| The Ashes over 01:02 - Dec 28 with 3111 views | bournemouthblue |
in less than 2 and a half games!
Absolutely shocking
Silverwood to go
Root to lose the captaincy?
A review of the county cricket system potentially
KP has been mumbling about a Franchise Red Ball Tournament
Do England need to practice on drop in pitches in the lead up Ashes Series, perhaps use the Kookaburra ball too?
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| The Ashes over on 01:08 - Dec 28 with 1863 views | Samuelowen88 |
Who would you replace Root with? Stokes is probably the only viable alternative.
And although some blame is with Silverwood, not all. You cant blame him for the utter dross the batters have served up.
Its the bowlers i feel sorry for. Gave it their all to drag us back into contention, then your colleagues do that |  |
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| The Ashes over on 01:09 - Dec 28 with 1860 views | XYZ |
Not bad idea from KP.
If your best upcoming players are not playing red ball cricket in July and August they're not going to have a chance. |  | | |
| The Ashes over on 01:13 - Dec 28 with 1833 views | Whos_blue |
Well, at least I haven't had to stay up too late.
Shambles. |  |
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| The Ashes over on 01:20 - Dec 28 with 1821 views | stonojnr |
| The Ashes over on 01:08 - Dec 28 by Samuelowen88 |
Who would you replace Root with? Stokes is probably the only viable alternative.
And although some blame is with Silverwood, not all. You cant blame him for the utter dross the batters have served up.
Its the bowlers i feel sorry for. Gave it their all to drag us back into contention, then your colleagues do that |
I wouldnt give Stokes the captaincy just because he's already the teams goto bowler & goto batter to "dig us out of trouble" a bit like Flintoff was back in 06/07 and that didnt work out to well as you add the captaincy in that mix of roles, and its a lot of extra stuff to cope with because its not just your game you have to concern yourself with, its the whole teams, and thats more than one player on the team should have to cope with, and Id be concerned about overloading him, burning him out and wrecking what England need him to do which is bat and bowl well.
although I think Root isnt the greatest captain England have had, in that he makes things alot harder for England than we need to, I still think he is the best candidate for the job in the squad, and is at least not affecting his batting.
Silverwood probably will have to go, but its not wholly him to blame, it goes back to Giles as well, and the whole ECB management who set this direction.
dont make Silverwood the fall guy for this if none of those others go too because nothing will change, and we'll be sitting here 4 years from now bemoaning how we havent prepared for the Ashes again. | | | |
| The Ashes over on 01:26 - Dec 28 with 1803 views | stonojnr |
drop in pitches these days arent the problem, they are actually very good and the groundsmen know how to prepare them properly, thats not the issue & weve taken to blaming the pitches just like we did in India, because we cant just apply batting on them properly.
they actually made the Kookaburra ball this year, to be closer to the Duke,to keep the seam stronger and not go as soft as it used to, and it was supposed to help seam bowlers | | | |
| The Ashes over on 01:26 - Dec 28 with 1802 views | SWGF |
| The Ashes over on 01:08 - Dec 28 by Samuelowen88 |
Who would you replace Root with? Stokes is probably the only viable alternative.
And although some blame is with Silverwood, not all. You cant blame him for the utter dross the batters have served up.
Its the bowlers i feel sorry for. Gave it their all to drag us back into contention, then your colleagues do that |
Silverwood has to go, given he's the sole selector and main initiator of tactics.
Re: captaincy, they're facked. They're isn't another batsmen (or bowler) who is guaranteed a place. Can't burden Stokes. |  |
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| The Ashes over on 01:36 - Dec 28 with 1787 views | Samuelowen88 |
Root, Anderson.
Wood(?)
Anyone else that you could say has done well? This Root hasn't made a ton really annoys me. How is he ment to when he comes in in the 4th over every time | |
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| The Ashes over on 01:42 - Dec 28 with 1776 views | bournemouthblue |
| The Ashes over on 01:26 - Dec 28 by stonojnr |
drop in pitches these days arent the problem, they are actually very good and the groundsmen know how to prepare them properly, thats not the issue & weve taken to blaming the pitches just like we did in India, because we cant just apply batting on them properly.
they actually made the Kookaburra ball this year, to be closer to the Duke,to keep the seam stronger and not go as soft as it used to, and it was supposed to help seam bowlers |
It's not so much that, I just wonder if having pitches with more carry could be useful compared to the green seamers we are serving up in the Spring and Autumn
We need to learn how to bat on flat bouncier pitches
I'd be interested to know how pitches compare across the country in the grass roots game, given the relative dryness we get in East Anglia
In 2020 outfields were yellow in the middle of the summer, other parts of the country were still lush and green, it would be interesting to compare [Post edited 28 Dec 2021 1:43]
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| The Ashes over on 01:58 - Dec 28 with 1732 views | stonojnr |
| The Ashes over on 01:42 - Dec 28 by bournemouthblue |
It's not so much that, I just wonder if having pitches with more carry could be useful compared to the green seamers we are serving up in the Spring and Autumn
We need to learn how to bat on flat bouncier pitches
I'd be interested to know how pitches compare across the country in the grass roots game, given the relative dryness we get in East Anglia
In 2020 outfields were yellow in the middle of the summer, other parts of the country were still lush and green, it would be interesting to compare [Post edited 28 Dec 2021 1:43]
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I agree we need to learn to bat on flat bouncier pitches, but its because the ECB push the 4day county game to April and September (nearly October this year wasnt it) to fit in all their obsession on white ball cricket, all you end up with is playing on green seaming pitches that produces poor technique, and players who struggle when conditions arent like that.
we need to play 4 day cricket in the summer & drop the hundred.
I would get rid of Silverwood purely for his post match interview claiming positives from a game when weve just lost the Ashes 3-0 posting one of our lowest totals against Australia. At least Root said it was a gut wrenching disappointing loss. | | | |
| The Ashes over on 02:24 - Dec 28 with 1702 views | Melford |
| The Ashes over on 01:42 - Dec 28 by bournemouthblue |
It's not so much that, I just wonder if having pitches with more carry could be useful compared to the green seamers we are serving up in the Spring and Autumn
We need to learn how to bat on flat bouncier pitches
I'd be interested to know how pitches compare across the country in the grass roots game, given the relative dryness we get in East Anglia
In 2020 outfields were yellow in the middle of the summer, other parts of the country were still lush and green, it would be interesting to compare [Post edited 28 Dec 2021 1:43]
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I was at the last innings Dan Lawrence played before coming out to Aus, he got 33 as Essex scored 170 and won the match by an innings and 44. 15 wickets fell on the first day. Pretty much all the scorecards for that last round of CC fixtures were the same, that's no preparation for what you have to do playing Test cricket. |  |
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| The Ashes over on 03:28 - Dec 28 with 1637 views | Enigma_Blue |
| The Ashes over on 01:36 - Dec 28 by Samuelowen88 |
Root, Anderson.
Wood(?)
Anyone else that you could say has done well? This Root hasn't made a ton really annoys me. How is he ment to when he comes in in the 4th over every time |
Wood is distinctly average, I have never rated him. He may be able to bowl fast but he does not have the same level of skill as say Starc & Cummings.
Ollie Robinson has done alright. | | | |
| The Ashes over on 06:19 - Dec 28 with 1533 views | IpswichKnight |
| The Ashes over on 01:09 - Dec 28 by XYZ |
Not bad idea from KP.
If your best upcoming players are not playing red ball cricket in July and August they're not going to have a chance. |
It’s terrible idea as it would only take place at test grounds, Essex, Worcestershire, Somerset,Kent and Sussex would cease to exist. While $urrey, Middlesex, Yorkshire and Durham get the dosh despite being utter rubbish in 4 day cricket.
It would lose thousands of fans like me. Already disenfranchised as no 100 team to support don’t give a flying toss about the London Spirit who according to the ECB we in the East should support.
Dump the 100 for Mens cricket, invest in the blast, play 4 day cricket in June/July/August. | | | |
| The Ashes over on 07:43 - Dec 28 with 1437 views | Ftnfwest |
Our days of being a test playing nation are over really, they should create two divisions in the WTC with promotion and relegation. Conceding large margins of defeat as we always do in Australia isn’t fair on the other countries who usually fight out closer series outcomes or at best get a 3-0 score line. There are no red ball players coming through anyway. |  | | |
| The Ashes over on 08:06 - Dec 28 with 1396 views | Guthrum |
England's success in the last 20 years has been founded on having at least one rock-solid opener (Vaughan, Trescothick, Strauss, Cook), followed up by some power at 3 or 4 (e.g. KP). Currently we don't have the former, so the latter has nothing to build on.
We need to focus on developing some specialist Test openers. Calm, relaxed batsmen who can defend when needed. Not twitching, over-aggressive ones who always look likely to give their wickets away. The only one we've had close is Sibley, but he's too much the other way, unable to score at all.
That's not just a matter of selection, but also coaching. |  |
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| The Ashes over on 08:42 - Dec 28 with 1347 views | Guthrum |
| The Ashes over on 01:20 - Dec 28 by stonojnr |
I wouldnt give Stokes the captaincy just because he's already the teams goto bowler & goto batter to "dig us out of trouble" a bit like Flintoff was back in 06/07 and that didnt work out to well as you add the captaincy in that mix of roles, and its a lot of extra stuff to cope with because its not just your game you have to concern yourself with, its the whole teams, and thats more than one player on the team should have to cope with, and Id be concerned about overloading him, burning him out and wrecking what England need him to do which is bat and bowl well.
although I think Root isnt the greatest captain England have had, in that he makes things alot harder for England than we need to, I still think he is the best candidate for the job in the squad, and is at least not affecting his batting.
Silverwood probably will have to go, but its not wholly him to blame, it goes back to Giles as well, and the whole ECB management who set this direction.
dont make Silverwood the fall guy for this if none of those others go too because nothing will change, and we'll be sitting here 4 years from now bemoaning how we havent prepared for the Ashes again. |
One of England's problems is that they have become too reliant on "get us out of a hole" guys: Root, Stokes - Buttler in ODI/T20. It's all very well in an emergency, but doing it every game puts excessive strain on them and gives too much leeway to the others. | |
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| The Ashes over on 08:55 - Dec 28 with 1313 views | gtsb1966 |
The short form of cricket is what the public love to see, not the purists admittedly, and what the TV companies want. It's where the money is and it's not going to change. Test cricket will never die but the standard will keep dropping. Going to play in the Big Bash and the IPL is probably most of the top players priorities now purely because of the money. |  | | |
| The Ashes over on 09:04 - Dec 28 with 1296 views | Herbivore |
Absolutely hopeless. We don't have a single opener that is close to Test quality, we've not had a reliable number 3 in years (possibly since Trott?), and the middle order is great if the openers have done their job and they can tan it against tiring bowlers but it's not remotely suited to continually coming in after 10 overs and facing a newish ball and a fired up attack, hence the regular collapses. There's such an absence of both technique and application in the batting at the moment, Root aside. |  |
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| The Ashes over on 09:05 - Dec 28 with 1289 views | Funge |
| The Ashes over on 08:55 - Dec 28 by gtsb1966 |
The short form of cricket is what the public love to see, not the purists admittedly, and what the TV companies want. It's where the money is and it's not going to change. Test cricket will never die but the standard will keep dropping. Going to play in the Big Bash and the IPL is probably most of the top players priorities now purely because of the money. |
I dunno, I think Test cricket could well be dying - the entire focus of the game is now on the IPL; why train yourself to bat for a day, when you can pay the bills by smacking it for 30 minutes?
However you look at it, it's a pure mess as an England fan. |  | | |
| The Ashes over on 09:07 - Dec 28 with 1281 views | Herbivore |
| The Ashes over on 08:55 - Dec 28 by gtsb1966 |
The short form of cricket is what the public love to see, not the purists admittedly, and what the TV companies want. It's where the money is and it's not going to change. Test cricket will never die but the standard will keep dropping. Going to play in the Big Bash and the IPL is probably most of the top players priorities now purely because of the money. |
I'd be interested to see what the TV viewing figures are like, but certainly summer tests in England frequently sell out and that's not often the case in 50 over and 20 over formats. There's still a big appetite for Test cricket and other nations are still producing very good Test sides, we just don't seem to be remotely capable of doing so at the minute. | |
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| The Ashes over on 09:10 - Dec 28 with 1268 views | Darth_Koont |
| The Ashes over on 07:43 - Dec 28 by Ftnfwest |
Our days of being a test playing nation are over really, they should create two divisions in the WTC with promotion and relegation. Conceding large margins of defeat as we always do in Australia isn’t fair on the other countries who usually fight out closer series outcomes or at best get a 3-0 score line. There are no red ball players coming through anyway. |
If England and Wales can’t handle it, maybe time to give Ireland and Scotland a shot?
It’ll be an uphill and underdog fight but let’s see what Calibernia can do. At the very worst they’ll lose every Test too. |  |
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| The Ashes over on 09:13 - Dec 28 with 1254 views | Funge |
| The Ashes over on 09:07 - Dec 28 by Herbivore |
I'd be interested to see what the TV viewing figures are like, but certainly summer tests in England frequently sell out and that's not often the case in 50 over and 20 over formats. There's still a big appetite for Test cricket and other nations are still producing very good Test sides, we just don't seem to be remotely capable of doing so at the minute. |
This is true, but for how much longer, I wonder?
As time passes, it becomes ever easier to look back to 2005 - a sizeable portion of the country watching Freddie and KPs gang, performing in one of the greatest ever series - before the ECB sold the whole thing behind a paywall.
It's the nature of modern sport - but god, what a missed opportunity (and, of course, we know about those as ITFC fans). | | | |
| The Ashes over on 09:21 - Dec 28 with 1213 views | Ftnfwest |
| The Ashes over on 09:10 - Dec 28 by Darth_Koont |
If England and Wales can’t handle it, maybe time to give Ireland and Scotland a shot?
It’ll be an uphill and underdog fight but let’s see what Calibernia can do. At the very worst they’ll lose every Test too. |
Why not? We should at least be playing those sides in a division two WTC. Given what’s happened this year maybe we just pick players of Asian heritage as they’d be more competitive. | | | |
| The Ashes over on 09:23 - Dec 28 with 1198 views | Churchman |
We have very few players capable of playing test match cricket and even fewer wanting to. Franchise cricket is where the money is.
English cricket needs to decide what it wants and restructure itself accordingly. There is little point in playing series like this if we cannot compete. |  | | |
| The Ashes over on 09:23 - Dec 28 with 1193 views | Herbivore |
| The Ashes over on 09:21 - Dec 28 by Ftnfwest |
Why not? We should at least be playing those sides in a division two WTC. Given what’s happened this year maybe we just pick players of Asian heritage as they’d be more competitive. |
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| The Ashes over on 09:38 - Dec 28 with 1146 views | Guthrum |
One thing to bear in mind amidst the wailing and gnashing of teeth is that during 2021 we have played two of the strongest test nations (India and Australia) on their home pitches. That's a tough prospect even for the most in form team. Two long tours under Covid bubble conditions, also.
We must be careful not to go too overboard on what, in reality, weren't overly surprising results. | |
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