| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour 11:49 - Jan 19 with 5755 views | GlasgowBlue |
Johnson is a gonner . |  |
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:51 - Jan 19 with 2036 views | J2BLUE |
Seems an entirely pointless move on his part? Likely to cost him his seat surely? |  |
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:52 - Jan 19 with 2027 views | ElderGrizzly |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:51 - Jan 19 by J2BLUE |
Seems an entirely pointless move on his part? Likely to cost him his seat surely? |
Maybe, but it makes a very loud point.
Appears to be putting constituents before party (for now anyway) |  | | |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:52 - Jan 19 with 2040 views | tractordownsouth |
Bury South has a Tory majority of 402. If he wants to stick the boot into Johnson and the Tories, surely he’ll stand for Labour in a by election. I imagine he’d easily win. |  |
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:52 - Jan 19 with 2021 views | GlasgowBlue |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:51 - Jan 19 by J2BLUE |
Seems an entirely pointless move on his part? Likely to cost him his seat surely? |
Not really. It's an act of self preservation.
The seat would have most likely reverted back to Labour at the next election. He'll nowe be the Labour candidate in 2024. | |
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:52 - Jan 19 with 2021 views | tractordownsouth |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:51 - Jan 19 by J2BLUE |
Seems an entirely pointless move on his part? Likely to cost him his seat surely? |
Bury South has a Tory majority of 400 so was likely to go back to Labour next time anyway. | |
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:54 - Jan 19 with 2009 views | GlasgowBlue |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:52 - Jan 19 by tractordownsouth |
Bury South has a Tory majority of 402. If he wants to stick the boot into Johnson and the Tories, surely he’ll stand for Labour in a by election. I imagine he’d easily win. |
That's what normally happens. There were a couple who went under Blair.
One, whose name escapes me, became a New Labour Minister. | |
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:55 - Jan 19 with 1991 views | ElderGrizzly |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:52 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Not really. It's an act of self preservation.
The seat would have most likely reverted back to Labour at the next election. He'll nowe be the Labour candidate in 2024. |
He's wasted no time in taking a pop at Johnson either
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:55 - Jan 19 with 1968 views | gordon |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:51 - Jan 19 by J2BLUE |
Seems an entirely pointless move on his part? Likely to cost him his seat surely? |
Absolutely not, only way to keep his seat - it's a traditional labour seat, and he had a tiny majority. There also may be others who see this as the only way to keep their job.
Because he'd already put a letter in to the 1922, think it does mean that there needs to be one more letter in. [Post edited 19 Jan 2022 11:59]
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:56 - Jan 19 with 1965 views | ElderGrizzly |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:54 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
That's what normally happens. There were a couple who went under Blair.
One, whose name escapes me, became a New Labour Minister. |
We obviously did it with more drama in 2019
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:56 - Jan 19 with 1959 views | Steve_M |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:54 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
That's what normally happens. There were a couple who went under Blair.
One, whose name escapes me, became a New Labour Minister. |
Shaun Woodward but there was one since I just read. |  |
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:57 - Jan 19 with 1933 views | tractordownsouth |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:54 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
That's what normally happens. There were a couple who went under Blair.
One, whose name escapes me, became a New Labour Minister. |
Shaun Woodward? | |
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:59 - Jan 19 with 1912 views | Steve_M |
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:59 - Jan 19 with 1902 views | GlasgowBlue |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:56 - Jan 19 by Steve_M |
Shaun Woodward but there was one since I just read. |
Woodward. That's the fella I was thinking of. Alan Howarth was the other. Although he moved seat.
Oswald Mosley was the first Tory to defect to Labour. [Post edited 19 Jan 2022 12:02]
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:00 - Jan 19 with 1889 views | GlasgowBlue |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:55 - Jan 19 by ElderGrizzly |
He's wasted no time in taking a pop at Johnson either
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His full statement
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:01 - Jan 19 with 1873 views | Darth_Koont |
Gmpf. Seems about right. |  |
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:04 - Jan 19 with 1847 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 11:51 - Jan 19 by J2BLUE |
Seems an entirely pointless move on his part? Likely to cost him his seat surely? |
Maybe he's got scruples? Hard to imagine from one of the 2019 intake, but you never know!
Seems a very strange move though. I know there is a history of people crossing the floor, but the parties are miles apart currently (although Corbynites would disagree, I'm sure). |  |
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:12 - Jan 19 with 1795 views | mylittletown |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:04 - Jan 19 by Swansea_Blue |
Maybe he's got scruples? Hard to imagine from one of the 2019 intake, but you never know!
Seems a very strange move though. I know there is a history of people crossing the floor, but the parties are miles apart currently (although Corbynites would disagree, I'm sure). |
He is the one who walked up to Owen Patterson in the Commons and publicly called him a c**t, so maybe not a bad judge. [Post edited 19 Jan 2022 12:12]
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:14 - Jan 19 with 1756 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Will this one qualify as blue labour? |  |
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:23 - Jan 19 with 1721 views | chicoazul |
Remember when I said the Tories and Labour basically think the same about everything and you all shouted at me. |  |
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:28 - Jan 19 with 1672 views | ElderGrizzly |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:04 - Jan 19 by Swansea_Blue |
Maybe he's got scruples? Hard to imagine from one of the 2019 intake, but you never know!
Seems a very strange move though. I know there is a history of people crossing the floor, but the parties are miles apart currently (although Corbynites would disagree, I'm sure). |
One of the biggest Corbynites on Twitter has already done so, accusing Starmer of being right wing
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:29 - Jan 19 with 1673 views | BlueBadger |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:23 - Jan 19 by chicoazul |
Remember when I said the Tories and Labour basically think the same about everything and you all shouted at me. |
Except that he's moved because they DON'T think the same about everything. The Tories are more interested in the cult of personality, culture wars and feathering their own nest, Labour appear at least to be interested in what happens to the country.
Just stick to quoting terorrists to look edgy, you're not clever enough for the 'contratrion' level of 'edgy'. [Post edited 19 Jan 2022 12:33]
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:34 - Jan 19 with 1625 views | Darth_Koont |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:28 - Jan 19 by ElderGrizzly |
One of the biggest Corbynites on Twitter has already done so, accusing Starmer of being right wing
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Certainly one of the loudest and I don’t really pay much attention to her.
But she’s right here. Going from a Conservative MP given their record to a Labour MP is problematic. And if people don’t see that, that in itself shows how used we are to the UK’s enormous democratic deficit. | |
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:38 - Jan 19 with 1582 views | Zx1988 |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:34 - Jan 19 by Darth_Koont |
Certainly one of the loudest and I don’t really pay much attention to her.
But she’s right here. Going from a Conservative MP given their record to a Labour MP is problematic. And if people don’t see that, that in itself shows how used we are to the UK’s enormous democratic deficit. |
It's a tricky one with the voting record etc.,
Having been part of the 2019 intake and keen to make a name for himself, no doubt he'll have voted as he has been told to and, no doubt, he'll be doing his best to follow the Labour whip for the time being as well. He certainly wouldn't want to rub anyone up the wrong way and face deselection when the next GE comes around.
And therein lies the problem - most inexperienced MPs are more concerned with staying onside with their leadership than following their own convictions, and will therefore vote whichever way they're told to vote. |  |
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:38 - Jan 19 with 1579 views | GlasgowBlue |
David Davis has done a Geoffrey Howe on him. | |
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| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:41 - Jan 19 with 1558 views | bluelagos |
| 2019 Tory MP defects to Labour on 12:38 - Jan 19 by GlasgowBlue |
David Davis has done a Geoffrey Howe on him. |
Short and to the point. Whether it is as devestating only time will tell. But he is highly respected, a classic man in a grey suit. |  |
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