| what did happen with norwood? 17:42 - Jan 9 with 6709 views | positivity |
burns says "“I think everyone knows pretty much what went on with Nors", but has it ever been explained?
norwood seemed adamant it wasn't cook's doing, so is the consensus that it was ashton or that cook was told not to play him by the fitness team? |  |
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| what did happen with norwood? on 12:24 - Jan 10 with 1347 views | GlasgowBlue |
| what did happen with norwood? on 10:14 - Jan 10 by Herbivore |
Thanks for clarifying, Phil. I thought I'd seen some talk at the time that it was top brass who wanted him gone but didn't want to suggest that without checking. |
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| what did happen with norwood? on 12:28 - Jan 10 with 1332 views | Herbivore |
| what did happen with norwood? on 12:24 - Jan 10 by GlasgowBlue |
Ha. |
What's funny? Phil clarified that it wasn't the performance department which was exactly what I was saying? |  |
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| what did happen with norwood? on 12:33 - Jan 10 with 1319 views | _sanctimoanious_ |
| what did happen with norwood? on 12:28 - Jan 10 by Herbivore |
What's funny? Phil clarified that it wasn't the performance department which was exactly what I was saying? |
tbf, it is mildly amusing. |  | | |
| what did happen with norwood? on 12:40 - Jan 10 with 1292 views | FightingEssex |
| what did happen with norwood? on 09:27 - Jan 10 by WD19 |
OK, so what is your theory given that is has been firmly established (by Norwood himself) that Norwoods non-selection was not a Cook choice? |
I really do not think Cook is the dishonest type either, he's pretty straight, maybe Ashton liberalised that area for the new management team coming in recognising that it may have caused an issue? If so, a good move because while you want a fitness edge, you don't always need the fittest players to do a job in the lower leagues. If Ashton is able to adapt and change with what is and isn't working and be fluid as a CEO, he's already a lightyear ahead of Evans.
We had a player who pretty much scores every game on the books rotting in the reserves ready to go to our rivals. Bonne is having a great influence on the bloke, he's a class character and hopefully he can bring the best out in Norwood both on and off the field. Bonne is a bit of a leader, we've seen it on the pitch. Norwood for all his faults works his socks off and wants to win, which is more than be said for a lot of players have had over the past 5 awful years. |  |
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| what did happen with norwood? on 14:55 - Jan 10 with 1208 views | Meadowlark |
| what did happen with norwood? on 12:23 - Jan 10 by Herbivore |
Well this isn't his first drink driving conviction if you really want to go down the route of exploring all his misdemeanours. Then there's the dressing up in black face as well. Added to that using a photo of his teammates cousin who has albinism to try and score points on social media, that was beyond crass. That's before the general social media 'antics' where I see your "sharp sense of humour" and raise you "complete bellend". Oh, and then there's his failure to look after himself during lockdown (allegedly, but backed up by enough people 'in the know' to give it credence). |
OKl
I asked for examples and you reponded. I honestly was not aware of that stuff, apart from the 1st DD conviction. I stand corrected.
Is the lack of fitness thing real though? If so, was it brought on by his treatment by the club?
I still think the stuff I saw on social media was funny, but I agree that the ones you describe are not too clever.
Is he forgiven now, or should we still get rid?
I say keep. |  | | |
| what did happen with norwood? on 15:11 - Jan 10 with 1180 views | OriginalMarkyP |
I think that all the nonsense of saying he has a poor touch and isn't a good footballer needs addressing,
His touch is actually surprisingly good.
Most of his best finishes are first touches for starters, and first touch finishes as any pro will tell you are one of the hardest things to get right.
Also watch the goals in the last game. Especially Bonne's, it's Norwood's one touch flick inside that puts the ball into Morsy allows Morsy to release Burns' pace in the centre of the park which opens the space.
His off the ball movement is the best at the club.
Ask a pro, ask his teammates about Norwood's game intelligence. His game play that he brings. They'd say he makes a massive difference. Butcher, Mills. Actual legends of the club who have more England caps between them than God. And both captains of their country. They'd have him in every week and have said as much.
Off he pitch he is undoubtly not everyone's cup of tea. But he is a much better player than his detractors are prepared to admit. [Post edited 10 Jan 2022 15:12]
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| what did happen with norwood? on 15:19 - Jan 10 with 1168 views | Tonytown |
| what did happen with norwood? on 12:23 - Jan 10 by Herbivore |
Well this isn't his first drink driving conviction if you really want to go down the route of exploring all his misdemeanours. Then there's the dressing up in black face as well. Added to that using a photo of his teammates cousin who has albinism to try and score points on social media, that was beyond crass. That's before the general social media 'antics' where I see your "sharp sense of humour" and raise you "complete bellend". Oh, and then there's his failure to look after himself during lockdown (allegedly, but backed up by enough people 'in the know' to give it credence). |
But apart from that??? | | | |
| what did happen with norwood? on 15:21 - Jan 10 with 1165 views | gordon |
| what did happen with norwood? on 09:18 - Jan 10 by Herbivore |
Again, I think that requires a fair few leaps of logic. He was reportedly put on the transfer list at the same time he was binned to the under 23s. Would that have happened if he just wasn't quite match fit? And how did he then miraculously achieve match fitness the instant that Cook left? It doesn't stack up for me. |
I don't really follow what leaps of logic I made, I just stated the publicly known facts. |  | | |
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| what did happen with norwood? on 15:31 - Jan 10 with 1153 views | Kieran_Knows |
| what did happen with norwood? on 12:19 - Jan 10 by Meadowlark |
This continuing narrative about Norwood's "antics" bemuses me. Yes, he is appealing a drink driving charge, which is not a good look for him or for the club's reputation, but apart from that?
Antics with an 's' implies more than one, if not many such misdemeanours. Please enlighten me?
His social media accounts showed a disdain for idiots, a sharp sense of humour and an ability to give as good as he got from the countless trolls who were dissing him and joining the in-crowd on the anti-Norwood bandwagon. His put-downs were sometimes a little harsh, but often hilarious, but the mock horror from those "offended" by them was laughable.
I for one am glad he's back as I was calling for his return throughout his exile.
Was his professionalism on the pitch or in training ever in question? I don't think so.
I suspect our goody goody US owners didn't like the cut of his job, but now that he's scoring goals they'll turn a blind eye. |
Yeah, you have no idea on his antics at all.
What I will say, from what I've heard, is that fair play to Norwood, I think the penny has finally dropped with him over the last few weeks and he's got his head down and is a lot quieter around the place, just going about his business (which he did last summer as well to be fair, and was one of those that survived Cooks cull). |  |
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| what did happen with norwood? on 16:00 - Jan 10 with 1097 views | Herbivore |
| what did happen with norwood? on 15:21 - Jan 10 by gordon |
I don't really follow what leaps of logic I made, I just stated the publicly known facts. |
Well you went from a couple of "known facts" to "it's likely it was the fitness team", which Phil has subsequently said wasn't the case and it was more top brass being fed up with him being a tit by the sounds of it. | |
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| what did happen with norwood? on 16:11 - Jan 10 with 1071 views | positivity |
thanks everyone.
guess we'll probably never totally get to the bottom of it, bit of an unreliable narrator aspect to it! | |
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| what did happen with norwood? on 17:03 - Jan 10 with 1013 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| what did happen with norwood? on 15:11 - Jan 10 by OriginalMarkyP |
I think that all the nonsense of saying he has a poor touch and isn't a good footballer needs addressing,
His touch is actually surprisingly good.
Most of his best finishes are first touches for starters, and first touch finishes as any pro will tell you are one of the hardest things to get right.
Also watch the goals in the last game. Especially Bonne's, it's Norwood's one touch flick inside that puts the ball into Morsy allows Morsy to release Burns' pace in the centre of the park which opens the space.
His off the ball movement is the best at the club.
Ask a pro, ask his teammates about Norwood's game intelligence. His game play that he brings. They'd say he makes a massive difference. Butcher, Mills. Actual legends of the club who have more England caps between them than God. And both captains of their country. They'd have him in every week and have said as much.
Off he pitch he is undoubtly not everyone's cup of tea. But he is a much better player than his detractors are prepared to admit. [Post edited 10 Jan 2022 15:12]
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He's clearly a decent player at this level and will score goals. | | | |
| what did happen with norwood? on 17:33 - Jan 10 with 986 views | Bluesky |
| what did happen with norwood? on 09:16 - Jan 10 by gordon |
It was a bit odd on the face of it - Norwood said that it wasn't Cook's decision not to include him, and so it's likely that it was the fitness team, but then he was available when McGreal was in charge. Of course they might have just deemed that he was fit enough then, but given Cook's comments about working with the fitness team being difficult, it's not unreasonable to think that something more was going on (given Norwood's history as well). |
Or McGreal said B***s I want him and I'll play him if I want to. Who's manager here?...... Praps..? |  | | |
| what did happen with norwood? on 17:37 - Jan 10 with 972 views | Franzgumm |
| what did happen with norwood? on 09:27 - Jan 10 by WD19 |
OK, so what is your theory given that is has been firmly established (by Norwood himself) that Norwoods non-selection was not a Cook choice? |
The other suggestion is that he was kept out of the team for disciplinary reasons - relating to the drink driving case.
The fact that Burns has said that everyone knows, it does seem that he was dropped because of something that was in the public domain. |  |
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| what did happen with norwood? on 17:41 - Jan 10 with 961 views | gordon |
| what did happen with norwood? on 16:00 - Jan 10 by Herbivore |
Well you went from a couple of "known facts" to "it's likely it was the fitness team", which Phil has subsequently said wasn't the case and it was more top brass being fed up with him being a tit by the sounds of it. |
Sure, I thought it was just the manager selecting the team with input from the fitness dept., I didn't realise that Ashton or others higher up were interfering with team selection. | | | |
| what did happen with norwood? on 17:55 - Jan 10 with 938 views | ArnieM |
| what did happen with norwood? on 09:35 - Jan 10 by Herbivore |
I don't have a theory but I find the idea that the fitness department sent him to the under 23s and transfer listed him, then let him back in the first team squad as soon as Cook left rather far-fetched. I'd also take a tweet from Norwood and anything Cook has said with a massive pinch of salt to be honest, I wouldn't agree that it's "firmly established" that the decision to drop Norwood had nothing to do with Cook. |
Norwood stated himself “ it was not down to Paul Cook , he had his hands tied”. That’s not your logic … it is a statement of fact by the player himself !
It’s Ashtons performance vs Cooks backroom staff . They clearly were not signing from the same
“ data performance” hymn sheet ( written by Heir Ashton). Once Norwood attained the required stats he was allowed to play .
Who runs this team , Ashton or the manager / coach? |  |
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| what did happen with norwood? on 18:23 - Jan 10 with 910 views | Herbivore |
| what did happen with norwood? on 17:55 - Jan 10 by ArnieM |
Norwood stated himself “ it was not down to Paul Cook , he had his hands tied”. That’s not your logic … it is a statement of fact by the player himself !
It’s Ashtons performance vs Cooks backroom staff . They clearly were not signing from the same
“ data performance” hymn sheet ( written by Heir Ashton). Once Norwood attained the required stats he was allowed to play .
Who runs this team , Ashton or the manager / coach? |
Phil has said it wasn't the fitness/performance team that transfer listed him and stuck him in the under 23s. | |
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