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I voted for 'Got to learn to live with it', because we've got to learn to live with it.
I speak as someone who has been very personally touched by the effects of Covid, and who has also spent time in ITU and seen/worked with patients who died in there from Covid.
I personally do not believe that we can 'live' like this ad infinitum, where it's all over the media 24/7, and we go in and out of restrictions every Winter and/or every time a new variant crops up. It is no way to live, and I cannot do it for much longer. Of course it reduces the number of people who die from the virus, but it is simply no way for everyone else in society to 'live'. I invite anyone to challenge this last point; if so, how are you enjoying things? Call me selfish or ignorant, but I would rather not have to live life like this. Covid is not the only thing that can kill you, nor has it ever been. Mental health is going down the drain as a consequence of all of this (personally speaking, but I know I am not alone); and at some point something has got to give, and someone has to ask questions around whether preventing the spread of another new variant is worth the trade off with all of the resulting negative impacts on peoples' lives. Otherwise will it ever end?
Instead of living the 'Because of Covid' way of life, why don't we properly fund the NHS, so that they have the resources to manage and treat the number of patients with Covid, and ensure that other treatments and procedures for all the other health problems that people have are able to go ahead as normal? If this doesn't happen then are we going to have to go in and out of restrictions, and queue up like sheep for our booster shots, every few months, forever?
People have died in their 1000s every day since time began, even in the 21st century with the level of science and medicine that exists. More people still die from things like heart disease than Covid, so why is the world going to absolute sh*t because of a new virus with a fancy name? As far as I am aware (I haven't looked at the statistics recently) this is also still a virus which for the vast majority of people does not have serious or fatal consequences.
I can only dream of seeing the day when it all 'stops', people approach Covid as no different to flu/heart disease/cancer/[any other health problem]/being hit by a bus etc, and life goes back to normal, however I don't believe this is ever going to happen. I fear that we are too far gone now, and in the name of saving lives, the way of life of everyone in society that we previously enjoyed has been destroyed and irrevocably replaced.
I've already said in this post that I cannot live like this much longer. It is true - I would rather not, than 'live' like this for the rest of my natural life. It is impossible to make concrete plans for the future, or to have any idea of the circumstances or context in which we will be living in 6 months, a year, 5 years.
I sincerely apologise if I have offended anyone; I don't mean to. I may be wildly off the mark and not truly appreciative of the bigger picture. But I've never lived through a pandemic and so I don't know how these things should go. However I don't believe that anything I have said should be taken as particularly controversial or offensive. I appreciate it may be a different view point to other people, but I don't believe it to be less valid.
I'm sure I'll get a ton of negative responses so apologies in advance for not responding to most (or any) of them.
If the government imposes new restrictions will you follow them? on 13:43 - Dec 21 by ThisIsMyUsername
I voted for 'Got to learn to live with it', because we've got to learn to live with it.
I speak as someone who has been very personally touched by the effects of Covid, and who has also spent time in ITU and seen/worked with patients who died in there from Covid.
I personally do not believe that we can 'live' like this ad infinitum, where it's all over the media 24/7, and we go in and out of restrictions every Winter and/or every time a new variant crops up. It is no way to live, and I cannot do it for much longer. Of course it reduces the number of people who die from the virus, but it is simply no way for everyone else in society to 'live'. I invite anyone to challenge this last point; if so, how are you enjoying things? Call me selfish or ignorant, but I would rather not have to live life like this. Covid is not the only thing that can kill you, nor has it ever been. Mental health is going down the drain as a consequence of all of this (personally speaking, but I know I am not alone); and at some point something has got to give, and someone has to ask questions around whether preventing the spread of another new variant is worth the trade off with all of the resulting negative impacts on peoples' lives. Otherwise will it ever end?
Instead of living the 'Because of Covid' way of life, why don't we properly fund the NHS, so that they have the resources to manage and treat the number of patients with Covid, and ensure that other treatments and procedures for all the other health problems that people have are able to go ahead as normal? If this doesn't happen then are we going to have to go in and out of restrictions, and queue up like sheep for our booster shots, every few months, forever?
People have died in their 1000s every day since time began, even in the 21st century with the level of science and medicine that exists. More people still die from things like heart disease than Covid, so why is the world going to absolute sh*t because of a new virus with a fancy name? As far as I am aware (I haven't looked at the statistics recently) this is also still a virus which for the vast majority of people does not have serious or fatal consequences.
I can only dream of seeing the day when it all 'stops', people approach Covid as no different to flu/heart disease/cancer/[any other health problem]/being hit by a bus etc, and life goes back to normal, however I don't believe this is ever going to happen. I fear that we are too far gone now, and in the name of saving lives, the way of life of everyone in society that we previously enjoyed has been destroyed and irrevocably replaced.
I've already said in this post that I cannot live like this much longer. It is true - I would rather not, than 'live' like this for the rest of my natural life. It is impossible to make concrete plans for the future, or to have any idea of the circumstances or context in which we will be living in 6 months, a year, 5 years.
I sincerely apologise if I have offended anyone; I don't mean to. I may be wildly off the mark and not truly appreciative of the bigger picture. But I've never lived through a pandemic and so I don't know how these things should go. However I don't believe that anything I have said should be taken as particularly controversial or offensive. I appreciate it may be a different view point to other people, but I don't believe it to be less valid.
I'm sure I'll get a ton of negative responses so apologies in advance for not responding to most (or any) of them.
[Post edited 21 Dec 2021 18:52]
You make some good points and the funding of the NHS is one of them.
There's no evidence for it but there are some experts who believe this is the final big battle of covid and once we get over this next wave everything will be much better. I know we've heard that before but there does seem to be some decent reasoning (again, not evidence) behind it.
With each passing day new medications get a bit nearer making a difference, more of the world gets vaccinated and our position improves.
Maybe we call all do our bit to help the situation by looking after ourselves, voting the Tories out for a generation (or eternity if possible) and if possible, donating to the vaccine fund for poorer countries.
Things will get better. I know it's not much help right now.
If the government imposes new restrictions will you follow them? on 13:43 - Dec 21 by ThisIsMyUsername
I voted for 'Got to learn to live with it', because we've got to learn to live with it.
I speak as someone who has been very personally touched by the effects of Covid, and who has also spent time in ITU and seen/worked with patients who died in there from Covid.
I personally do not believe that we can 'live' like this ad infinitum, where it's all over the media 24/7, and we go in and out of restrictions every Winter and/or every time a new variant crops up. It is no way to live, and I cannot do it for much longer. Of course it reduces the number of people who die from the virus, but it is simply no way for everyone else in society to 'live'. I invite anyone to challenge this last point; if so, how are you enjoying things? Call me selfish or ignorant, but I would rather not have to live life like this. Covid is not the only thing that can kill you, nor has it ever been. Mental health is going down the drain as a consequence of all of this (personally speaking, but I know I am not alone); and at some point something has got to give, and someone has to ask questions around whether preventing the spread of another new variant is worth the trade off with all of the resulting negative impacts on peoples' lives. Otherwise will it ever end?
Instead of living the 'Because of Covid' way of life, why don't we properly fund the NHS, so that they have the resources to manage and treat the number of patients with Covid, and ensure that other treatments and procedures for all the other health problems that people have are able to go ahead as normal? If this doesn't happen then are we going to have to go in and out of restrictions, and queue up like sheep for our booster shots, every few months, forever?
People have died in their 1000s every day since time began, even in the 21st century with the level of science and medicine that exists. More people still die from things like heart disease than Covid, so why is the world going to absolute sh*t because of a new virus with a fancy name? As far as I am aware (I haven't looked at the statistics recently) this is also still a virus which for the vast majority of people does not have serious or fatal consequences.
I can only dream of seeing the day when it all 'stops', people approach Covid as no different to flu/heart disease/cancer/[any other health problem]/being hit by a bus etc, and life goes back to normal, however I don't believe this is ever going to happen. I fear that we are too far gone now, and in the name of saving lives, the way of life of everyone in society that we previously enjoyed has been destroyed and irrevocably replaced.
I've already said in this post that I cannot live like this much longer. It is true - I would rather not, than 'live' like this for the rest of my natural life. It is impossible to make concrete plans for the future, or to have any idea of the circumstances or context in which we will be living in 6 months, a year, 5 years.
I sincerely apologise if I have offended anyone; I don't mean to. I may be wildly off the mark and not truly appreciative of the bigger picture. But I've never lived through a pandemic and so I don't know how these things should go. However I don't believe that anything I have said should be taken as particularly controversial or offensive. I appreciate it may be a different view point to other people, but I don't believe it to be less valid.
I'm sure I'll get a ton of negative responses so apologies in advance for not responding to most (or any) of them.
If the government imposes new restrictions will you follow them? on 13:51 - Dec 21 by J2BLUE
You make some good points and the funding of the NHS is one of them.
There's no evidence for it but there are some experts who believe this is the final big battle of covid and once we get over this next wave everything will be much better. I know we've heard that before but there does seem to be some decent reasoning (again, not evidence) behind it.
With each passing day new medications get a bit nearer making a difference, more of the world gets vaccinated and our position improves.
Maybe we call all do our bit to help the situation by looking after ourselves, voting the Tories out for a generation (or eternity if possible) and if possible, donating to the vaccine fund for poorer countries.
Things will get better. I know it's not much help right now.
I sincerely hope that this positive perspective proves fruitful on all accounts.
If the government imposes new restrictions will you follow them? on 10:38 - Dec 21 by bluelagos
Tottenham v Liverpool on Sunday had a crowd of 45k. That was defo a sellout so around 25% of fans didn't attend having paid for a ticket.
I think the "lockdown by stealth" written in the press is happening - same with the lack of traffic on Saturday, presume the shops for the last saturday before xmas were not as busy as normal.
Just a note, there was a tube strike Sunday that was said to be the main reason for the empty seats at the spurs game
If the government imposes new restrictions will you follow them? on 14:16 - Dec 21 by The_Romford_Blue
Just a note, there was a tube strike Sunday that was said to be the main reason for the empty seats at the spurs game
Bit of both I expect — I was at Arsenal v West Ham last Weds for example and there were noticeable gaps in the upper tier, more than you'd usually see at the Emirates.
If the government imposes new restrictions will you follow them? on 13:43 - Dec 21 by ThisIsMyUsername
I voted for 'Got to learn to live with it', because we've got to learn to live with it.
I speak as someone who has been very personally touched by the effects of Covid, and who has also spent time in ITU and seen/worked with patients who died in there from Covid.
I personally do not believe that we can 'live' like this ad infinitum, where it's all over the media 24/7, and we go in and out of restrictions every Winter and/or every time a new variant crops up. It is no way to live, and I cannot do it for much longer. Of course it reduces the number of people who die from the virus, but it is simply no way for everyone else in society to 'live'. I invite anyone to challenge this last point; if so, how are you enjoying things? Call me selfish or ignorant, but I would rather not have to live life like this. Covid is not the only thing that can kill you, nor has it ever been. Mental health is going down the drain as a consequence of all of this (personally speaking, but I know I am not alone); and at some point something has got to give, and someone has to ask questions around whether preventing the spread of another new variant is worth the trade off with all of the resulting negative impacts on peoples' lives. Otherwise will it ever end?
Instead of living the 'Because of Covid' way of life, why don't we properly fund the NHS, so that they have the resources to manage and treat the number of patients with Covid, and ensure that other treatments and procedures for all the other health problems that people have are able to go ahead as normal? If this doesn't happen then are we going to have to go in and out of restrictions, and queue up like sheep for our booster shots, every few months, forever?
People have died in their 1000s every day since time began, even in the 21st century with the level of science and medicine that exists. More people still die from things like heart disease than Covid, so why is the world going to absolute sh*t because of a new virus with a fancy name? As far as I am aware (I haven't looked at the statistics recently) this is also still a virus which for the vast majority of people does not have serious or fatal consequences.
I can only dream of seeing the day when it all 'stops', people approach Covid as no different to flu/heart disease/cancer/[any other health problem]/being hit by a bus etc, and life goes back to normal, however I don't believe this is ever going to happen. I fear that we are too far gone now, and in the name of saving lives, the way of life of everyone in society that we previously enjoyed has been destroyed and irrevocably replaced.
I've already said in this post that I cannot live like this much longer. It is true - I would rather not, than 'live' like this for the rest of my natural life. It is impossible to make concrete plans for the future, or to have any idea of the circumstances or context in which we will be living in 6 months, a year, 5 years.
I sincerely apologise if I have offended anyone; I don't mean to. I may be wildly off the mark and not truly appreciative of the bigger picture. But I've never lived through a pandemic and so I don't know how these things should go. However I don't believe that anything I have said should be taken as particularly controversial or offensive. I appreciate it may be a different view point to other people, but I don't believe it to be less valid.
I'm sure I'll get a ton of negative responses so apologies in advance for not responding to most (or any) of them.
[Post edited 21 Dec 2021 18:52]
I think anyone who dismisses those struggling with lockdown (if it comes) should be referred to your well thought out and fair post.
They are sh1t and have a huge human cost, that is clear. Last resort, no question and for as short a time as possible if they are needed.
If the government imposes new restrictions will you follow them? on 13:43 - Dec 21 by ThisIsMyUsername
I voted for 'Got to learn to live with it', because we've got to learn to live with it.
I speak as someone who has been very personally touched by the effects of Covid, and who has also spent time in ITU and seen/worked with patients who died in there from Covid.
I personally do not believe that we can 'live' like this ad infinitum, where it's all over the media 24/7, and we go in and out of restrictions every Winter and/or every time a new variant crops up. It is no way to live, and I cannot do it for much longer. Of course it reduces the number of people who die from the virus, but it is simply no way for everyone else in society to 'live'. I invite anyone to challenge this last point; if so, how are you enjoying things? Call me selfish or ignorant, but I would rather not have to live life like this. Covid is not the only thing that can kill you, nor has it ever been. Mental health is going down the drain as a consequence of all of this (personally speaking, but I know I am not alone); and at some point something has got to give, and someone has to ask questions around whether preventing the spread of another new variant is worth the trade off with all of the resulting negative impacts on peoples' lives. Otherwise will it ever end?
Instead of living the 'Because of Covid' way of life, why don't we properly fund the NHS, so that they have the resources to manage and treat the number of patients with Covid, and ensure that other treatments and procedures for all the other health problems that people have are able to go ahead as normal? If this doesn't happen then are we going to have to go in and out of restrictions, and queue up like sheep for our booster shots, every few months, forever?
People have died in their 1000s every day since time began, even in the 21st century with the level of science and medicine that exists. More people still die from things like heart disease than Covid, so why is the world going to absolute sh*t because of a new virus with a fancy name? As far as I am aware (I haven't looked at the statistics recently) this is also still a virus which for the vast majority of people does not have serious or fatal consequences.
I can only dream of seeing the day when it all 'stops', people approach Covid as no different to flu/heart disease/cancer/[any other health problem]/being hit by a bus etc, and life goes back to normal, however I don't believe this is ever going to happen. I fear that we are too far gone now, and in the name of saving lives, the way of life of everyone in society that we previously enjoyed has been destroyed and irrevocably replaced.
I've already said in this post that I cannot live like this much longer. It is true - I would rather not, than 'live' like this for the rest of my natural life. It is impossible to make concrete plans for the future, or to have any idea of the circumstances or context in which we will be living in 6 months, a year, 5 years.
I sincerely apologise if I have offended anyone; I don't mean to. I may be wildly off the mark and not truly appreciative of the bigger picture. But I've never lived through a pandemic and so I don't know how these things should go. However I don't believe that anything I have said should be taken as particularly controversial or offensive. I appreciate it may be a different view point to other people, but I don't believe it to be less valid.
I'm sure I'll get a ton of negative responses so apologies in advance for not responding to most (or any) of them.
[Post edited 21 Dec 2021 18:52]
I see a couple of glimmers of hope on the horizon
Firstly, we will have to weather the next 3 months and then it will be Spring and we will be able to meet outdoors again, obvs with sensible precautions
Secondly, I believe huge strides are being made with Retro virals, so anyone contracting the virus will be given a handful of tablets and be effectively free from all but the lightest of symptoms. Hopefully this medication will be coming onstream as Spring moves to Summer and be fully in place as the year progresses
Thirdly.... the Spanish Flu of 100 years ago took 3 large cycles to mutate itself out of prevalence, with winter deaths spikes....so maybe this one might be somewhat similar.
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If the government imposes new restrictions will you follow them? on 14:40 - Dec 21 with 1502 views
If the government imposes new restrictions will you follow them? on 13:19 - Dec 21 by J2BLUE
I think this is missing another option. A lot of people can only see extreme examples these days so god knows what the are imagining for 'anything' to stop the spread. I would hope with another option, something like 'I will follow any short term restrictions advised by the CMO/CSO' that percentage of people who wouldn't follow them would decrease. I also think there's an element of trolling in polls like this where people know it's going to cause reactions from some people.
[Post edited 21 Dec 2021 13:36]
My intention was not to troll, more that by leaving out the nuanced options, I hoped to hear from people explaining their options, which is I think what is happening. ( and because otherwise there would have been way too many options, or we'd have had a catch all " yeah probably, but depends what they are", which everyone would have ticked, and no discussion would have happened!
As is always the case, reality is nuanced, but internet message boards generally aren't well suited to nuance.
I think the feeling of most of my friends is... I'll be sensible, I'm cutting back contact, I'm testing, I'm trying to meet outdoors where possible, but I want to do it on my terms, not on some blanket lockdown rules.
If the government imposes new restrictions will you follow them? on 13:43 - Dec 21 by ThisIsMyUsername
I voted for 'Got to learn to live with it', because we've got to learn to live with it.
I speak as someone who has been very personally touched by the effects of Covid, and who has also spent time in ITU and seen/worked with patients who died in there from Covid.
I personally do not believe that we can 'live' like this ad infinitum, where it's all over the media 24/7, and we go in and out of restrictions every Winter and/or every time a new variant crops up. It is no way to live, and I cannot do it for much longer. Of course it reduces the number of people who die from the virus, but it is simply no way for everyone else in society to 'live'. I invite anyone to challenge this last point; if so, how are you enjoying things? Call me selfish or ignorant, but I would rather not have to live life like this. Covid is not the only thing that can kill you, nor has it ever been. Mental health is going down the drain as a consequence of all of this (personally speaking, but I know I am not alone); and at some point something has got to give, and someone has to ask questions around whether preventing the spread of another new variant is worth the trade off with all of the resulting negative impacts on peoples' lives. Otherwise will it ever end?
Instead of living the 'Because of Covid' way of life, why don't we properly fund the NHS, so that they have the resources to manage and treat the number of patients with Covid, and ensure that other treatments and procedures for all the other health problems that people have are able to go ahead as normal? If this doesn't happen then are we going to have to go in and out of restrictions, and queue up like sheep for our booster shots, every few months, forever?
People have died in their 1000s every day since time began, even in the 21st century with the level of science and medicine that exists. More people still die from things like heart disease than Covid, so why is the world going to absolute sh*t because of a new virus with a fancy name? As far as I am aware (I haven't looked at the statistics recently) this is also still a virus which for the vast majority of people does not have serious or fatal consequences.
I can only dream of seeing the day when it all 'stops', people approach Covid as no different to flu/heart disease/cancer/[any other health problem]/being hit by a bus etc, and life goes back to normal, however I don't believe this is ever going to happen. I fear that we are too far gone now, and in the name of saving lives, the way of life of everyone in society that we previously enjoyed has been destroyed and irrevocably replaced.
I've already said in this post that I cannot live like this much longer. It is true - I would rather not, than 'live' like this for the rest of my natural life. It is impossible to make concrete plans for the future, or to have any idea of the circumstances or context in which we will be living in 6 months, a year, 5 years.
I sincerely apologise if I have offended anyone; I don't mean to. I may be wildly off the mark and not truly appreciative of the bigger picture. But I've never lived through a pandemic and so I don't know how these things should go. However I don't believe that anything I have said should be taken as particularly controversial or offensive. I appreciate it may be a different view point to other people, but I don't believe it to be less valid.
I'm sure I'll get a ton of negative responses so apologies in advance for not responding to most (or any) of them.
[Post edited 21 Dec 2021 18:52]
I think there will be changes to the way we live as a result of Covid.
But at the moment we're staggering from emergency reaction to emergency reaction as the waves come through. And by "we", I mean the whole world. This situation needs some leadership and coherent planning, not just a pious hope that things will "get back to normal".
Like you say, prioritising healthcare provision and funding. Also research into treatments, better detection and prevention measures. Even things like better broadband so people can zoom (or whatever) without technical glitches.
Eventually, we can be in the position of living with Covid without mass hospitalisation and deaths.
Depends on the restrictions. I don't think there will be a national travel ban. Obviously if its a closing of hospitality there is no choice even though my preferred solution for pubs and restaurants would be to make triple jabs and negative tests mandatory and reintroduce distancing and table service indoors. If it's banning indoor mixing then no, I will continue to mix selectively with other triple jabbed and tested people. We intend to go to a dinner party on NYE for 10 people all triple jabbed and all who will be tested on the day and who will have had little social contact in the days leading up. 3 of this group have had covid in the last 6 months with minimal effectd so I believe the vaccines work well. Nothing I've yet seen of Omicron suggests I should doubt this. My view remains we have not been vaccinated to totally hide away and must maintain a sensible balance in living with it as safely as we can.
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If the government imposes new restrictions will you follow them? on 15:56 - Dec 21 with 1399 views
If the government imposes new restrictions will you follow them? on 14:40 - Dec 21 by SaleAway
My intention was not to troll, more that by leaving out the nuanced options, I hoped to hear from people explaining their options, which is I think what is happening. ( and because otherwise there would have been way too many options, or we'd have had a catch all " yeah probably, but depends what they are", which everyone would have ticked, and no discussion would have happened!
As is always the case, reality is nuanced, but internet message boards generally aren't well suited to nuance.
I think the feeling of most of my friends is... I'll be sensible, I'm cutting back contact, I'm testing, I'm trying to meet outdoors where possible, but I want to do it on my terms, not on some blanket lockdown rules.
Sorry I didn't mean you. I meant people voting that they would not follow the rules when really they would. Just to get a reaction out of others.
If the government imposes new restrictions will you follow them? on 13:43 - Dec 21 by ThisIsMyUsername
I voted for 'Got to learn to live with it', because we've got to learn to live with it.
I speak as someone who has been very personally touched by the effects of Covid, and who has also spent time in ITU and seen/worked with patients who died in there from Covid.
I personally do not believe that we can 'live' like this ad infinitum, where it's all over the media 24/7, and we go in and out of restrictions every Winter and/or every time a new variant crops up. It is no way to live, and I cannot do it for much longer. Of course it reduces the number of people who die from the virus, but it is simply no way for everyone else in society to 'live'. I invite anyone to challenge this last point; if so, how are you enjoying things? Call me selfish or ignorant, but I would rather not have to live life like this. Covid is not the only thing that can kill you, nor has it ever been. Mental health is going down the drain as a consequence of all of this (personally speaking, but I know I am not alone); and at some point something has got to give, and someone has to ask questions around whether preventing the spread of another new variant is worth the trade off with all of the resulting negative impacts on peoples' lives. Otherwise will it ever end?
Instead of living the 'Because of Covid' way of life, why don't we properly fund the NHS, so that they have the resources to manage and treat the number of patients with Covid, and ensure that other treatments and procedures for all the other health problems that people have are able to go ahead as normal? If this doesn't happen then are we going to have to go in and out of restrictions, and queue up like sheep for our booster shots, every few months, forever?
People have died in their 1000s every day since time began, even in the 21st century with the level of science and medicine that exists. More people still die from things like heart disease than Covid, so why is the world going to absolute sh*t because of a new virus with a fancy name? As far as I am aware (I haven't looked at the statistics recently) this is also still a virus which for the vast majority of people does not have serious or fatal consequences.
I can only dream of seeing the day when it all 'stops', people approach Covid as no different to flu/heart disease/cancer/[any other health problem]/being hit by a bus etc, and life goes back to normal, however I don't believe this is ever going to happen. I fear that we are too far gone now, and in the name of saving lives, the way of life of everyone in society that we previously enjoyed has been destroyed and irrevocably replaced.
I've already said in this post that I cannot live like this much longer. It is true - I would rather not, than 'live' like this for the rest of my natural life. It is impossible to make concrete plans for the future, or to have any idea of the circumstances or context in which we will be living in 6 months, a year, 5 years.
I sincerely apologise if I have offended anyone; I don't mean to. I may be wildly off the mark and not truly appreciative of the bigger picture. But I've never lived through a pandemic and so I don't know how these things should go. However I don't believe that anything I have said should be taken as particularly controversial or offensive. I appreciate it may be a different view point to other people, but I don't believe it to be less valid.
I'm sure I'll get a ton of negative responses so apologies in advance for not responding to most (or any) of them.
If the government imposes new restrictions will you follow them? on 13:43 - Dec 21 by ThisIsMyUsername
I voted for 'Got to learn to live with it', because we've got to learn to live with it.
I speak as someone who has been very personally touched by the effects of Covid, and who has also spent time in ITU and seen/worked with patients who died in there from Covid.
I personally do not believe that we can 'live' like this ad infinitum, where it's all over the media 24/7, and we go in and out of restrictions every Winter and/or every time a new variant crops up. It is no way to live, and I cannot do it for much longer. Of course it reduces the number of people who die from the virus, but it is simply no way for everyone else in society to 'live'. I invite anyone to challenge this last point; if so, how are you enjoying things? Call me selfish or ignorant, but I would rather not have to live life like this. Covid is not the only thing that can kill you, nor has it ever been. Mental health is going down the drain as a consequence of all of this (personally speaking, but I know I am not alone); and at some point something has got to give, and someone has to ask questions around whether preventing the spread of another new variant is worth the trade off with all of the resulting negative impacts on peoples' lives. Otherwise will it ever end?
Instead of living the 'Because of Covid' way of life, why don't we properly fund the NHS, so that they have the resources to manage and treat the number of patients with Covid, and ensure that other treatments and procedures for all the other health problems that people have are able to go ahead as normal? If this doesn't happen then are we going to have to go in and out of restrictions, and queue up like sheep for our booster shots, every few months, forever?
People have died in their 1000s every day since time began, even in the 21st century with the level of science and medicine that exists. More people still die from things like heart disease than Covid, so why is the world going to absolute sh*t because of a new virus with a fancy name? As far as I am aware (I haven't looked at the statistics recently) this is also still a virus which for the vast majority of people does not have serious or fatal consequences.
I can only dream of seeing the day when it all 'stops', people approach Covid as no different to flu/heart disease/cancer/[any other health problem]/being hit by a bus etc, and life goes back to normal, however I don't believe this is ever going to happen. I fear that we are too far gone now, and in the name of saving lives, the way of life of everyone in society that we previously enjoyed has been destroyed and irrevocably replaced.
I've already said in this post that I cannot live like this much longer. It is true - I would rather not, than 'live' like this for the rest of my natural life. It is impossible to make concrete plans for the future, or to have any idea of the circumstances or context in which we will be living in 6 months, a year, 5 years.
I sincerely apologise if I have offended anyone; I don't mean to. I may be wildly off the mark and not truly appreciative of the bigger picture. But I've never lived through a pandemic and so I don't know how these things should go. However I don't believe that anything I have said should be taken as particularly controversial or offensive. I appreciate it may be a different view point to other people, but I don't believe it to be less valid.
I'm sure I'll get a ton of negative responses so apologies in advance for not responding to most (or any) of them.
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I'm of the opinion that we ought to be ready for intermittent, short, circuit breaker type lockdowns at times when a wave of unknown magnitude or severity is coming, to control the thing on a precautionary basis so we are not overwhelmed. That's where I think we were last week, and that's still what I think the government should be doing right now.
However, I have never read such a touching opposite(ish) argument as yours, and it has really moved me. I don't think I will fundamentally change my view at this point, but thank you for giving me good reason to think hard again about the opposite side of the argument, and my very, very best wishes to you, fellow blue.
Whatever the outcome of the next few weeks, I think (for what that's worth ) we will 'soon' be getting to the point where we are learning to live with it, with hopefully smarter vaccines and rapid vaccine development technologies, better treatments, and hopefully a natural weakening of this family of viruses with time. My gut feel is that not only is the Covid situation going to improve a lot in 2022, but Town are also either going to make a late, successful charge into the play-offs, or at least make a cracking start to next season. Either way, things will soon be looking up, baby.
I was expecting to get slaughtered for daring to make some of the points I made but it's reassuring to know that people can appreciate both sides of the argument.
If the government imposes new restrictions will you follow them? on 14:40 - Dec 21 by SaleAway
My intention was not to troll, more that by leaving out the nuanced options, I hoped to hear from people explaining their options, which is I think what is happening. ( and because otherwise there would have been way too many options, or we'd have had a catch all " yeah probably, but depends what they are", which everyone would have ticked, and no discussion would have happened!
As is always the case, reality is nuanced, but internet message boards generally aren't well suited to nuance.
I think the feeling of most of my friends is... I'll be sensible, I'm cutting back contact, I'm testing, I'm trying to meet outdoors where possible, but I want to do it on my terms, not on some blanket lockdown rules.
Agree totally with your last paragraph as I think do most of my friends and family. Which is a little uncomfortable as it means the government's doing something we agree with.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
If the government imposes new restrictions will you follow them? on 18:11 - Dec 21 by ThisIsMyUsername
I was expecting to get slaughtered for daring to make some of the points I made but it's reassuring to know that people can appreciate both sides of the argument.
If people go the trouble to make a good, cogent argument, it will get respected and appreciated, even if views differ....
You are the obsolete SRN4 to my Fairey Rotodyne....
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) we will 'soon' be getting to the point where we are learning to live with it, with hopefully smarter vaccines and rapid vaccine development technologies, better treatments, and hopefully a natural weakening of this family of viruses with time. My gut feel is that not only is the Covid situation going to improve a lot in 2022, but Town are also either going to make a late, successful charge into the play-offs, or at least make a cracking start to next season. Either way, things will soon be looking up, baby. 
