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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines 22:27 - Dec 1 with 3510 viewsgtsb1966

who knows what's next but this has the potential to turn very very nasty and I don't just mean the virus.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59497462
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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:33 - Dec 1 with 2135 viewsStokieBlue

What do you think should happen?

How about no covid treatment for those that don't take the jabs because it's stopping other people getting essential medical care?

Would you support that?

If not why should someone with an emergency not of their own fault have to not get treatment for an emergency covid patient who could have avoided it by gettting a vaccine >2 billion people have had without many issues?

What would you say if someone you loved couldn't get an ICU bed for a problem because it was taken with a someone who hadn't had the vaccine and wouldn't have been there if they had?

You're quick to complain, let's hear some honest responses on real problems from you.

SB
[Post edited 1 Dec 2021 22:34]

In the pocket of big farmer.

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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:36 - Dec 1 with 2118 viewsgtsb1966

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:33 - Dec 1 by StokieBlue

What do you think should happen?

How about no covid treatment for those that don't take the jabs because it's stopping other people getting essential medical care?

Would you support that?

If not why should someone with an emergency not of their own fault have to not get treatment for an emergency covid patient who could have avoided it by gettting a vaccine >2 billion people have had without many issues?

What would you say if someone you loved couldn't get an ICU bed for a problem because it was taken with a someone who hadn't had the vaccine and wouldn't have been there if they had?

You're quick to complain, let's hear some honest responses on real problems from you.

SB
[Post edited 1 Dec 2021 22:34]


Im triple jabbed. I'm talking about the people who won't get jabbed. Start making it compulsory and/or fining those people and there will be serious disorder. That's all I'm saying.
P.s...i haven't complained about anything here.
[Post edited 1 Dec 2021 22:38]
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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:37 - Dec 1 with 2109 viewsStokieBlue

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:36 - Dec 1 by gtsb1966

Im triple jabbed. I'm talking about the people who won't get jabbed. Start making it compulsory and/or fining those people and there will be serious disorder. That's all I'm saying.
P.s...i haven't complained about anything here.
[Post edited 1 Dec 2021 22:38]


That is fair, you've not specifically complained in this post but you have previously and that is my context.

You've not answered anything I've asked.

Why not?

Tell us what you think. Stop posting little sentences and have a proper view.

SB
[Post edited 1 Dec 2021 22:39]

In the pocket of big farmer.

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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:41 - Dec 1 with 2059 viewsgtsb1966

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:37 - Dec 1 by StokieBlue

That is fair, you've not specifically complained in this post but you have previously and that is my context.

You've not answered anything I've asked.

Why not?

Tell us what you think. Stop posting little sentences and have a proper view.

SB
[Post edited 1 Dec 2021 22:39]


I'll post what I want. I'm merely pointing out that if you start forcing people it could get and will get nasty. Should they get the jab... absolutely.
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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:44 - Dec 1 with 2035 viewsSwansea_Blue

Something’s got to be done. We’ve dropped down to about 38th in the list of countries based on %age of population double jabbed.

It probably needs a combination of stick and mostly carrot, but we have to get the vaccine rate up if we’re going to stand a chance of beating it.

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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:49 - Dec 1 with 2006 viewsfooters

Great. Let the Army deal with them.

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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:51 - Dec 1 with 1992 viewsgtsb1966

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:44 - Dec 1 by Swansea_Blue

Something’s got to be done. We’ve dropped down to about 38th in the list of countries based on %age of population double jabbed.

It probably needs a combination of stick and mostly carrot, but we have to get the vaccine rate up if we’re going to stand a chance of beating it.


I agree but I can still see unrest in some countries. I think everyone should be jabbed but unfortunately I can see the ones who refuse and then get things forced upon them causing unrest.
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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 23:51 - Dec 1 with 1877 viewsfactual_blue

Excellent article today in The Guardian pointing out that those who bleat nowadays about restrictions masks etc wouldn't have coped with the even greater raft of minor inconveniences people had to put up with during wartime Britain, our last great existential crisis.

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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 00:25 - Dec 2 with 1842 viewsRyorry

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 23:51 - Dec 1 by factual_blue

Excellent article today in The Guardian pointing out that those who bleat nowadays about restrictions masks etc wouldn't have coped with the even greater raft of minor inconveniences people had to put up with during wartime Britain, our last great existential crisis.


Whilst people mostly did grit their teeth & get on with it in the UK during WW2, it was by no means all pulling together all the way, some people have too rosy a view of it (not saying you).

Remember a convo with my Mum (R.I.P.) who at a very tender age, 17 I believe, was made a charge-hand (cos she was well-educated) in a munitions factory. She said there was a fair bit of petty pilfering of materials as well as some workshy people, albeit a minority, & that was the case in other places too.

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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 00:29 - Dec 2 with 1830 viewsfactual_blue

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 00:25 - Dec 2 by Ryorry

Whilst people mostly did grit their teeth & get on with it in the UK during WW2, it was by no means all pulling together all the way, some people have too rosy a view of it (not saying you).

Remember a convo with my Mum (R.I.P.) who at a very tender age, 17 I believe, was made a charge-hand (cos she was well-educated) in a munitions factory. She said there was a fair bit of petty pilfering of materials as well as some workshy people, albeit a minority, & that was the case in other places too.


During the four months of the London Blitz from September to December 1941, a total of 4,584 cases of looting were heard by the Old Bailey court.

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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 16:22 - Dec 2 with 1527 viewseastangliaisblue

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 00:25 - Dec 2 by Ryorry

Whilst people mostly did grit their teeth & get on with it in the UK during WW2, it was by no means all pulling together all the way, some people have too rosy a view of it (not saying you).

Remember a convo with my Mum (R.I.P.) who at a very tender age, 17 I believe, was made a charge-hand (cos she was well-educated) in a munitions factory. She said there was a fair bit of petty pilfering of materials as well as some workshy people, albeit a minority, & that was the case in other places too.


Well known gangsters like Frankie Fraser were gutted when the war ended because they got away with so much criminality.
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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 16:37 - Dec 2 with 1484 viewsSarge

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:33 - Dec 1 by StokieBlue

What do you think should happen?

How about no covid treatment for those that don't take the jabs because it's stopping other people getting essential medical care?

Would you support that?

If not why should someone with an emergency not of their own fault have to not get treatment for an emergency covid patient who could have avoided it by gettting a vaccine >2 billion people have had without many issues?

What would you say if someone you loved couldn't get an ICU bed for a problem because it was taken with a someone who hadn't had the vaccine and wouldn't have been there if they had?

You're quick to complain, let's hear some honest responses on real problems from you.

SB
[Post edited 1 Dec 2021 22:34]


I think this is a perfectly fair and reasonable response, allowing those who don’t want vaccines to continue to live their lives until such point that their choice may catch up with them. I think there is a difference between anti vaxxers and people who just don’t want the vaccine and demonising, ostracising, or vaccinating the latter against their will doesn’t sit well with me.

I’m sure policing it would be nigh on impossible but there we are.
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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 16:42 - Dec 2 with 1459 viewsjontysnut

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:33 - Dec 1 by StokieBlue

What do you think should happen?

How about no covid treatment for those that don't take the jabs because it's stopping other people getting essential medical care?

Would you support that?

If not why should someone with an emergency not of their own fault have to not get treatment for an emergency covid patient who could have avoided it by gettting a vaccine >2 billion people have had without many issues?

What would you say if someone you loved couldn't get an ICU bed for a problem because it was taken with a someone who hadn't had the vaccine and wouldn't have been there if they had?

You're quick to complain, let's hear some honest responses on real problems from you.

SB
[Post edited 1 Dec 2021 22:34]


I've been on a bus where despite face coverings being mandatory I was in a minority. 'Mandatory' means nothing to people who either actively refuse or can't be arsed. It's pointless. There might be the odd person who gets dragged through the court or refused entry to somewhere but it's not going to change behaviour of that big chunck of people who effectively opt out of something designed to safeguard us all.
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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 16:48 - Dec 2 with 1430 viewsThe_Major

They need to come up with something sharpish. 54k new cases today.

That's roughly a full Anfield or everyone in Clacton. Mind boggling.
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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 17:28 - Dec 2 with 1386 viewsbluelagos

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 16:37 - Dec 2 by Sarge

I think this is a perfectly fair and reasonable response, allowing those who don’t want vaccines to continue to live their lives until such point that their choice may catch up with them. I think there is a difference between anti vaxxers and people who just don’t want the vaccine and demonising, ostracising, or vaccinating the latter against their will doesn’t sit well with me.

I’m sure policing it would be nigh on impossible but there we are.


Argued this with a "mandatory vaccer" today who whilst accepting holding people down wasn't practical, felt large fines were the way forward for those who refuse. Apparently Austria are talking like 3000+ Euros (According to him)

Two problems that I see here. (Aside from the ethical ones) Firstly there are reports in Holland of people paying getting others to get their jab. Introduce large fines and you can see that happening here.

Secondly the idea that we should "fine" people for stupidity. Whilst it might raise a fair bit of money, it's not really where we want to go as a society.

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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 17:52 - Dec 2 with 1351 viewsStokieBlue

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 17:28 - Dec 2 by bluelagos

Argued this with a "mandatory vaccer" today who whilst accepting holding people down wasn't practical, felt large fines were the way forward for those who refuse. Apparently Austria are talking like 3000+ Euros (According to him)

Two problems that I see here. (Aside from the ethical ones) Firstly there are reports in Holland of people paying getting others to get their jab. Introduce large fines and you can see that happening here.

Secondly the idea that we should "fine" people for stupidity. Whilst it might raise a fair bit of money, it's not really where we want to go as a society.


Playing devils advocate (and not voicing an opinion either way), lets say someone you know requires admission to the ICU but there are no beds to treat them because they are full of unvaccinated covid patients, patients that have an extremely high chance of not being there if they are vaccinated.

How would you feel then? Their actions are directly affecting you and probably doing harm to someone you know - is that more or less unfair than making them have a jab?

SB

In the pocket of big farmer.

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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 17:57 - Dec 2 with 1323 viewsbluelagos

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 17:52 - Dec 2 by StokieBlue

Playing devils advocate (and not voicing an opinion either way), lets say someone you know requires admission to the ICU but there are no beds to treat them because they are full of unvaccinated covid patients, patients that have an extremely high chance of not being there if they are vaccinated.

How would you feel then? Their actions are directly affecting you and probably doing harm to someone you know - is that more or less unfair than making them have a jab?

SB


I don't think that would happen as the justification for a lockdown (one of them) is to protect the NHS from being overrun. So we would presumably get to a lockdown before your scenario played out.

What I would concede was that if we have to have another lockdown, due to high rates of hospitalisations of unvaccinated patients, I'd be extremely p*ssed off with them.

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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 18:27 - Dec 2 with 1283 viewsMookamoo

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 17:57 - Dec 2 by bluelagos

I don't think that would happen as the justification for a lockdown (one of them) is to protect the NHS from being overrun. So we would presumably get to a lockdown before your scenario played out.

What I would concede was that if we have to have another lockdown, due to high rates of hospitalisations of unvaccinated patients, I'd be extremely p*ssed off with them.


Are we not just bumbling towards and January lockdown (if not before)? I can't see any other way to avoid it, other than sanctioning those that choose to be unvaccinated.

Simple choice between some of us getting to go out or none of us going anywhere for a bit.
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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 18:41 - Dec 2 with 1252 viewsThe_Last_Baron

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 22:44 - Dec 1 by Swansea_Blue

Something’s got to be done. We’ve dropped down to about 38th in the list of countries based on %age of population double jabbed.

It probably needs a combination of stick and mostly carrot, but we have to get the vaccine rate up if we’re going to stand a chance of beating it.


Nuremberg code.

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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 18:42 - Dec 2 with 1248 viewspositivity

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 18:41 - Dec 2 by The_Last_Baron

Nuremberg code.


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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 18:49 - Dec 2 with 1239 viewsgiant_ullaa

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 18:27 - Dec 2 by Mookamoo

Are we not just bumbling towards and January lockdown (if not before)? I can't see any other way to avoid it, other than sanctioning those that choose to be unvaccinated.

Simple choice between some of us getting to go out or none of us going anywhere for a bit.


That simple choice assumes mandatory vaccinations would work and get the rest of the population jabbed up. Not so sure myself... think many would dig in on principal. That's just a practical concerm - ethically, I think mandatory vaccines are horrible and set a very dangerous precident, just when other freedoms are threatened too.
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Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry.
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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 19:22 - Dec 2 with 1169 viewsStokieBlue

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 18:41 - Dec 2 by The_Last_Baron

Nuremberg code.


This has been explained to you loads of times that this is rubbish.

It's just trolling now, like the vast majority of your posts.

SB

In the pocket of big farmer.

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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 19:23 - Dec 2 with 1148 viewsvictorywilhappen

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 18:41 - Dec 2 by The_Last_Baron

Nuremberg code.


The ten points of the Nuremberg Code
The ten points of the code were given in the section of the judges' verdict entitled "Permissible Medical Experiments'

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment. The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs, or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity.[13]
The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.
The experiment should be so designed and based on the results of animal experimentation and a knowledge of the natural history of the disease or other problem under study that the anticipated results will justify the performance of the experiment.
The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.
No experiment should be conducted where there is an a priori reason to believe that death or disabling injury will occur; except, perhaps, in those experiments where the experimental physicians also serve as subjects.
The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.
Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury, disability, or death.
The experiment should be conducted only by scientifically qualified persons. The highest degree of skill and care should be required through all stages of the experiment of those who conduct or engage in the experiment.
During the course of the experiment the human subject should be at liberty to bring the experiment to an end if he has reached the physical or mental state where continuation of the experiment seems to him to be impossible.
During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgment required of him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject......which part?
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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 19:26 - Dec 2 with 1129 viewsfooters

Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 18:41 - Dec 2 by The_Last_Baron

Nuremberg code.


Pretty much every point of the Nuremberg Code is irrelevant as far as covid is concerned.

But it's no surprise to see your pathetic trolling move from Brexit to the pandemic.

Stick to collecting replica shirts like a schoolboy.

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Mandatory jabs, monthly fines on 19:28 - Dec 2 with 1117 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Mega government's going to mega govern!!

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