| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. 15:49 - Dec 2 with 5330 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Can anyone name a few managers who came into a club that's been failing for years and turned them round in just one transfer window? I remember the days we used to think 2 or 3 windows were fair.
Did anyone genuinely think EVERY signing would work out this summer? When you go through what Cook has signed, they seem more hit than miss I'd say.
Mick obviously stopped the rot briefly when he came in, and pulled us away from relegation. Ultimately, over the course of his tenure, we were treading water really. We weren't moving forward.
Are there any more/better? I genuinely don't know and am genuinely interested (rather than looking for abuse, so try to be kind). |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 15:52 - Dec 2 with 2439 views | tractorboy1978 |
Wigan this season is a good example. They were a far bigger mess than us. If I'm honest I expected us to be where they are right now. |  | | |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 15:55 - Dec 2 with 2413 views | chrismakin |
Yeah leam Richardson with his assistant PC at pompy and Wigan ;)
2nd point
19 players.. not all pcs choosing. Problem.. pcs reluctance to chance shape to make the most of the players he has available.
We need a head coach not a manager.
Back to you first point. Pc brought it on himself. Replacing a squad who were 7th and making it worse. It's quite incredible really. Still time to change it. But when you rip a squad apart you open yourself up.
Being close to promotion would be minimal expectation if not getting it. Being so far off.. not good enough. |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:04 - Dec 2 with 2378 views | ITFC_Forever |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 15:55 - Dec 2 by chrismakin |
Yeah leam Richardson with his assistant PC at pompy and Wigan ;)
2nd point
19 players.. not all pcs choosing. Problem.. pcs reluctance to chance shape to make the most of the players he has available.
We need a head coach not a manager.
Back to you first point. Pc brought it on himself. Replacing a squad who were 7th and making it worse. It's quite incredible really. Still time to change it. But when you rip a squad apart you open yourself up.
Being close to promotion would be minimal expectation if not getting it. Being so far off.. not good enough. |
Not all PC's choosing??? |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:12 - Dec 2 with 2345 views | chrismakin |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:04 - Dec 2 by ITFC_Forever |
Not all PC's choosing??? |
10000% not a chance PC chose all 19 players
Why on earth would you go out an purchase players who don't suit your very restricted 4 2 3 1
A CB who's been in a back 3
A CM who's been in a central 3
A winger who can't score or cross for sht.
A midfielder who you stick as dcm and then as a 10 as you don't know what player he is
We know he wanted Jacobs.
We know he wanted crooks. Bradley.
We know he wanted a few more Wigan players.
No doubts PC struggled to get who he wanted but as he'd got rid of our squad ashton had no choice but to get involved himself to fill up the squad with players.
You don't sign players who don't suit your formation especially when you have 0 alternative to it | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:17 - Dec 2 with 2312 views | itfcjoe |
Mark Robins at Coventry - a club had gone backwards for years....
Appointed March 2017.
Promoted from League 2 17-18
8th in League 1
League 1 Champions
16th in Championship
And for all the talk of there being 'so much wrong' at ITFC, Evans was just hapless - their owners had kicked them out of their ground and City. We don't know what proper hardship is. |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:17 - Dec 2 with 2305 views | Swansea_Blue |
There you go, you can sort Transfermarkt by incoming and outgoings. We top the list, but several clubs had 20+ new arrivals. Most clubs in the league signed 14+ new players and shipped out a similar number. I'm not sure it tells you much other than turnover is pretty high for the vast majority. It doesn't tell you how many of those are 1st team regulars though.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-one/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/GB3
PS, that's more about managers having to deal with largely new squads rather than them being new to the club themselves. Here's a list of a mangers by time at club. https://www.matchdayapp.com/blog/current-premier-league-and-football-league-mana
Danny Cowley probably best comparator in terms of time at club and large scale changes. [Post edited 2 Dec 2021 16:25]
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:18 - Dec 2 with 2304 views | Dubtractor |
Most clubs evolve over transfer windows, with 4 or 5 key signings, and see gradual improvement.
We've brought in 19 players, at huge cost relative ti the division, expecting quick results. Players like morsy, celina, bonne, Walton, Edmondson etc will be on wages that other players in this division can only dream of.
And we're 11th.
I really don't know why anyone us surprised that a large chunk of our fan base are demanding more. |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:20 - Dec 2 with 2281 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 15:52 - Dec 2 by tractorboy1978 |
Wigan this season is a good example. They were a far bigger mess than us. If I'm honest I expected us to be where they are right now. |
I didn't think Wigan were in that much of a mess at the start of this season? And also, Richardson was already there wasn't he? | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:21 - Dec 2 with 2267 views | chrismakin |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:20 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I didn't think Wigan were in that much of a mess at the start of this season? And also, Richardson was already there wasn't he? |
PC was already here lol. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:23 - Dec 2 with 2261 views | Dubtractor |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:20 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I didn't think Wigan were in that much of a mess at the start of this season? And also, Richardson was already there wasn't he? |
Mate, if you're just going to ignore the evidence in front of you then there is no point even asking questions.
Wigan started last season with a scratch team of kids having nearly gone out of business. Cook was already in charge of us too in case you forget.
And we weren't a mess, we were just perennial under achievers. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:23 - Dec 2 with 2257 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 15:55 - Dec 2 by chrismakin |
Yeah leam Richardson with his assistant PC at pompy and Wigan ;)
2nd point
19 players.. not all pcs choosing. Problem.. pcs reluctance to chance shape to make the most of the players he has available.
We need a head coach not a manager.
Back to you first point. Pc brought it on himself. Replacing a squad who were 7th and making it worse. It's quite incredible really. Still time to change it. But when you rip a squad apart you open yourself up.
Being close to promotion would be minimal expectation if not getting it. Being so far off.. not good enough. |
I think it's a fair point to say that Cook created this himself by throwing EVERYONE under the bus. But that's not what I was asking in my OP.
Did he and Richardson go into both Wigan and Pompey and turn them around in 1 transfer window?
I certainly think if we finish as far off as we are now, that's not good enough. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:27 - Dec 2 with 2222 views | footers |
Cook was given the money to shop at Fortnum and Mason, yet we're all still being served Rustlers burgers. Enough of the excuses. |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:27 - Dec 2 with 2218 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:17 - Dec 2 by itfcjoe |
Mark Robins at Coventry - a club had gone backwards for years....
Appointed March 2017.
Promoted from League 2 17-18
8th in League 1
League 1 Champions
16th in Championship
And for all the talk of there being 'so much wrong' at ITFC, Evans was just hapless - their owners had kicked them out of their ground and City. We don't know what proper hardship is. |
Whilst that's an excellent shout for turning a club around, that's several transfer windows he's had there. Certainly even with 2 Cook will struggle to get us up this year, but he's still currently on 1 window.
But yeah, that's an excellent job, I'll grant you that. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:28 - Dec 2 with 2211 views | DanTheMan |
Ranieri did alright with Leicester I guess. |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:29 - Dec 2 with 2208 views | RadioOrwell |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:18 - Dec 2 by Dubtractor |
Most clubs evolve over transfer windows, with 4 or 5 key signings, and see gradual improvement.
We've brought in 19 players, at huge cost relative ti the division, expecting quick results. Players like morsy, celina, bonne, Walton, Edmondson etc will be on wages that other players in this division can only dream of.
And we're 11th.
I really don't know why anyone us surprised that a large chunk of our fan base are demanding more. |
The moment for me that depressed me the most was when, after Crewe, PC went all ... give them credit, they worked hard, good players ...
FFS how low do we have to go ?
That should be 3 or 4 nil.
Oh and last night ... 2-0 at half time against kids.
FFS |  | | |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:30 - Dec 2 with 2193 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:17 - Dec 2 by Swansea_Blue |
There you go, you can sort Transfermarkt by incoming and outgoings. We top the list, but several clubs had 20+ new arrivals. Most clubs in the league signed 14+ new players and shipped out a similar number. I'm not sure it tells you much other than turnover is pretty high for the vast majority. It doesn't tell you how many of those are 1st team regulars though.
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/league-one/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/GB3
PS, that's more about managers having to deal with largely new squads rather than them being new to the club themselves. Here's a list of a mangers by time at club. https://www.matchdayapp.com/blog/current-premier-league-and-football-league-mana
Danny Cowley probably best comparator in terms of time at club and large scale changes. [Post edited 2 Dec 2021 16:25]
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I was asking about turning a club around (that's been failing for years) as well. Not sure Cowley counts (yet). They're only just above us currently. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:32 - Dec 2 with 2178 views | DanTheMan |
Here's a fun one.
Paul Lambert for Norwich.
Just to add meat to the bones.
Previous finishes:
9th
16th
17th
22nd
Obvious downwards trajectory.
Lambert comes in after two games, Norwich win the League. I believe that's one transfer window and instant success. [Post edited 2 Dec 2021 16:43]
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:33 - Dec 2 with 2169 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:18 - Dec 2 by Dubtractor |
Most clubs evolve over transfer windows, with 4 or 5 key signings, and see gradual improvement.
We've brought in 19 players, at huge cost relative ti the division, expecting quick results. Players like morsy, celina, bonne, Walton, Edmondson etc will be on wages that other players in this division can only dream of.
And we're 11th.
I really don't know why anyone us surprised that a large chunk of our fan base are demanding more. |
I'm not surprised... but given what you yourself have laid out, I AM surprised some thought it would work immediately, and that those players (regardless of wages) would all work out immediately.
It could certainly be argued that Cook has tried to change too much too quickly, but that's not what I'm asking in this thread. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:33 - Dec 2 with 2154 views | chrismakin |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:23 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I think it's a fair point to say that Cook created this himself by throwing EVERYONE under the bus. But that's not what I was asking in my OP.
Did he and Richardson go into both Wigan and Pompey and turn them around in 1 transfer window?
I certainly think if we finish as far off as we are now, that's not good enough. |
Well at pompy he signed a shed load of players. When he joined in 2015
Pre season was fairly solid
Started season with no loss in first 10 games I think it was... ended up losing in play offs but were top end all season.
Following season.promotion after buying more players.
Wigan.. went in brought load of players.
Unbeaten in first 8 games.
Top end of table all season. Promotion. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:34 - Dec 2 with 2152 views | Pinewoodblue |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 15:55 - Dec 2 by chrismakin |
Yeah leam Richardson with his assistant PC at pompy and Wigan ;)
2nd point
19 players.. not all pcs choosing. Problem.. pcs reluctance to chance shape to make the most of the players he has available.
We need a head coach not a manager.
Back to you first point. Pc brought it on himself. Replacing a squad who were 7th and making it worse. It's quite incredible really. Still time to change it. But when you rip a squad apart you open yourself up.
Being close to promotion would be minimal expectation if not getting it. Being so far off.. not good enough. |
Paul Cook has managed to improve the squad but failed miserably to improve the team. |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:35 - Dec 2 with 2145 views | homer_123 |
Allardyce and Warnock spring to mind. Many a time they've been parachuted into ailing Clubs and turned them around. |  |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:37 - Dec 2 with 2120 views | footers |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:33 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm not surprised... but given what you yourself have laid out, I AM surprised some thought it would work immediately, and that those players (regardless of wages) would all work out immediately.
It could certainly be argued that Cook has tried to change too much too quickly, but that's not what I'm asking in this thread. |
Are the players responsible for Cook's line-ups or horrific in-game management?
There's only so much blame that they can shoulder, some has to be Cook's. And it's certainly not been good enough. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:37 - Dec 2 with 2116 views | Pinewoodblue |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:30 - Dec 2 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I was asking about turning a club around (that's been failing for years) as well. Not sure Cowley counts (yet). They're only just above us currently. |
Cowley’s have a dozen players out of contract end of season, they didn’t set out to do it in one go. Cook did by offloading as many as he could. | |
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| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:38 - Dec 2 with 2102 views | HARRY10 |
Maybe because they did not have the 19 new signings, all the hype and talk of 'may God have mercy on L1, because we won't'.
Just who is it that Cook was not able to sign, that he will in the future ? | | | |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:38 - Dec 2 with 2099 views | chrismakin |
| One transfer window. I've asked a couple of times now and no-one's answered. on 16:37 - Dec 2 by footers |
Are the players responsible for Cook's line-ups or horrific in-game management?
There's only so much blame that they can shoulder, some has to be Cook's. And it's certainly not been good enough. |
I'd have loved to have seen their faces last week when the whiteboard showed fraser. Celina. Chaplin.. | |
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