| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... 23:50 - Dec 18 with 1581 views | WeirdFishes |
Paul Cook would 100% still be here. |  |
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| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 23:57 - Dec 18 with 1560 views | Guthrum |
Almost certainly the case. However, in a well-constructed squad, one injury should not spell disaster. |  |
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| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 08:48 - Dec 19 with 1266 views | Deano69 |
I suspect you’re right.
But pretty much highlights his unwillingness (or possibly lack of capabilities) to have alternative tactics or playing styles. Just replacing a player like for like with a sub is not a plan b or change of formation. Oh well, he’s gone now, so can’t wait to see what the new regime brings.
In spells yesterday Burns was very good. Gave us width, pace at defence, decent crossing into the box and drew fouls (thought Sunderland were pretty filthy/cynical) |  |
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| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 08:52 - Dec 19 with 1248 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
"When Morsy gets here we won't see that type of capitulation any more".
If Walton or Bonne had been recalled or got injured very early on we would be in a relegation battle by now.
How has Cook put together such a fragile group of players that relies on all of 4 individuals to be ever present and on form? |  |
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| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 08:55 - Dec 19 with 1221 views | Esseeja |
| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 08:52 - Dec 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"When Morsy gets here we won't see that type of capitulation any more".
If Walton or Bonne had been recalled or got injured very early on we would be in a relegation battle by now.
How has Cook put together such a fragile group of players that relies on all of 4 individuals to be ever present and on form? |
I keep asking this, were all the signings ochestrated by Cook or were some made by Ashton? |  | | |
| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 09:35 - Dec 19 with 1108 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 08:55 - Dec 19 by Esseeja |
I keep asking this, were all the signings ochestrated by Cook or were some made by Ashton? |
So Cook jettisoned a whole squad only to have no say in who came in and happily allowed someone else to bring in players that he didn't want and happily got on with it anyway?
And several of those players happened to be key players who had played under Cook previously too.
Do you happen to be sceptical about the moon landings too?
If Ashton had added his own signings for some bizarre reason, Cook could always have shipped them off to the reserves like he did with Lambert's signings and Louie Barry. | |
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| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 09:42 - Dec 19 with 1074 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 09:35 - Dec 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
So Cook jettisoned a whole squad only to have no say in who came in and happily allowed someone else to bring in players that he didn't want and happily got on with it anyway?
And several of those players happened to be key players who had played under Cook previously too.
Do you happen to be sceptical about the moon landings too?
If Ashton had added his own signings for some bizarre reason, Cook could always have shipped them off to the reserves like he did with Lambert's signings and Louie Barry. |
Ashton said himself he thought Of Santi before he even spoke to Cook so I think Ashtons involvement shouldn't be underestimated but equally I expect PC signed of most of them |  |
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| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 09:47 - Dec 19 with 1034 views | Herbivore |
| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 08:55 - Dec 19 by Esseeja |
I keep asking this, were all the signings ochestrated by Cook or were some made by Ashton? |
Ashton has said they both drew on their existing contacts but the idea that Cook didn't give the okay to the players signed is rather fanciful. Interestingly, some have claimed that Burns wasn't a Cook signing and yet here we have a thread saying a fit Burns would have saved Cook's job, despite allegedly not fitting Cook's system. It's almost as if football fans like to wildly speculate and often don't really know what they're talking about. |  |
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| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 09:50 - Dec 19 with 1019 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 09:42 - Dec 19 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Ashton said himself he thought Of Santi before he even spoke to Cook so I think Ashtons involvement shouldn't be underestimated but equally I expect PC signed of most of them |
It would be ridiculous for a CEO to bring players into a club unless the manager wanted them. Using contacts to identify and attract players is only sensible. The suggestion that players were brought in and the manager then forced to play them is just ridiculous. | |
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| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 10:02 - Dec 19 with 978 views | Guthrum |
| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 09:50 - Dec 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It would be ridiculous for a CEO to bring players into a club unless the manager wanted them. Using contacts to identify and attract players is only sensible. The suggestion that players were brought in and the manager then forced to play them is just ridiculous. |
No Manager (as opposed to a Head Coach under a DoF) with any spine would stand for it. Can't imagine someone like Cook keeping quiet if his hands were tied to that degree.
Also, if Ashton really did stuff like that, why would anybody have continued to employ him in very senior football admin roles?
I suspect some of these theories are down to our fans not being used to having a Chief Exec with their own contacts to identify and secure potential good signings. Means a greater range of targets available, not that he's going over the Manager's head. | |
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| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 10:17 - Dec 19 with 956 views | jayessess |
One day we'll find a manager who can keep us competitive even when we're missing players. |  |
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| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 10:34 - Dec 19 with 920 views | tractordownsouth |
Absolutely, he's been our best player, closely followed by Edmundson. However, with the investment the squad had put into it, we shouldn't have been relying on one individual. |  |
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| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 10:50 - Dec 19 with 865 views | Keaneish |
Aluko did well stepping into that role though but I’m inclined to agree and McGreal alluded to as much yesterday. |  |
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| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 10:56 - Dec 19 with 830 views | chrismakin |
| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 09:50 - Dec 19 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It would be ridiculous for a CEO to bring players into a club unless the manager wanted them. Using contacts to identify and attract players is only sensible. The suggestion that players were brought in and the manager then forced to play them is just ridiculous. |
Covered this many times.
Think people are over analysing it.
Do I think the club apart from PC signed some players yes. Do I think PC rejected them no.
We know PC had his targets. We tried Crooks. We tried Bradley. We also as mentioned before know he tried for a few more Wigan players.. of which we failed.
PC also told M/A he wanted 90% of the squad gone. We did that.
What I believe and I don't think it's a negative tbh. But PC failed to land his personal targets. Because of this the squad was small and struggling. M/A got involved with others and brought in some players. That's not far fetched to believe this.
If you look at the players we signed. Go back to PCs previous signings and his very rigid 4 2 3 1. It's clear that alot of our signings were not PC chosen players.
Fraser. Celina. Edwards. Burgess. Etc. |  |
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| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 11:33 - Dec 19 with 746 views | LeoMuff |
Great player would love to see him and Edwards in that 352. |  |
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| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 11:39 - Dec 19 with 722 views | jeera |
| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 09:42 - Dec 19 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Ashton said himself he thought Of Santi before he even spoke to Cook so I think Ashtons involvement shouldn't be underestimated but equally I expect PC signed of most of them |
Sure, but making suggestions as to whom is out there and available isn't the same as taking charge over the signings.
But I wouldn't doubt for a moment it would be Cook as manager identifying his targets with Ashton doing what he could to bring them in. That's pretty much the normal way and Ashton didn't do badly on that front.
Would that have been times they sat together as professional colleagues and discussed options as adults, both throwing names into the ring? You would bloody well hope so yes. |  |
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| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 12:10 - Dec 19 with 677 views | cressi |
And if my auntie had b*llocks
She would be my uncle | | | |
| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 12:12 - Dec 19 with 666 views | chrismakin |
| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 12:10 - Dec 19 by cressi |
And if my auntie had b*llocks
She would be my uncle |
Or maybe Non Binary | |
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| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 12:19 - Dec 19 with 634 views | hatch |
Funny, I made the same post on Wednesday night and got down voted for it. |  | | |
| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 12:26 - Dec 19 with 616 views | Zapers |
| If Wes Burns hadn't got injured... on 09:47 - Dec 19 by Herbivore |
Ashton has said they both drew on their existing contacts but the idea that Cook didn't give the okay to the players signed is rather fanciful. Interestingly, some have claimed that Burns wasn't a Cook signing and yet here we have a thread saying a fit Burns would have saved Cook's job, despite allegedly not fitting Cook's system. It's almost as if football fans like to wildly speculate and often don't really know what they're talking about. |
But if you do not have cast iron knowledge of what went on with Cook and Ashton regarding signings, all opinions are wildly speculative. | | | |
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