| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! 14:50 - Jan 13 with 3505 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
I wonder which definition she fell foul of?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/04/emma-watson-pro-palestinian-post-s
"Emma Watson has been accused of antisemitism by Israel’s former ambassador to the United Nations after she posted a message of support for the Palestinian cause.
Watson, best known for playing Hermione Granger in the Harry Potter films, posted an image on Instagram showing a photograph of a pro-Palestinian protest with the banner “Solidarity is a Verb” written across it. It was accompanied with a quote about the meaning of solidarity from the intersectional feminist scholar Sara Ahmed.
While the post elicited widespread support from Palestinian activists, it drew strong criticism from Israeli officials. The most combative was Danny Danon, who formerly held the posts of science minister in Benjamin Netanyahu’s government and Israeli ambassador to the United Nations. Sharing Watson’s post on Twitter, Dannon said: “10 points from Gryffindor for being an antisemite.”
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/jan/13/hollywood-stars-back-emma-watson-af
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 14:56 - Jan 13 with 1777 views | MattinLondon |
The trouble being that if someone were to back-up Emma Watson and call the Israeli minister ridiculous then that person in turn, will then be called an antisemite. By going on strong against her on this then reduces the meaning of antisemitism and indeed racism in general.
Just because someone has issues with the way Israel behaves it doesn’t make that person anti-Israeli etc it simply means that they don’t approve of a particular course of action. |  | | |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 15:02 - Jan 13 with 1747 views | tractordownsouth |
What Watson said wasn't anti-semitic, I saw many prominent campaigners against anti-semitism say as much on Twitter. |  |
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 15:02 - Jan 13 with 1733 views | Ryorry |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 14:56 - Jan 13 by MattinLondon |
The trouble being that if someone were to back-up Emma Watson and call the Israeli minister ridiculous then that person in turn, will then be called an antisemite. By going on strong against her on this then reduces the meaning of antisemitism and indeed racism in general.
Just because someone has issues with the way Israel behaves it doesn’t make that person anti-Israeli etc it simply means that they don’t approve of a particular course of action. |
"it doesn’t make that person anti-Israeli etc"
If you meant "anti-Jewish" (ie antisemitic) that would be correct.
Edit: Though your meaning would also be correct! (but antisemitism was the issue under discussion). [Post edited 13 Jan 2022 15:04]
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| [Redacted] on 15:23 - Jan 13 with 1678 views | victorywilhappen |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 14:56 - Jan 13 by MattinLondon |
The trouble being that if someone were to back-up Emma Watson and call the Israeli minister ridiculous then that person in turn, will then be called an antisemite. By going on strong against her on this then reduces the meaning of antisemitism and indeed racism in general.
Just because someone has issues with the way Israel behaves it doesn’t make that person anti-Israeli etc it simply means that they don’t approve of a particular course of action. |
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 15:36 - Jan 13 with 1665 views | MattinLondon |
Maybe she has criticised other countries governments in the past. Dunno about that. | | | |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 15:48 - Jan 13 with 1628 views | Darth_Koont |
Why is that raising a flag? The occupation of territory and oppression of the Palestinians has been going on for almost 75 years, all with the tacit support of the US and the UK.
Where else would you start? And why can’t people speak out without the insinuation that there’s something equally sinister behind it? |  |
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 15:51 - Jan 13 with 1603 views | footers |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 15:48 - Jan 13 by Darth_Koont |
Why is that raising a flag? The occupation of territory and oppression of the Palestinians has been going on for almost 75 years, all with the tacit support of the US and the UK.
Where else would you start? And why can’t people speak out without the insinuation that there’s something equally sinister behind it? |
"You're not allowed to point out this problem unless you've pointed out several others first, otherwise it's suspicious."
What if she'd started with a criticism of China but hadn't criticised anyone else before? She'd be a Sinophile? |  |
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 15:52 - Jan 13 with 1603 views | Darth_Koont |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 15:02 - Jan 13 by tractordownsouth |
What Watson said wasn't anti-semitic, I saw many prominent campaigners against anti-semitism say as much on Twitter. |
But they’re in that ballpark.
If she’d mentioned boycotting Israel (which is the natural next step in “Solidarity is a verb” and stopping the Palestinian oppression) then those campaigners would have jumped in with both feet. | |
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 15:55 - Jan 13 with 1579 views | Darth_Koont |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 15:51 - Jan 13 by footers |
"You're not allowed to point out this problem unless you've pointed out several others first, otherwise it's suspicious."
What if she'd started with a criticism of China but hadn't criticised anyone else before? She'd be a Sinophile? |
She’d probably be a Tory MP suddenly exercised about the rights of Muslims. | |
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| [Redacted] on 15:57 - Jan 13 with 1563 views | victorywilhappen |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 15:48 - Jan 13 by Darth_Koont |
Why is that raising a flag? The occupation of territory and oppression of the Palestinians has been going on for almost 75 years, all with the tacit support of the US and the UK.
Where else would you start? And why can’t people speak out without the insinuation that there’s something equally sinister behind it? |
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 16:04 - Jan 13 with 1528 views | Darth_Koont |
Sure. But not without evidence.
A lot of white supremacists are very pro-Israel. But it would be wrong of me to say support for Israel raises a flag. | |
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 16:15 - Jan 13 with 1494 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 15:02 - Jan 13 by tractordownsouth |
What Watson said wasn't anti-semitic, I saw many prominent campaigners against anti-semitism say as much on Twitter. |
It's a shame that the former ambassador to the UN didn't realise that. | |
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| [Redacted] on 16:18 - Jan 13 with 1486 views | victorywilhappen |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 16:04 - Jan 13 by Darth_Koont |
Sure. But not without evidence.
A lot of white supremacists are very pro-Israel. But it would be wrong of me to say support for Israel raises a flag. |
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 16:26 - Jan 13 with 1457 views | GeoffSentence |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 15:51 - Jan 13 by footers |
"You're not allowed to point out this problem unless you've pointed out several others first, otherwise it's suspicious."
What if she'd started with a criticism of China but hadn't criticised anyone else before? She'd be a Sinophile? |
phobe. |  |
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 16:27 - Jan 13 with 1453 views | Darth_Koont |
No, it’s not the land.
They’re just big fans of apartheid and brown people being put “in their place”. | |
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 17:44 - Jan 13 with 1352 views | GlasgowBlue |
Definitely not antisemitic and Emma Watson certainly isn't an antisemite. It's utterly disgraceful of the Israeli politician to label her as such.
This story is a couple of weeks old and the Israeli politician's comment was condemned by most people I know in the movement that fights antisemitism. It was also covered in the JC at the time.
https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/all/emma-watsons-post-was-not-antisemitic-56uc5C
Criticising the Israeli state or expressing solidarity with Palestinians is not antisemitic.
Sadly the antisemites will crawl from under their rock to use this person's comments as a stick to beat Jews around the world who have complained about genuine antisemitism. Just as far right racists and homophobes jumped on the Jussie Smollett's case to trivialise homophobia and racism.
Shame on the antisemites and the cranks who will do this, and shame on this Israeli politician for giving them the ammunition to do so. [Post edited 13 Jan 2022 17:50]
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 17:45 - Jan 13 with 1334 views | factual_blue |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 15:02 - Jan 13 by tractordownsouth |
What Watson said wasn't anti-semitic, I saw many prominent campaigners against anti-semitism say as much on Twitter. |
She'll probably be reported to 'organisations' who investigate this sort of thing though. |  |
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 18:27 - Jan 13 with 1257 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 17:44 - Jan 13 by GlasgowBlue |
Definitely not antisemitic and Emma Watson certainly isn't an antisemite. It's utterly disgraceful of the Israeli politician to label her as such.
This story is a couple of weeks old and the Israeli politician's comment was condemned by most people I know in the movement that fights antisemitism. It was also covered in the JC at the time.
https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/all/emma-watsons-post-was-not-antisemitic-56uc5C
Criticising the Israeli state or expressing solidarity with Palestinians is not antisemitic.
Sadly the antisemites will crawl from under their rock to use this person's comments as a stick to beat Jews around the world who have complained about genuine antisemitism. Just as far right racists and homophobes jumped on the Jussie Smollett's case to trivialise homophobia and racism.
Shame on the antisemites and the cranks who will do this, and shame on this Israeli politician for giving them the ammunition to do so. [Post edited 13 Jan 2022 17:50]
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"Sadly the antisemites will crawl from under their rock to use this person's comments as a stick to beat Jews around the world who have complained about genuine antisemitism."
...are you suggesting that people should not point out the use of this to try to silence criticism? Also has anybody actually done what you claim.
Also in your linked opinion piece we see the concept of Trojan horse antisemitism introduced....in other words 'we know what your real problem is' ....which is an interesting take.
"Throughout 2021 the likes of David Miller and Tony Greenstein used criticism of Israel as a Trojan horse to disguise what many of us considered be their antisemitism." | |
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 18:44 - Jan 13 with 1226 views | XYZ |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 15:51 - Jan 13 by footers |
"You're not allowed to point out this problem unless you've pointed out several others first, otherwise it's suspicious."
What if she'd started with a criticism of China but hadn't criticised anyone else before? She'd be a Sinophile? |
Doesn't a Sinophile like China? |  | | |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 18:55 - Jan 13 with 1188 views | Darth_Koont |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 17:44 - Jan 13 by GlasgowBlue |
Definitely not antisemitic and Emma Watson certainly isn't an antisemite. It's utterly disgraceful of the Israeli politician to label her as such.
This story is a couple of weeks old and the Israeli politician's comment was condemned by most people I know in the movement that fights antisemitism. It was also covered in the JC at the time.
https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/all/emma-watsons-post-was-not-antisemitic-56uc5C
Criticising the Israeli state or expressing solidarity with Palestinians is not antisemitic.
Sadly the antisemites will crawl from under their rock to use this person's comments as a stick to beat Jews around the world who have complained about genuine antisemitism. Just as far right racists and homophobes jumped on the Jussie Smollett's case to trivialise homophobia and racism.
Shame on the antisemites and the cranks who will do this, and shame on this Israeli politician for giving them the ammunition to do so. [Post edited 13 Jan 2022 17:50]
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Is anti-Zionism the same as anti-semitism? Asking for a friend.
That’s become the line in the sand for the CAA and many others, which is frankly ridiculous. It’s not criticism of a race or a religion but of what is frequently expressed as an ethno-religious nationalism and ultimately Islamophobic racism.
I’m an anti-Zionist who supports Israelis living in their homes through basic human rights. And an anti-Zionist who supports Palestinians not being thrown out of theirs for the same reasons. | |
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 18:55 - Jan 13 with 1175 views | Meadowlark |
Yeah, but Corbyn.... |  | | |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 18:57 - Jan 13 with 1161 views | Darth_Koont |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 17:45 - Jan 13 by factual_blue |
She'll probably be reported to 'organisations' who investigate this sort of thing though. |
Indeed. She’ll be on their radar. More support for Palestinians or a tweet critical of the Israeli government can quickly become a “pattern of behaviour”. | |
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 19:28 - Jan 13 with 1113 views | BlueBadger |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 18:27 - Jan 13 by BanksterDebtSlave |
"Sadly the antisemites will crawl from under their rock to use this person's comments as a stick to beat Jews around the world who have complained about genuine antisemitism."
...are you suggesting that people should not point out the use of this to try to silence criticism? Also has anybody actually done what you claim.
Also in your linked opinion piece we see the concept of Trojan horse antisemitism introduced....in other words 'we know what your real problem is' ....which is an interesting take.
"Throughout 2021 the likes of David Miller and Tony Greenstein used criticism of Israel as a Trojan horse to disguise what many of us considered be their antisemitism." |
I think Glassers is trying suggest that we should point out when the Israeli government figures are being dicks by pulling sh1t like this AND when people are being openly antisemitic by saying things like 'they don’t understand English irony either'.
It's not that hard. [Post edited 13 Jan 2022 19:33]
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 19:45 - Jan 13 with 1085 views | Darth_Koont |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 19:28 - Jan 13 by BlueBadger |
I think Glassers is trying suggest that we should point out when the Israeli government figures are being dicks by pulling sh1t like this AND when people are being openly antisemitic by saying things like 'they don’t understand English irony either'.
It's not that hard. [Post edited 13 Jan 2022 19:33]
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Obviously hard for you. You’ve just completely mischaracterised what was said and why. And conflated Israel with “The Jews” in the same breath.
The problem with always looking for a one-liner is that you begin to editorialise your own thoughts. But this isn’t about cheap, disposable quips.
You’re out of your element, Donny. | |
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| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 19:46 - Jan 13 with 1080 views | BlueBadger |
| This antisemitism is easy isn't it! on 18:55 - Jan 13 by Meadowlark |
Yeah, but Corbyn.... |
Who, ironically, genuinely IS, on balance, antisemitic. | |
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