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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 01:14 - Dec 11 with 1904 viewsstonojnr

the way this is going it will be over by lunch
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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 01:21 - Dec 11 with 1889 viewsGuthrum

We might get level ...

Or Woakes and Robinson could go berserk and give us at least something to defend. Hopeful thoughts.

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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 01:22 - Dec 11 with 1883 viewsmylittletown

Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 01:21 - Dec 11 by Guthrum

We might get level ...

Or Woakes and Robinson could go berserk and give us at least something to defend. Hopeful thoughts.


We are done!
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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 01:28 - Dec 11 with 1865 viewsstonojnr

and we missed all the excitement when the tv compound lost all power which cut the tv & radio all in one go, and we ended up with just a camera at pitch level roughly 3rd man for a while listening to ABC.
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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 01:42 - Dec 11 with 1847 viewsRyorry

We lost from the moment of the toss decision as Gainsborough feared.

I've listened to some pundits' theories re why it *might possibly* have been a good one & can't buy them, too many ifs & buts. Surely keep it simple, ie don't elect to bat first on an "emerald green lush" pitch in cool damp conditions when hot sunhine's forecast for the following 4 days?

Sad Root esp. & Malan didn't make their tons.
[Post edited 11 Dec 2021 1:43]

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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 01:59 - Dec 11 with 1833 viewsstonojnr

Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 01:42 - Dec 11 by Ryorry

We lost from the moment of the toss decision as Gainsborough feared.

I've listened to some pundits' theories re why it *might possibly* have been a good one & can't buy them, too many ifs & buts. Surely keep it simple, ie don't elect to bat first on an "emerald green lush" pitch in cool damp conditions when hot sunhine's forecast for the following 4 days?

Sad Root esp. & Malan didn't make their tons.
[Post edited 11 Dec 2021 1:43]


tbf the stats say always bat first at the Gabba, its like nearly 75% win ratio, obviously theres a 25% loss part :) but these havent been normal Gabba conditions anyway & Root should have picked on what the pitch was showing rather than the stats or the history

regardless England have played poorly in this test whatever the conditions both batting & fielding/bowling, weve given wickets away & not fielded/bowled properly

so 9 down lead by 18 runs
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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 02:08 - Dec 11 with 1820 viewsbournemouthblue

England reverting to type today, what a disappointing collapse

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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 02:38 - Dec 11 with 1793 viewsXYZ

Ah, well, it's 1 of 5. Regroup. There's better venues for England than Brisbane.

(beware of undisclosed conflict of interest, haha losers.)
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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 03:16 - Dec 11 with 1769 viewsstonojnr

Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 02:38 - Dec 11 by XYZ

Ah, well, it's 1 of 5. Regroup. There's better venues for England than Brisbane.

(beware of undisclosed conflict of interest, haha losers.)


Adelaide next, for the day/night test, Thursday 16th, Anderson & Broad back in the attack :) assuming they arent injured properly and it was just a hoax.
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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 03:38 - Dec 11 with 1754 viewshype313

Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 01:28 - Dec 11 by stonojnr

and we missed all the excitement when the tv compound lost all power which cut the tv & radio all in one go, and we ended up with just a camera at pitch level roughly 3rd man for a while listening to ABC.


Still, Least we got to hear how Brisbane's vaccination rollout is going.

Which is nice.

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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 05:06 - Dec 11 with 1729 viewsgainsboroughblue

Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 01:59 - Dec 11 by stonojnr

tbf the stats say always bat first at the Gabba, its like nearly 75% win ratio, obviously theres a 25% loss part :) but these havent been normal Gabba conditions anyway & Root should have picked on what the pitch was showing rather than the stats or the history

regardless England have played poorly in this test whatever the conditions both batting & fielding/bowling, weve given wickets away & not fielded/bowled properly

so 9 down lead by 18 runs


For the (unusual) Gabba conditions day one, the lack of preparation for both sides and the weather outlook, it was a bowl first day one for me all day long. Not a hindsight thing as I thought it before the coin was flipped. One of Broad and Anderson should have played. We delayed and considered our line up right up to the toss, then won the toss and got both decisions so badly wrong.

Had we put the Aussies in, worst case scenario was them racking up 300 odd for 2 or whatever but we at least, wouldn't have had ten men back in the hutch for not many and had 3 and a bit days with 20 wickets to defend.
We left ourselves open and vulnerable from the off .

Leach was always going to be cannon fodder and Stokes was way to under cooked to be a front line seamer.

Hey ho. Day nighter next and that is truly our best shot of a result, though still odds against imo.

So disheartening that after a fightback, we wilt in true English fashion again. The hope really is the worst thing.
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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 07:33 - Dec 11 with 1636 viewsPlums

Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 05:06 - Dec 11 by gainsboroughblue

For the (unusual) Gabba conditions day one, the lack of preparation for both sides and the weather outlook, it was a bowl first day one for me all day long. Not a hindsight thing as I thought it before the coin was flipped. One of Broad and Anderson should have played. We delayed and considered our line up right up to the toss, then won the toss and got both decisions so badly wrong.

Had we put the Aussies in, worst case scenario was them racking up 300 odd for 2 or whatever but we at least, wouldn't have had ten men back in the hutch for not many and had 3 and a bit days with 20 wickets to defend.
We left ourselves open and vulnerable from the off .

Leach was always going to be cannon fodder and Stokes was way to under cooked to be a front line seamer.

Hey ho. Day nighter next and that is truly our best shot of a result, though still odds against imo.

So disheartening that after a fightback, we wilt in true English fashion again. The hope really is the worst thing.
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When are we going to send a prepared test team to Australia? I feel for the fans spending 000’s to watch undercooked teams turn out.
And totally agree that the decision to bat first was madness on that track.

It's 106 miles to Portman Road, we've got a full tank of gas, half a round of Port Salut, it's dark... and we're wearing blue tinted sunglasses.
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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 07:44 - Dec 11 with 1623 viewsIpswichKnight

It’s the hope that kills! Last Adelaide test Anderson took 1/74 and Broad 2/72 as Aussies racked up 400 plus. Anderson did take a 5 for in 2nd innings. Still lost by 120 runs.
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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 08:21 - Dec 11 with 1599 viewsChrisd

All a little too predictable with this England side.

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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 08:26 - Dec 11 with 1598 viewsFtnfwest

In terms of the WTC surely the leading test sides can’t be happy with an easy 5-0 for Aussie in the ashes when they only play 3 test series generally? Or is it worked out some other way?
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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 09:24 - Dec 11 with 1542 viewsGuthrum

Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 07:33 - Dec 11 by Plums

When are we going to send a prepared test team to Australia? I feel for the fans spending 000’s to watch undercooked teams turn out.
And totally agree that the decision to bat first was madness on that track.


To be fair, the lack of preparation was more down to the warm-up matches being rained off than any carelessness by the England setup. Indeed, given the number of Tests each of the two sides has played in the last year, the Aussies arguably had less preparation than we did, plus having changed Captain on the eve of the series.

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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 09:34 - Dec 11 with 1535 viewsAce_High1

Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 05:06 - Dec 11 by gainsboroughblue

For the (unusual) Gabba conditions day one, the lack of preparation for both sides and the weather outlook, it was a bowl first day one for me all day long. Not a hindsight thing as I thought it before the coin was flipped. One of Broad and Anderson should have played. We delayed and considered our line up right up to the toss, then won the toss and got both decisions so badly wrong.

Had we put the Aussies in, worst case scenario was them racking up 300 odd for 2 or whatever but we at least, wouldn't have had ten men back in the hutch for not many and had 3 and a bit days with 20 wickets to defend.
We left ourselves open and vulnerable from the off .

Leach was always going to be cannon fodder and Stokes was way to under cooked to be a front line seamer.

Hey ho. Day nighter next and that is truly our best shot of a result, though still odds against imo.

So disheartening that after a fightback, we wilt in true English fashion again. The hope really is the worst thing.
[Post edited 11 Dec 2021 5:17]


Agree completely, shocking decision at the toss and I said much the same, you cannot lose the match on day 1 if you bowl first, even if they are 300-2, you can get a load of wickets the next morning with the new ball. But you can lose a match if you bat first and get settled out for 147.

The selection really frustrates me, ever since last winter they are trying to be too clever by allocating "rest" periods to players before the series even starts. You should start with your best 11, then rest after that depending on form, workload and injuries.

I really don't rate Silverwood, we are massively going backwards under his tenure as a coach. There is a reason we don't do well with English coaches, they are just not up to it. Look at the last 20 years, our best periods have all been with Fletcher, Flower and Bayliss. No coincidence that when we had Moores and Silverwood we are hopeless.

Silverwood out.
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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 09:55 - Dec 11 with 1521 viewsGuthrum

Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 01:59 - Dec 11 by stonojnr

tbf the stats say always bat first at the Gabba, its like nearly 75% win ratio, obviously theres a 25% loss part :) but these havent been normal Gabba conditions anyway & Root should have picked on what the pitch was showing rather than the stats or the history

regardless England have played poorly in this test whatever the conditions both batting & fielding/bowling, weve given wickets away & not fielded/bowled properly

so 9 down lead by 18 runs


Absolutely. There's a limit to the stats-based approach when conditions are not normal (overcast, fairly green wicket).

We also seriously lack an effective Test spinner. Arguably, Root is the best one in the team and he's got to handle captaincy and a key batting role as well. England needs to find another Graeme Swann from somewhere, especially now Moeen Ali has retired from red-ball cricket and given Adil Rashid is fixated on ODI/T20 (with the latter, his bowling is perhaps more effective in a scenario where the batsmen are trying to smash sixes every ball and he doesn't have to hold up an end for 20 overs).

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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 09:59 - Dec 11 with 1515 viewsGuthrum

Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 08:26 - Dec 11 by Ftnfwest

In terms of the WTC surely the leading test sides can’t be happy with an easy 5-0 for Aussie in the ashes when they only play 3 test series generally? Or is it worked out some other way?


I thought it was compensated for, as with the (ridiculous) 2-match series at the other end of the scale.

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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 12:39 - Dec 11 with 1454 viewsstonojnr

Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 09:55 - Dec 11 by Guthrum

Absolutely. There's a limit to the stats-based approach when conditions are not normal (overcast, fairly green wicket).

We also seriously lack an effective Test spinner. Arguably, Root is the best one in the team and he's got to handle captaincy and a key batting role as well. England needs to find another Graeme Swann from somewhere, especially now Moeen Ali has retired from red-ball cricket and given Adil Rashid is fixated on ODI/T20 (with the latter, his bowling is perhaps more effective in a scenario where the batsmen are trying to smash sixes every ball and he doesn't have to hold up an end for 20 overs).


but its the approach of England thats the problem, we never develop spinners properly, be that at county level where they never produce spin friendly pitches or in the England team, Jack Leach has hardly played any test cricket for ages and then is expected to just drop in and be a match winner for them.

it was obvious the Aussies would target him and try to knock him out of the game or even the series because they know Root/England management dont have the confidence in spin bowling to persist with it, the irony of losing a game where we have another batting collapse and the first name everyone discards from the team is one of the bowlers.

plus I noticed with Lyon, who isnt that good a spin bowler, but has picked up over 400 wickets because the Aussie team just persist with it, and he certainly wasnt bowling Warne like ball of the centuries in this game, but every ball he bowled the whole Aussie team treated it like he'd just taken a wicket, all the close fielders would oooh and aaah, and run in half appeal, even when he got clouted to the boundary it was ooh lucky shot there mate, chuck in a few exaggerated almost reviews, and you know when they are considering reviewing an lbw at Brisbane they are taking the proverbial.

But it did two things one boosted the bowlers confidence, two scrambled the brains of the batters as they started playing really daft shots as they felt like they were under this pressure to hit the ball all the time and try and hit Lyon out of the game, and in the end he picks up a couple of gifted wickets, job done.

Compared to England in the field for Leach who just stand around most of the time, not pressuring the batsman and the unsaid thing being the oh I wish we had Broad or Anderson bowling here instead look.
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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 12:54 - Dec 11 with 1444 viewsIpswichKnight

We don’t have any spinners as we don’t play 4 day cricket in July and August, instead we play in April/May/September and October when pitches are seaming, your not going to be playing a spinner on a green top under cloud cover in April or May. One day/T20/100 then kicks in with dictat from ECB that no other cricket takes place during 100 to protect the brand. 2 leggies on Lions tour aren’t even playing at the moment ( Lions also getting a thrashing). Until 4 day cricket becomes a priority in high summer we won’t produce world class spinners.
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Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 20:29 - Dec 11 with 1346 viewsmylittletown

Ashes - Brisbane Day 4 on 12:39 - Dec 11 by stonojnr

but its the approach of England thats the problem, we never develop spinners properly, be that at county level where they never produce spin friendly pitches or in the England team, Jack Leach has hardly played any test cricket for ages and then is expected to just drop in and be a match winner for them.

it was obvious the Aussies would target him and try to knock him out of the game or even the series because they know Root/England management dont have the confidence in spin bowling to persist with it, the irony of losing a game where we have another batting collapse and the first name everyone discards from the team is one of the bowlers.

plus I noticed with Lyon, who isnt that good a spin bowler, but has picked up over 400 wickets because the Aussie team just persist with it, and he certainly wasnt bowling Warne like ball of the centuries in this game, but every ball he bowled the whole Aussie team treated it like he'd just taken a wicket, all the close fielders would oooh and aaah, and run in half appeal, even when he got clouted to the boundary it was ooh lucky shot there mate, chuck in a few exaggerated almost reviews, and you know when they are considering reviewing an lbw at Brisbane they are taking the proverbial.

But it did two things one boosted the bowlers confidence, two scrambled the brains of the batters as they started playing really daft shots as they felt like they were under this pressure to hit the ball all the time and try and hit Lyon out of the game, and in the end he picks up a couple of gifted wickets, job done.

Compared to England in the field for Leach who just stand around most of the time, not pressuring the batsman and the unsaid thing being the oh I wish we had Broad or Anderson bowling here instead look.


Agreed. Leach is a perfectly decent, bowler. Although Root is more than useful, he is not going to bowl 20 over spells. It was obvious what the Australians would do with Leach.
Lyon is bang average, and can be got after as has been shown often in limited overs games, but the Australians always give him huge support and behave as if he is top-class, which sows seeds in the batsmen's minds.
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