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the stick that Cook is getting from the numbskulls on Twitter and here really does beggar belief.
He inherited a team that had no style, couldn’t score and may as well have not bothered turning up against any top of the table sides.
Ok, he’s been backed financially and results haven’t been great.. but we’re half way through a season and up there with the top scorers in the league and had a couple of massive results against good sides. The biggest issues have been solved, now we just need to tighten up at the other end and we’ll be flying. Get a grip and get behind the team!
spot on cleggo,drama queens was a great line as well loads on here and all have a big voice now via youtube etc thinking they speak for everyone, abusing cooky for being scouse and from liverpool which is a great city by the way is pathetic and disrespectful. i have watched a couple of those online shows and turned off very quickly not for me all the bashing of players and the manager,most of them have probably never kicked a ball :)
we were never going to get the chalobahs, frasers, gios, lawrences, even if we'd gone up
we might have a chance with walton, celina & bonne (you can't argue that we're over-reliant on barry!)
You can argue that Barry was part of a chaotic and unnecessary recruitment plan though. Cook gambled massively on this Demolition Man tag and has done more damage to his reputation than anything else.
We've got a keeper who was quickly replaced as 1st choice, a young starlet who can't get a kick, at least 2 midfielders who no longer have any sense of identity or a place in the team. A handful of players in a bomb squad who have no future here.
Woolfenden and KVY seem to have gone backwards massively, the left back situation has unravelled and his own trusted CB in Burgess looks completely off the pace too.
All whilst he can't find a three that fits behind a striker that stopped firing once we lost Burns. To talk about culture etc. as he has when he's ultimately responsible for it, strikes me as a man setting up an exit route.
Really we need to see a bit of fight from him, then maybe that will translate into the players too.
spot on cleggo,drama queens was a great line as well loads on here and all have a big voice now via youtube etc thinking they speak for everyone, abusing cooky for being scouse and from liverpool which is a great city by the way is pathetic and disrespectful. i have watched a couple of those online shows and turned off very quickly not for me all the bashing of players and the manager,most of them have probably never kicked a ball :)
Paul, you should really be busy preparing for the game tomorrow mate.
You can argue that Barry was part of a chaotic and unnecessary recruitment plan though. Cook gambled massively on this Demolition Man tag and has done more damage to his reputation than anything else.
We've got a keeper who was quickly replaced as 1st choice, a young starlet who can't get a kick, at least 2 midfielders who no longer have any sense of identity or a place in the team. A handful of players in a bomb squad who have no future here.
Woolfenden and KVY seem to have gone backwards massively, the left back situation has unravelled and his own trusted CB in Burgess looks completely off the pace too.
All whilst he can't find a three that fits behind a striker that stopped firing once we lost Burns. To talk about culture etc. as he has when he's ultimately responsible for it, strikes me as a man setting up an exit route.
Really we need to see a bit of fight from him, then maybe that will translate into the players too.
i think recruitment was essential. look at the players who we let go, large portion of them are lower in the table than us (in league two!)
i agree barry wasn't needed once celina became available
don't write kvy/woolfenden off just yet, the injuries/mcguinness-experience would take a while for anyone to get over
i think recruitment was essential. look at the players who we let go, large portion of them are lower in the table than us (in league two!)
i agree barry wasn't needed once celina became available
don't write kvy/woolfenden off just yet, the injuries/mcguinness-experience would take a while for anyone to get over
It's not me that seems to have written them off.
I don't think anyone can argue that new players weren't, that isn't what I've said. But the level of churn and precedent of it being successful was a choice and one that didn't need to be made.
It's not binary, despite the efforts of a few on here. Squad building is fine, the options aren't no new players or all new players. No one does that do they?
I don't think anyone can argue that new players weren't, that isn't what I've said. But the level of churn and precedent of it being successful was a choice and one that didn't need to be made.
It's not binary, despite the efforts of a few on here. Squad building is fine, the options aren't no new players or all new players. No one does that do they?
i don't think anyone else has written them off have they?
the level of churn is a factor that means we need patience, but i think it was fairly unavoidable. whether it was the owner's plan to be patient or they expected immediate success may be seen soon.
who'd you have kept (who was amenable to staying)? bish was the only one for me, but i'm not sure he's better than what we've bought.
i don't think anyone else has written them off have they?
the level of churn is a factor that means we need patience, but i think it was fairly unavoidable. whether it was the owner's plan to be patient or they expected immediate success may be seen soon.
who'd you have kept (who was amenable to staying)? bish was the only one for me, but i'm not sure he's better than what we've bought.
I totally disagree it's yet another reason we need to go up. Why have Celina, Morsy, Evans et al here for a year to finish 11th and replace them again?
As for your question I posted on here the other day, dunno why Rommy didn't answer or questioning this squad overhaul is also met with such a challenge.
A positive twist on the stats by SomethingBlue29 Nov 2021 14:34 (Buried a version of this deep in an earlier thread although I was actually one off with one of the figures)
If we carry on our PPG rate since Bolton — 14 games so a reasonable sample size — over the next 26 games we will get 45 more points, meaning we end up on 72. That won't be enough for the play-offs but something between one and two wins on top of that should be, we're looking at 75-78 points for that. Put like this it looks more reasonable to suggest that a pretty small improvement on top of what we are showing now, over a significantly longer run of games, would see us competing in May.
And yes, this is not where any of us wanted to be or thought we'd be ...
I understand some of the stick he's getting. We wanted instant success, along with some people making out like our players would walk this league - "we have a championship team" blah blah.
It seems no-one can wait for anything. If these new investors wanted to go up this season, I think he'd be gone by now.
So it suggests to me, rightly or wrongly, they are willing to wait?
We've been waiting for 16 f-cking years for something even half good to happen - isn't that being patient enough?
I totally disagree it's yet another reason we need to go up. Why have Celina, Morsy, Evans et al here for a year to finish 11th and replace them again?
As for your question I posted on here the other day, dunno why Rommy didn't answer or questioning this squad overhaul is also met with such a challenge.
A positive twist on the stats by SomethingBlue29 Nov 2021 14:34 (Buried a version of this deep in an earlier thread although I was actually one off with one of the figures)
If we carry on our PPG rate since Bolton — 14 games so a reasonable sample size — over the next 26 games we will get 45 more points, meaning we end up on 72. That won't be enough for the play-offs but something between one and two wins on top of that should be, we're looking at 75-78 points for that. Put like this it looks more reasonable to suggest that a pretty small improvement on top of what we are showing now, over a significantly longer run of games, would see us competing in May.
And yes, this is not where any of us wanted to be or thought we'd be ...
that's a fair point about celina, but morsy & evans are our players, so will stay (though morsy may lose faith in the project if we jettison cook i suppose)
not quite sure what the relevance of somethingblue's post was, but i agree with him and hope for that small improvement to get in the playoffs
that's a fair point about celina, but morsy & evans are our players, so will stay (though morsy may lose faith in the project if we jettison cook i suppose)
not quite sure what the relevance of somethingblue's post was, but i agree with him and hope for that small improvement to get in the playoffs
My cursory retained list is on that page hopefully.
The idea we can retain all of these high earning champ players without selling off Edmundson, Edwards or some combination of either is odd too. Likewise the only squads doing well without significant churn would be more akin to a happy medium in retention and demolition wouldn’t it? People are now quibbling over Wigan et al. Which seems utterly futile.
that's a fair point about celina, but morsy & evans are our players, so will stay (though morsy may lose faith in the project if we jettison cook i suppose)
not quite sure what the relevance of somethingblue's post was, but i agree with him and hope for that small improvement to get in the playoffs
We’d need a large improvement over what we’re doing now. The small improvement was over our best run, but we couldn’t sustain that for very long. Or in other words we need to consistently do better than we’ve ever managed under PC. Possible, but highly unlikely. Still, it is what it is.
Heck of a lot of naivety and blind faith on this thread. Cook might come good but it's odds very much against at this point.
Not sure i agree that it's odds against. He has history. As he pointed out in the pre-match:
“I think if you want to look back on some stats, my last season at Wigan up until Christmas, we gave more winning leads away than any team in the division. Post-Christmas, we lost one in 18 I think, it was in the Championship."
"“My job here, like when I’ve been at other jobs, Portsmouth my first year, loads of pain, got in the play-offs. Second year, won the league."
We may be frustrated at how slow progress is but i think the guy has been and still is a good manager at this level and the level above. Very happy to see mcgreal join the staff.
Sometimes change makes things worse. I am not a gambling man. I'll stick!
Come on let's twist again, Like we did last summer! Yeaaah, let's twist again, Like we did last year! Do you remember when, Things were really hummin', Yeaaaah, let's twist again, Twistin' time is here!