| No one has mentioned Dyer 21:51 - Dec 5 with 1848 views | Kesgrave_Exile |
Do you think that if it wasn't for his health issues Dyer would be amongst the names being considered for the job? |  | | |  |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 21:53 - Dec 5 with 1622 views | jayessess |
yeah, I was wondering about that. In lots of ways he's a more obvious interim boss than McGreal. |  |
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 21:56 - Dec 5 with 1593 views | Guthrum |
I did. Tho only as a potential caretaker. Doubt he's get it permanently.
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 21:59 - Dec 5 with 1568 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I think health issues and lack of experience both put him as very much an outside bet.
If we are looking at a non-white candidate (there is no Rooney rule still is there?), it would be interesting who that might be. Drogba, Hughton, who else aside from Dyer? |  |
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:01 - Dec 5 with 1557 views | Swansea_Blue |
I don't understand why people right him off. Gets his teams together, playing good stuff and usually fairly successfully. Everyone has to start somewhere.
Where he's at with his health is another matter, but I'd be happy enough to see him given a chance. We gave Jim a chance a league higher and he had no coaching/managing experience at all. |  |
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:04 - Dec 5 with 1526 views | itfcsuth |
This is not a job for a manager with no experience managing first team football at any level. |  | | |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:05 - Dec 5 with 1500 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:01 - Dec 5 by Swansea_Blue |
I don't understand why people right him off. Gets his teams together, playing good stuff and usually fairly successfully. Everyone has to start somewhere.
Where he's at with his health is another matter, but I'd be happy enough to see him given a chance. We gave Jim a chance a league higher and he had no coaching/managing experience at all. |
I don't think Magilton is good justification for us going inexperienced to be fair. | |
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:07 - Dec 5 with 1472 views | Swansea_Blue |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:04 - Dec 5 by itfcsuth |
This is not a job for a manager with no experience managing first team football at any level. |
Yeah it is. A mid table league 1 side is ideal for someone to cut their teeth. There are stacks of decent coaches with age group experience who've come int at this level or higher and gone on to do well, and there'll be plenty more out there ready to make the step up. The challenge is spotting the good ones, which is where decent networks and good judgement come in (let's hope Ashton and co have that!). | |
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:14 - Dec 5 with 1443 views | factual_blue |
He had an interesting experience in the dressing room with a leading pundit some years ago. |  |
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:16 - Dec 5 with 1408 views | itfcsuth |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:07 - Dec 5 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah it is. A mid table league 1 side is ideal for someone to cut their teeth. There are stacks of decent coaches with age group experience who've come int at this level or higher and gone on to do well, and there'll be plenty more out there ready to make the step up. The challenge is spotting the good ones, which is where decent networks and good judgement come in (let's hope Ashton and co have that!). |
How many managers can you name me have gone into a League 1 side and got them promoted with no prior first team managerial experience at any level, anywhere?
I genuinely don’t know, but you mention there are stacks, how many have come in and got promoted out of League 1? Neil Critchley is the only name I can think of. | | | |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:19 - Dec 5 with 1375 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:16 - Dec 5 by itfcsuth |
How many managers can you name me have gone into a League 1 side and got them promoted with no prior first team managerial experience at any level, anywhere?
I genuinely don’t know, but you mention there are stacks, how many have come in and got promoted out of League 1? Neil Critchley is the only name I can think of. |
Paul Warne. | |
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:21 - Dec 5 with 1361 views | TractorBoyOlly |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:04 - Dec 5 by itfcsuth |
This is not a job for a manager with no experience managing first team football at any level. |
How do you expect anyone to get experience then? Start at Whitton United and work their way up? It doesn’t work like that. | |
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:21 - Dec 5 with 1357 views | jayessess |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:07 - Dec 5 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah it is. A mid table league 1 side is ideal for someone to cut their teeth. There are stacks of decent coaches with age group experience who've come int at this level or higher and gone on to do well, and there'll be plenty more out there ready to make the step up. The challenge is spotting the good ones, which is where decent networks and good judgement come in (let's hope Ashton and co have that!). |
Yup, hiring an U23 coach didn't do Blackpool any harm. It is, as you say, a matter of judgement as to whether or not Kieron's "got it".
You'd be asking around football, asking the people who ran his coaching courses, the people who've worked with him, how they rate him as coach, tactician, football thinker. | |
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:22 - Dec 5 with 1347 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:21 - Dec 5 by TractorBoyOlly |
How do you expect anyone to get experience then? Start at Whitton United and work their way up? It doesn’t work like that. |
Or start at Man Utd and work their way down. | |
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:23 - Dec 5 with 1342 views | thecheek |
Give that all our recent failed appointments have been experienced managers it could be argued that Dyer would be no more of a gamble than most of the other names being mentioned... |  | | |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:34 - Dec 5 with 1285 views | Illinoisblue |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:04 - Dec 5 by itfcsuth |
This is not a job for a manager with no experience managing first team football at any level. |
Why not? Jewell, Hurst, Lambert and Cook all had bags of experience and were all fooking awful. |  |
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:39 - Dec 5 with 1259 views | Churchman |
I suggested KD before Cook. 7 years older than Robson was when he got the job, hugely experienced in the game, loves the club. If we are just looking for a Head Coach style of manager, why not? I’d prefer him to most of the failures suggested on here.
The question mark for me is his health. He’s in for a major operation at some point and a managers stress is something he doesn’t need in his recovery, I’m sure. His health is the priority. [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 22:40]
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:42 - Dec 5 with 1243 views | itfcsuth |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:19 - Dec 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Paul Warne. |
Paul Warne went into a Championship club, not a League 1 club. [Post edited 5 Dec 2021 22:42]
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:44 - Dec 5 with 1235 views | itfcsuth |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:34 - Dec 5 by Illinoisblue |
Why not? Jewell, Hurst, Lambert and Cook all had bags of experience and were all fooking awful. |
Probably for that exact reason, a man with Paul Cook’s resume couldn’t get us going, given the huge turnover of players in the summer, and the big expectation because of that, I don’t think it’s a good gig for somebody with zero first team experience. | | | |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:58 - Dec 5 with 1195 views | Swansea_Blue |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:16 - Dec 5 by itfcsuth |
How many managers can you name me have gone into a League 1 side and got them promoted with no prior first team managerial experience at any level, anywhere?
I genuinely don’t know, but you mention there are stacks, how many have come in and got promoted out of League 1? Neil Critchley is the only name I can think of. |
I wasn't specifically talking about promotion at the first attempt, just young managers who've gone on to do well. But I can think of several who've won promotion straight from the off or in their first full season. Martinez, Bowyer, Darren Ferguson, Critchley sas you say. Robinson and Robins must be close. Stendel at Barnsley. A whole bunch of them who've done well from the off. Nathan Jones took Luton from L2 to the Championship in successive seasons I think. Eddie Howe took Bournemouth all the way to the top from L2. Rodgers had immediate impact at Watford in his fist senior job, and then went on to do not too badly.
It's self evident really, as they all have to start somewhere. Any manager who's now successful would have had their first first team job somewhere. The challenge is for clubs to spot those with the potential.
Interestingly, Ashton has presided over (or been involved in) the appointment of two such fresh coaches who were instantly successful while at Watford - Aidy Boothroyd and Brendan Rodgers. I know Bristol fans don't like him, but he's got a much better record of picking a manager than Evans. | |
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 23:00 - Dec 5 with 1190 views | Swansea_Blue |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:05 - Dec 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I don't think Magilton is good justification for us going inexperienced to be fair. |
Although relative to what followed, he didn't do too badly.
He was standing on the shoulder of a giant though. But then whoever comes in now has a good group of players to work with and just needs to instill that togetherness. | |
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 23:14 - Dec 5 with 1133 views | itfcsuth |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:58 - Dec 5 by Swansea_Blue |
I wasn't specifically talking about promotion at the first attempt, just young managers who've gone on to do well. But I can think of several who've won promotion straight from the off or in their first full season. Martinez, Bowyer, Darren Ferguson, Critchley sas you say. Robinson and Robins must be close. Stendel at Barnsley. A whole bunch of them who've done well from the off. Nathan Jones took Luton from L2 to the Championship in successive seasons I think. Eddie Howe took Bournemouth all the way to the top from L2. Rodgers had immediate impact at Watford in his fist senior job, and then went on to do not too badly.
It's self evident really, as they all have to start somewhere. Any manager who's now successful would have had their first first team job somewhere. The challenge is for clubs to spot those with the potential.
Interestingly, Ashton has presided over (or been involved in) the appointment of two such fresh coaches who were instantly successful while at Watford - Aidy Boothroyd and Brendan Rodgers. I know Bristol fans don't like him, but he's got a much better record of picking a manager than Evans. |
I agree, everybody needs to start, but I don’t think this club with this expectation will be a good start for a brand new manager.
There are some good examples you’ve given. Robinson, Jones, Howe & Ferguson were all L2 triumphs though, and I think that’s where Dyer must go for his first taster of first team management. | | | |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 23:56 - Dec 5 with 1043 views | BlueBadger |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:05 - Dec 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I don't think Magilton is good justification for us going inexperienced to be fair. |
I mean, he only improved the league position season on season on a budget of 47p and a Fab lolly. |  |
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 02:34 - Dec 6 with 953 views | Illinoisblue |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 22:44 - Dec 5 by itfcsuth |
Probably for that exact reason, a man with Paul Cook’s resume couldn’t get us going, given the huge turnover of players in the summer, and the big expectation because of that, I don’t think it’s a good gig for somebody with zero first team experience. |
That logic doesn’t compute. Managers with experience have failed therefore we must employ another manager with experience. | |
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| No one has mentioned Dyer on 03:39 - Dec 6 with 922 views | Bluearmy71 |
I mentioned the other day that I feel that JM will be named caretaker with KD his assistant!
I then think KD may well be named manager in full for next season if all goes well. |  | | |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 09:13 - Dec 6 with 737 views | jayessess |
| No one has mentioned Dyer on 23:14 - Dec 5 by itfcsuth |
I agree, everybody needs to start, but I don’t think this club with this expectation will be a good start for a brand new manager.
There are some good examples you’ve given. Robinson, Jones, Howe & Ferguson were all L2 triumphs though, and I think that’s where Dyer must go for his first taster of first team management. |
The majority of managers in the Championship got their first managerial appointment in L1 or above. Aside from the bosses who got their first job overseas, the only exceptions are Nathan Jones, Chris Wilder, Gary Rowett and Darren Ferguson.
From Kieron's perspective, if there were even the slightest possibility of getting the Ipswich job in future, I'd be exceptionally wary of taking a League 2 job. Once you're pegged as a lower league manager it's incredibly hard to ever be seen as a higher level boss, it usually sucks you down rather than giving you a platform to shine. [Post edited 6 Dec 2021 9:18]
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