| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go 21:16 - Dec 4 with 1436 views | SomethingBlue |
- "Project" manager: young guy like Manning who I'd be thrilled to see here but probably if we were treading water in lower reaches of Champ rather than needing to get up this season (and make no mistake, today's development should disabuse *anyone* of the idea that this squad wasn't built squarely for promotion this year).
- Promotion-specialist manager: Not sure who really fits that, these days, actually if anyone but that's the road we shouldn't go down, it's no guarantee as the game moves on so fast, look at what's happened with promotion specialist Cook.
- Mid-career manager at similar level with potentially higher ceiling: That's Appleton, basically, and perhaps Ryan Lowe fits into this category best even though he's a touch young for it.
What to do? I think we end up with someone in the third category, but I also think if McGreal takes a few games and does particularly well then why rush it — all we should need at this particular point is someone who can get a tune out of these players consistently, whoever that is.
Not an ideal situation to be in, this, but it's seemed somewhat inevitable. |  |
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| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:17 - Dec 4 with 1397 views | Kieran_Knows |
Personally, I think it’ll be very much an up and coming manager with the title ‘Head Coach’ rather than manager and work to a system that Ashton wants to implement.
If that’s the case, I don’t see past Manning at the moment. |  |
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| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:21 - Dec 4 with 1337 views | Herbivore |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:17 - Dec 4 by Kieran_Knows |
Personally, I think it’ll be very much an up and coming manager with the title ‘Head Coach’ rather than manager and work to a system that Ashton wants to implement.
If that’s the case, I don’t see past Manning at the moment. |
He's already got a pub named after him in the town. |  |
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| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:21 - Dec 4 with 1343 views | SomethingBlue |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:17 - Dec 4 by Kieran_Knows |
Personally, I think it’ll be very much an up and coming manager with the title ‘Head Coach’ rather than manager and work to a system that Ashton wants to implement.
If that’s the case, I don’t see past Manning at the moment. |
I just think that's a gamble in terms of us getting up this year — unless Cook has been sacked on different criteria altogether and that's not actually a key issue.
But I would like Manning here and if push came to shove now I'd welcome it, make no mistake, people who know him and have worked with him absolutely rave about his quality and potential. [Post edited 4 Dec 2021 21:22]
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| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:27 - Dec 4 with 1262 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:21 - Dec 4 by SomethingBlue |
I just think that's a gamble in terms of us getting up this year — unless Cook has been sacked on different criteria altogether and that's not actually a key issue.
But I would like Manning here and if push came to shove now I'd welcome it, make no mistake, people who know him and have worked with him absolutely rave about his quality and potential. [Post edited 4 Dec 2021 21:22]
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We’re not going up this year |  |
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| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:27 - Dec 4 with 1260 views | SomethingBlue |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:21 - Dec 4 by Herbivore |
He's already got a pub named after him in the town. |
And an Amusements in Felixstowe, it's all adding up. | |
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| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:28 - Dec 4 with 1243 views | SomethingBlue |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:27 - Dec 4 by Swansea_Blue |
We’re not going up this year |
That's your opinion though, rather than the view and ambition of the board. | |
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| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:32 - Dec 4 with 1174 views | XYZ |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:28 - Dec 4 by SomethingBlue |
That's your opinion though, rather than the view and ambition of the board. |
Yep, it's the "promotion this year please" manager. They didn't spend the money on Celina's one year loan not to be promoted. Hence the timing of Cook's departure. Expect statement signings in January.
Contract to the end of the season. Massive bonus for promotion. [Post edited 4 Dec 2021 21:33]
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| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:32 - Dec 4 with 1179 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:21 - Dec 4 by SomethingBlue |
I just think that's a gamble in terms of us getting up this year — unless Cook has been sacked on different criteria altogether and that's not actually a key issue.
But I would like Manning here and if push came to shove now I'd welcome it, make no mistake, people who know him and have worked with him absolutely rave about his quality and potential. [Post edited 4 Dec 2021 21:22]
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You’re not wrong. Although I think it’s safe to say Cook never quite fitted with what Ashton and Co want to implement here, but gave him the chance. I don’t see why they’d Chuck that all out the window to go down the same route again?
Although I do appreciate the comments about going up. | |
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| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:36 - Dec 4 with 1141 views | SomethingBlue |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:32 - Dec 4 by Kieran_Knows |
You’re not wrong. Although I think it’s safe to say Cook never quite fitted with what Ashton and Co want to implement here, but gave him the chance. I don’t see why they’d Chuck that all out the window to go down the same route again?
Although I do appreciate the comments about going up. |
Your first par is why this is (to me ... maybe Ashton etc are crystal clear) a quandary. Cook was a marriage of convenience because they thought he would be a safe bet to do the first bit and get us up — which is really what we have to do before building something sustainable that looks to go further. He never looked like doing it, so he's gone, but the season is not yet dead by any measure ... so now what? | |
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| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:36 - Dec 4 with 1133 views | fabian_illness |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:21 - Dec 4 by Herbivore |
He's already got a pub named after him in the town. |
Where abouts is "The Head Coach' in town?
I'll give it a look.
Have they got a pool table? |  | | |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:39 - Dec 4 with 1095 views | gordon |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:17 - Dec 4 by Kieran_Knows |
Personally, I think it’ll be very much an up and coming manager with the title ‘Head Coach’ rather than manager and work to a system that Ashton wants to implement.
If that’s the case, I don’t see past Manning at the moment. |
Agreed, but would it be a good career choice for Manning? If he is the real deal he gets MK Dons into the play-offs etc. and then has lots more options - if he chooses Ipswich now and it doesn't work out, he's only got 20 games or so of success in the bank, which won't necessarily get him a decent job afterwards?
Having said that he'd definitely be first choice for me (don't know much about Ryan Lowe tho). |  | | |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:50 - Dec 4 with 1005 views | SomethingBlue |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:39 - Dec 4 by gordon |
Agreed, but would it be a good career choice for Manning? If he is the real deal he gets MK Dons into the play-offs etc. and then has lots more options - if he chooses Ipswich now and it doesn't work out, he's only got 20 games or so of success in the bank, which won't necessarily get him a decent job afterwards?
Having said that he'd definitely be first choice for me (don't know much about Ryan Lowe tho). |
Manning is the big-picture appointment, and hard to imagine him turning us down given his links and the fact nobody could say MK are out of sight. But it does have its risks, as outlined, and I wonder if Ashton will consider the timing to be a bit out this time. | |
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| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:51 - Dec 4 with 979 views | Mullet |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:50 - Dec 4 by SomethingBlue |
Manning is the big-picture appointment, and hard to imagine him turning us down given his links and the fact nobody could say MK are out of sight. But it does have its risks, as outlined, and I wonder if Ashton will consider the timing to be a bit out this time. |
I've decided it'll be Ryan Lowe. My mate who worked at Bury spoke very highly of him. |  |
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| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:56 - Dec 4 with 913 views | LeoMuff |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:39 - Dec 4 by gordon |
Agreed, but would it be a good career choice for Manning? If he is the real deal he gets MK Dons into the play-offs etc. and then has lots more options - if he chooses Ipswich now and it doesn't work out, he's only got 20 games or so of success in the bank, which won't necessarily get him a decent job afterwards?
Having said that he'd definitely be first choice for me (don't know much about Ryan Lowe tho). |
He has 20 league games managerial experience in England, that is a huge concern. MK Dons form under him could all be from the foundations built by Martin who clearly was a very good manager seen by how he is now doing in the championship.
We are clearly a very difficult prospect for any manager, high expectations, owners clearly not tolerating any underperforming and a frustrated fan base after 10 years of hell, not one for the inexperienced you would think. |  |
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| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:57 - Dec 4 with 881 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 21:28 - Dec 4 by SomethingBlue |
That's your opinion though, rather than the view and ambition of the board. |
Of course. We’d have to have a back end to the season better than we’ve had in at least 2 decades to make the playoffs, so I think that’s exceedingly unlikely. I don’t doubt the board understand the scale of the challenge either. | |
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| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 22:01 - Dec 4 with 842 views | thebooks |
I actually think we do need a “promotion specialist” rather than a project. Or rather, someone who can get a talented group of players gelled and confidence high quite quickly. At the moment, I don’t think it’s about tactics, coaching, culture or a long term project.
Someone with a lot of experience on a short contract. I don’t think Cook was that type of coach — it’s more Warnock. Someone to do the job Joe Royle did. But like you say, does that work these days?
I’m not sure who’s out there. My other fear is we end up with a “name”, like Frank Lampard. |  | | |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 22:45 - Dec 4 with 653 views | Hullblue |
| Three ways, maybe two and a half, that we can go on 22:01 - Dec 4 by thebooks |
I actually think we do need a “promotion specialist” rather than a project. Or rather, someone who can get a talented group of players gelled and confidence high quite quickly. At the moment, I don’t think it’s about tactics, coaching, culture or a long term project.
Someone with a lot of experience on a short contract. I don’t think Cook was that type of coach — it’s more Warnock. Someone to do the job Joe Royle did. But like you say, does that work these days?
I’m not sure who’s out there. My other fear is we end up with a “name”, like Frank Lampard. |
Couldn’t disagree more. If it’s not about tactics and coaching what is it about?! We’ve been tactically inept all season. Cook is much closer to the promotion specialist Warnock type than the coaching/tactic heavy Manning type, IMO.
We’ve been appointing promotion specialists for the last 15 years - look where it’s got us. We need the next big thing, not the last big thing. |  |
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