Fraser on 07:37 - Nov 20 with 1280 views | BlueBoots |
Think Fraser can play either role (deeper or behind the front man) well, but I think it's down to the type of opposition. For the wide roles, if teams come out and give us a game and defend with a high line, we should exploit that with the pace of Edwards and Burns to run in behind, but if teams are going to park the bus, I think Celina and Aluko are more suited to those games.
Personally, wouldn't play Celina as a 10, so it'd be a choice between Chaplin who's more likely to get you a goal, or Fraser who's more likely to create a chance... |  |
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| Fraser on 07:56 - Nov 20 with 1244 views | quad |
| Fraser on 07:37 - Nov 20 by BlueBoots |
Think Fraser can play either role (deeper or behind the front man) well, but I think it's down to the type of opposition. For the wide roles, if teams come out and give us a game and defend with a high line, we should exploit that with the pace of Edwards and Burns to run in behind, but if teams are going to park the bus, I think Celina and Aluko are more suited to those games.
Personally, wouldn't play Celina as a 10, so it'd be a choice between Chaplin who's more likely to get you a goal, or Fraser who's more likely to create a chance... |
I think I agree with all that. I suppose what I'm trying to ask is if Chaplin is considered a nailed-on starter right now? | | | |
| Fraser on 08:35 - Nov 20 with 1150 views | StokieBlue |
Some context needed here (I posted this stats).
He created a lot of chances but only has 2 assists and 1 goal so whilst the numbers look good, the quality of the chances aren't taken into account. They must all be low xG chances.
Contrast that to Celina who has 3 assists and 3 goals from less chances created which implies the chances he does create are of a better quality and more likely to result in a goal.
Would be interesting to know how the BBC calculates the chances stats.
For me, he's behind Celina who I would always try and start.
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| Fraser on 09:15 - Nov 20 with 1033 views | quad |
| Fraser on 08:35 - Nov 20 by StokieBlue |
Some context needed here (I posted this stats).
He created a lot of chances but only has 2 assists and 1 goal so whilst the numbers look good, the quality of the chances aren't taken into account. They must all be low xG chances.
Contrast that to Celina who has 3 assists and 3 goals from less chances created which implies the chances he does create are of a better quality and more likely to result in a goal.
Would be interesting to know how the BBC calculates the chances stats.
For me, he's behind Celina who I would always try and start.
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Fair comment. That's why I don't really like stats as they can be misleading.
I would play Celina and Aluko. But I don't know who I'd go with for the other position.
Edwards has been frustrating with no end product. Aluko should start ahead of Burns on the right (Burns was poor against Oxford and Aluko better suited to Sunderland game as he's more of a physical presence which they don't like).
So for me it's between Chaplin and Fraser for the other position I think. | | | |
| Fraser on 09:16 - Nov 20 with 1029 views | StokieBlue |
| Fraser on 09:15 - Nov 20 by quad |
Fair comment. That's why I don't really like stats as they can be misleading.
I would play Celina and Aluko. But I don't know who I'd go with for the other position.
Edwards has been frustrating with no end product. Aluko should start ahead of Burns on the right (Burns was poor against Oxford and Aluko better suited to Sunderland game as he's more of a physical presence which they don't like).
So for me it's between Chaplin and Fraser for the other position I think. |
It's a very hard decision.
We have 6 quality players for 3 positions.
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| Fraser on 09:27 - Nov 20 with 988 views | Dubtractor |
I'm still struggling to love Fraser. I've not seen every game by a long way, and also not seen him in the deeper position, but I've seen his lack of pace and physicality be a bit of an issue in the games I have seen. He clearly is a great technician with the ball, but I'd be hard pushed to pick him above Edwards, Chaplin or Celina in either the AM or LW positions based on what I've seen.
We all know that Edwards can be frustrating, but against Oxford his defensive work was good, and he was still involved in a lot of our (ultimately frustrating) attacking play. |  |
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| Fraser on 09:42 - Nov 20 with 954 views | gordon |
| Fraser on 09:27 - Nov 20 by Dubtractor |
I'm still struggling to love Fraser. I've not seen every game by a long way, and also not seen him in the deeper position, but I've seen his lack of pace and physicality be a bit of an issue in the games I have seen. He clearly is a great technician with the ball, but I'd be hard pushed to pick him above Edwards, Chaplin or Celina in either the AM or LW positions based on what I've seen.
We all know that Edwards can be frustrating, but against Oxford his defensive work was good, and he was still involved in a lot of our (ultimately frustrating) attacking play. |
Agreed, for me I think we need lots of energy and pace and tracking back in those attacking positions to be able to defend as well as attack, and I think if Celina is picked, then there isn't room for another player who doesn't contribute that much defensively. For me it's two of Aluko, Edwards and Burns in the wide positions, and then Celina or Chaplin at 10. |  | | |
| Fraser on 10:59 - Nov 20 with 810 views | Keaneish |
I think most of those came in the Col U game! I agree, I was unsure about him at first but seeing him in his preferred role I’d really like to see how him and Morsy do as a pair. I think their different abilities will be really complimentary in there and I’m sure it’ll be an outstanding pairing after a few games in. I can’t see Evans losing his place any time soon though.
If it were me I’d play all three and move Celina to the left. I think Fraser’s deep runs as an 8 would be equally as good as having a 10 in there and if it’s not working, bring Chaplin on as a 10. [Post edited 20 Nov 2021 11:12]
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| Fraser on 11:20 - Nov 20 with 763 views | franz_tyson |
Much as I like the x-factor of both Celina and Edwards, I think Chaplin and Fraser would offer more consistency over the course of the season.
Wouldn’t be ideal round peg, round hole as neither are natural wide men, but they tend to work well together down the left with neat interplay and Fraser has great vision and weight of passing. Don’t think he needs to do step-overs or beats defenders to create chances. Fraser is an option as an 8, but not physical enough for me and expect Evans to be the 8 for the foreseeable future and maybe El Miz next in line.
Whoever plays on the left, I think Chaplin should be the 10. I do wonder if Celina has been given too many credit points so far to take that position as his own. But if he gets shunted to the left….. can he track back and do the defensive grunt work? Maybe a reason he gets the 10 position as Cook doesn’t trust him to do the hard yards. | | | |
| Fraser on 11:30 - Nov 20 with 747 views | Keaneish |
| Fraser on 11:20 - Nov 20 by franz_tyson |
Much as I like the x-factor of both Celina and Edwards, I think Chaplin and Fraser would offer more consistency over the course of the season.
Wouldn’t be ideal round peg, round hole as neither are natural wide men, but they tend to work well together down the left with neat interplay and Fraser has great vision and weight of passing. Don’t think he needs to do step-overs or beats defenders to create chances. Fraser is an option as an 8, but not physical enough for me and expect Evans to be the 8 for the foreseeable future and maybe El Miz next in line.
Whoever plays on the left, I think Chaplin should be the 10. I do wonder if Celina has been given too many credit points so far to take that position as his own. But if he gets shunted to the left….. can he track back and do the defensive grunt work? Maybe a reason he gets the 10 position as Cook doesn’t trust him to do the hard yards. |
Do we need to play with a 10 when Fraser breaks so we’ll from deep as an 8 would be my question? I think Fraser would score a fair return in this side, Lee Bowyer-esq for Leeds. With Evans and Morsy there we have physical presence enough. | |
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| Fraser on 12:03 - Nov 20 with 690 views | Dyland |
Top number 10. Not effective enough as a wider player to be a nailed on starter in this group of players though. If we played total football you could possibly accommodate Fraser and Celina and Chaplin in the same team, but we don't play total football, and defensively it would be a shambles against anyone but a really delusional lower division team that thought they were Barca (i.e. Ipswich under Lambert). |  |
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| Fraser on 12:09 - Nov 20 with 663 views | chicoazul |
| Fraser on 09:27 - Nov 20 by Dubtractor |
I'm still struggling to love Fraser. I've not seen every game by a long way, and also not seen him in the deeper position, but I've seen his lack of pace and physicality be a bit of an issue in the games I have seen. He clearly is a great technician with the ball, but I'd be hard pushed to pick him above Edwards, Chaplin or Celina in either the AM or LW positions based on what I've seen.
We all know that Edwards can be frustrating, but against Oxford his defensive work was good, and he was still involved in a lot of our (ultimately frustrating) attacking play. |
Feel like Fraser is a player you bring in against a low block team. I’d like to see him given a crack instead of Evans. |  |
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| Fraser on 12:23 - Nov 20 with 627 views | Dyland |
| Fraser on 09:15 - Nov 20 by quad |
Fair comment. That's why I don't really like stats as they can be misleading.
I would play Celina and Aluko. But I don't know who I'd go with for the other position.
Edwards has been frustrating with no end product. Aluko should start ahead of Burns on the right (Burns was poor against Oxford and Aluko better suited to Sunderland game as he's more of a physical presence which they don't like).
So for me it's between Chaplin and Fraser for the other position I think. |
Burns is plenty physical but I see what you mean. Aluko more so. I think yer have to start Burns though. Not sure why he still doesn't really last games, maybe it's normal for someone who burns pace excuse the pun. And maybe they are working on his fitness levels. | |
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| Fraser on 12:24 - Nov 20 with 626 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Im a Scott Fraser fan, I think he should start, I'm just not sure where. |  |
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| Fraser on 12:25 - Nov 20 with 622 views | Dyland |
| Fraser on 12:24 - Nov 20 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
Im a Scott Fraser fan, I think he should start, I'm just not sure where. |
Hi Paul Lambert :) | |
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