| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days 20:00 - Jan 19 with 5611 views | ElderGrizzly |
Sale is unachievable without Boro and Wycombe basically waiving rights to their claims.
EFL have already given their 'advice'
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:02 - Jan 19 with 3652 views | SitfcB |
I know why Wycombe are trying to sue but not sure why Middlesbrough are?? [Post edited 19 Jan 2022 20:07]
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:02 - Jan 19 with 3655 views | The_Romford_Blue |
Why’s it always Wycombe trying to screw over everyone else? Sister shaggers and West Ham aside, I hate Wycombe more than the rest. They’re the anti-football football club. [Post edited 19 Jan 2022 20:03]
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:06 - Jan 19 with 3603 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:02 - Jan 19 by The_Romford_Blue |
Why’s it always Wycombe trying to screw over everyone else? Sister shaggers and West Ham aside, I hate Wycombe more than the rest. They’re the anti-football football club. [Post edited 19 Jan 2022 20:03]
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You can see why Wycombe might be pissed, given they were relegated due to Derby and the EFL dragging out the actions vs Derby.
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:06 - Jan 19 with 3605 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:02 - Jan 19 by SitfcB |
I know why Wycombe are trying to sue but not sure why Middlesbrough are?? [Post edited 19 Jan 2022 20:07]
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:08 - Jan 19 with 3547 views | SitfcB |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:06 - Jan 19 by ElderGrizzly |
You can see why Wycombe might be pissed, given they were relegated due to Derby and the EFL dragging out the actions vs Derby.
Wycombe relegated, Derby stayed up. |
Wycombe should never have gotten promoted anyway so it’s 1-1 in my eyes haha. [Post edited 19 Jan 2022 20:54]
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:08 - Jan 19 with 3543 views | itfcsuth |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:02 - Jan 19 by SitfcB |
I know why Wycombe are trying to sue but not sure why Middlesbrough are?? [Post edited 19 Jan 2022 20:07]
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There argument is that the ground was sold to Mel Morris for £81M I believe in the Frank Lampard season where they reached 6th I’m the play-offs.
If it weren’t for the sale they would have breached FFP and docked instant points thus Boro making the 6th place. |  | | |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:09 - Jan 19 with 3537 views | SitfcB |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:06 - Jan 19 by ElderGrizzly |
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Cheers. So no reason really, Derby just haven’t got many friends, if any. | |
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:09 - Jan 19 with 3521 views | billlm |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:02 - Jan 19 by SitfcB |
I know why Wycombe are trying to sue but not sure why Middlesbrough are?? [Post edited 19 Jan 2022 20:07]
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Could you explain what the issues are with these two clubs and Derby, is it transfer dealings for middlesboro, I think wycombes is they got relegated and feel cheated that derby should have had a points deduction last season, |  | | |
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:09 - Jan 19 with 3523 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:02 - Jan 19 by SitfcB |
I know why Wycombe are trying to sue but not sure why Middlesbrough are?? [Post edited 19 Jan 2022 20:07]
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Boro are suing becsues the season before last they finished 7th and Derby finished in the playoffs. They contend that they missed out on their chance to get to the PL and at the very least lost prize money plus any other revenue from what at least would have been a 2 legged playoff semi final. |  |
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:10 - Jan 19 with 3525 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:06 - Jan 19 by ElderGrizzly |
You can see why Wycombe might be pissed, given they were relegated due to Derby and the EFL dragging out the actions vs Derby.
Wycombe relegated, Derby stayed up. |
Its irrelevant though because that’s football. They were perfectly ok with the EFL making decisions when it suited them and they voted to end the league despite being bottom of the form table. F**k them. | |
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:33 - Jan 19 with 3373 views | Churchman |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:10 - Jan 19 by The_Romford_Blue |
Its irrelevant though because that’s football. They were perfectly ok with the EFL making decisions when it suited them and they voted to end the league despite being bottom of the form table. F**k them. |
You make a very good point RB |  | | |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:33 - Jan 19 with 3369 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:10 - Jan 19 by The_Romford_Blue |
Its irrelevant though because that’s football. They were perfectly ok with the EFL making decisions when it suited them and they voted to end the league despite being bottom of the form table. F**k them. |
Football club in acting in own interests shock |  |
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:34 - Jan 19 with 3367 views | Illinoisblue |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:09 - Jan 19 by BlueandTruesince82 |
Boro are suing becsues the season before last they finished 7th and Derby finished in the playoffs. They contend that they missed out on their chance to get to the PL and at the very least lost prize money plus any other revenue from what at least would have been a 2 legged playoff semi final. |
Derby no doubt cheated but I don’t see how Boro’s claim has any merit legally. So many variables and unknowns to “prove” Derby’s actions caused them a loss. |  |
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:39 - Jan 19 with 3283 views | HighgateBlue |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:34 - Jan 19 by Illinoisblue |
Derby no doubt cheated but I don’t see how Boro’s claim has any merit legally. So many variables and unknowns to “prove” Derby’s actions caused them a loss. |
If Boro can show that they would have got into the playoffs but for Derby's unlawful conduct, then surely they've proven a loss? Even just the profit from the guaranteed two playoff matches would constitute a loss that clearly wouldn't be too remote in law.
Then there's loss of a chance of course (Chaplin v Hicks and all that). The chance being the chance of winning the playoffs. It seems to me there's a reasonable argument that they don't have to prove on the balance of probabilities that they would have won the playoffs.
As for the initial cause of action, I don't know. I can't quite be bothered to look into what the contractual provisions are which bind football clubs in the same division. But I would have thought that causation of at least some loss is not terribly difficult to show. |  | | |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:41 - Jan 19 with 3266 views | gtsb1966 |
I know some on here can't stand Derby , I personally dont like or dislike them, but you cannot help but feel sorry for the fans. There'll be people there who have followed them through thick and thin for many years and it's the fans who are suffering most through no fault of their own. If that was us I would be gutted. [Post edited 19 Jan 2022 20:44]
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:46 - Jan 19 with 3188 views | Illinoisblue |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:39 - Jan 19 by HighgateBlue |
If Boro can show that they would have got into the playoffs but for Derby's unlawful conduct, then surely they've proven a loss? Even just the profit from the guaranteed two playoff matches would constitute a loss that clearly wouldn't be too remote in law.
Then there's loss of a chance of course (Chaplin v Hicks and all that). The chance being the chance of winning the playoffs. It seems to me there's a reasonable argument that they don't have to prove on the balance of probabilities that they would have won the playoffs.
As for the initial cause of action, I don't know. I can't quite be bothered to look into what the contractual provisions are which bind football clubs in the same division. But I would have thought that causation of at least some loss is not terribly difficult to show. |
It’s a big ol can of worms, that’s for sure. This obviously won’t play out like an episode of Law and Order but if it did, could imagine Derby’s lawyers hammering the point about Boro’s end of season form. Think it was something like 1 win in 9. “Don’t look at us cooking the books, look at them being useless at football and causing their own downfall” is not much of a defence but in the absence of anything else… | |
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:46 - Jan 19 with 3183 views | pointofblue |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:39 - Jan 19 by HighgateBlue |
If Boro can show that they would have got into the playoffs but for Derby's unlawful conduct, then surely they've proven a loss? Even just the profit from the guaranteed two playoff matches would constitute a loss that clearly wouldn't be too remote in law.
Then there's loss of a chance of course (Chaplin v Hicks and all that). The chance being the chance of winning the playoffs. It seems to me there's a reasonable argument that they don't have to prove on the balance of probabilities that they would have won the playoffs.
As for the initial cause of action, I don't know. I can't quite be bothered to look into what the contractual provisions are which bind football clubs in the same division. But I would have thought that causation of at least some loss is not terribly difficult to show. |
Middlesbrough are claiming £45m though - no side loses £45m from two play off matches. Promotion was, at least then, worth £180m but they only had a one in four chance of going up then. |  |
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:48 - Jan 19 with 3153 views | itfcjoe |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:09 - Jan 19 by SitfcB |
Cheers. So no reason really, Derby just haven’t got many friends, if any. |
We finished 7th in 15/16 and Derby finished 5th, have just as much a case as Boro! |  |
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:56 - Jan 19 with 3073 views | giant_stow |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:41 - Jan 19 by gtsb1966 |
I know some on here can't stand Derby , I personally dont like or dislike them, but you cannot help but feel sorry for the fans. There'll be people there who have followed them through thick and thin for many years and it's the fans who are suffering most through no fault of their own. If that was us I would be gutted. [Post edited 19 Jan 2022 20:44]
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It will sting for the fans, but they'll just have to happy supporting the phoenix club and lump the non leagues. Personally, I have little sympathy for the club as it cheated. |  |
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:58 - Jan 19 with 3022 views | gtsb1966 |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:56 - Jan 19 by giant_stow |
It will sting for the fans, but they'll just have to happy supporting the phoenix club and lump the non leagues. Personally, I have little sympathy for the club as it cheated. |
You lot burnt a stand down once . Don't come on here and mention cheating  | | | |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:59 - Jan 19 with 3002 views | giant_stow |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:58 - Jan 19 by gtsb1966 |
You lot burnt a stand down once . Don't come on here and mention cheating |
Never sir! A mouse ate a cable and off it went. | |
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 21:00 - Jan 19 with 2988 views | Guthrum |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:39 - Jan 19 by HighgateBlue |
If Boro can show that they would have got into the playoffs but for Derby's unlawful conduct, then surely they've proven a loss? Even just the profit from the guaranteed two playoff matches would constitute a loss that clearly wouldn't be too remote in law.
Then there's loss of a chance of course (Chaplin v Hicks and all that). The chance being the chance of winning the playoffs. It seems to me there's a reasonable argument that they don't have to prove on the balance of probabilities that they would have won the playoffs.
As for the initial cause of action, I don't know. I can't quite be bothered to look into what the contractual provisions are which bind football clubs in the same division. But I would have thought that causation of at least some loss is not terribly difficult to show. |
Tho in terms of an undeserved loss, how far different is it from a refereeing decision subsequently proven wrong, but which costs perhaps vital points? There is no recourse in that case. Just the "rub of the green". But no deliberate cheating, either, admittedly. |  |
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| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 21:05 - Jan 19 with 2943 views | peterleeblue |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:33 - Jan 19 by Churchman |
You make a very good point RB |
Yes you would think that Wycombe would keep their head down and powder dry given they way the took advantage of the COVID season.
Still what goes around comes around. They should not have been in the Championship and then clutching at straws for compo as they thinks they should have kept their unearned place by way of Derby's irregularities that have already screwed teams for many recent years. |  | | |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 21:20 - Jan 19 with 2789 views | Matterhorn |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:59 - Jan 19 by giant_stow |
Never sir! A mouse ate a cable and off it went. |
Loose description of a stand, I’ve seen better sheds! |  | | |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 21:24 - Jan 19 with 2755 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Liquidation for Derby in 12 days on 20:39 - Jan 19 by HighgateBlue |
If Boro can show that they would have got into the playoffs but for Derby's unlawful conduct, then surely they've proven a loss? Even just the profit from the guaranteed two playoff matches would constitute a loss that clearly wouldn't be too remote in law.
Then there's loss of a chance of course (Chaplin v Hicks and all that). The chance being the chance of winning the playoffs. It seems to me there's a reasonable argument that they don't have to prove on the balance of probabilities that they would have won the playoffs.
As for the initial cause of action, I don't know. I can't quite be bothered to look into what the contractual provisions are which bind football clubs in the same division. But I would have thought that causation of at least some loss is not terribly difficult to show. |
The issue seems to be the value of the claim. The string of tweets in the OP seems to suggest it’s a large claim (beyond what could be raised by selling players, and a good chunk of the value of the club). I’d have thought the only loss that can be proven is the revenue from the PO semi final. Anything else is purely speculative.
In fairness to ‘Boro, they’ve said they’re happy to talk to the administrator and are open to a compromise to avoid Derby being wound up. It sounds like the administrator isn’t engaging too well with them though. |  |
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