| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 09:59 - Jan 21 with 731 views | chrismakin |
| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 09:52 - Jan 21 by tractorboy1978 |
You really are clutching at straws if you are saying he has less oversight here than he did at Bristol City.
I'm also bemused at this idea that a CEO having a significant amount of control day to day is bad. Of course they do - that's their bloody job and why the shareholders of any business pay them big bucks. If they fail, they end up leaving. Ashton's job may be more secure than most but he's certainly accountable and in my experience American businessmen can be more ruthless than most. [Post edited 21 Jan 2022 9:53]
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I don't think he has less oversight. I said the opposite and asked unstable if o leary did handover majority of control to Ashton giving him more control than he had at Bristol. |  |
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| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 10:09 - Jan 21 with 708 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 17:47 - Jan 20 by Churchman |
I read some of them. He gets mixed reviews and the comparison with JET is an interesting one.
The bloke has half a season to show what he can do. If he’s a negative waste of space, he can go back to face his greatest admirer Pearson at the end of the season. If not, who knows. It’s up to him. |
This. We've got a try before you buy here.
If he's useless, he won't be here in 4 months time. If he's good, we already have an option of a deal in place by the sound of it to make it permanent. |  | | |
| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 10:14 - Jan 21 with 696 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 09:21 - Jan 21 by unstableblue |
I still think there is a big difference, even if Ashton does step back a little from what I believe is a day a week at PR (is that correct Phil?) and being at every game. Is that we have a governance and leadership structure above Ashton, and so he can never 'do what he wants' on big ticket items.
And I think Bakay for example also has football ops/mgmt experience and pedigree.
Those people are governing and providing due diligence on Ashton's club decisions.
Whereas at Bristol City as I understand it Ashton had Lansdown, his son, and ex financier and a CFO - which smacks of Marcus Evans type oversight, i.e. non football pedigree.
Hope I'm right.
But as I've always said, no smoke without fire, and we should as fans still consider that there is some risk with Ashton. Hopefully mitigated by his lessons learntat Watford, Bristol City and the mitigations above of a COMPLETELY different organisation.
As always we just need a win Saturday, dismiss the niggling concerns that the issues is squad 'personality' and go on a play-off run, or AT LEAST a run of decent form. |
Ashton is the CEO isn't he?
Not a Director of Football or a Director of Recruitment. We have those.
I don't get the issue with Ashton. Of course he will have a view, but he isn't the one scouting players. He has the ultimate decision if we buy them based on whether we can afford them, fit to strategy and he gets the deals over the line (or not) etc but that's about it.
He isn't interfering in day to day football. If he was, McKenna wouldn't be here.
I might be wrong, but the impression given on here sometimes is he things he's playing a real-life FM2022. Which he clearly isn't. [Post edited 21 Jan 2022 10:16]
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| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 10:21 - Jan 21 with 684 views | chrismakin |
| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 10:14 - Jan 21 by ElderGrizzly |
Ashton is the CEO isn't he?
Not a Director of Football or a Director of Recruitment. We have those.
I don't get the issue with Ashton. Of course he will have a view, but he isn't the one scouting players. He has the ultimate decision if we buy them based on whether we can afford them, fit to strategy and he gets the deals over the line (or not) etc but that's about it.
He isn't interfering in day to day football. If he was, McKenna wouldn't be here.
I might be wrong, but the impression given on here sometimes is he things he's playing a real-life FM2022. Which he clearly isn't. [Post edited 21 Jan 2022 10:16]
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I think what hasn't Ashton and the talk of recruitment control is that his cousin ( or brother in law) is involved and followed him here and there's some form of financial link between the set ups..agents etc. Don't know the ins and outs but it's something discussed in all previous clubs.
I do find tho that this KM wouldn't be here if ... Happened.
That was said alot about PC and he stayed and when he left we then heard of things he wasn't happy about. We don't know what KM expects and nor do we know what Does go on.. however its not implausible for someone to be told one thing and other things to happen. | |
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| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 10:25 - Jan 21 with 673 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 10:21 - Jan 21 by chrismakin |
I think what hasn't Ashton and the talk of recruitment control is that his cousin ( or brother in law) is involved and followed him here and there's some form of financial link between the set ups..agents etc. Don't know the ins and outs but it's something discussed in all previous clubs.
I do find tho that this KM wouldn't be here if ... Happened.
That was said alot about PC and he stayed and when he left we then heard of things he wasn't happy about. We don't know what KM expects and nor do we know what Does go on.. however its not implausible for someone to be told one thing and other things to happen. |
I think it's a fair assumption that McKenna wouldn't have left Man Utd for his first managerial role if a David Brent tribute act was going to dictate who was scouted, who he could buy, who he could play etc.
That's just common sense. Which I know is a struggle for many | | | |
| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 10:31 - Jan 21 with 665 views | chrismakin |
| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 10:25 - Jan 21 by ElderGrizzly |
I think it's a fair assumption that McKenna wouldn't have left Man Utd for his first managerial role if a David Brent tribute act was going to dictate who was scouted, who he could buy, who he could play etc.
That's just common sense. Which I know is a struggle for many |
I don't think it's as far as dictating no. But I do think KM has more of a head coach role and would point out areas he wants to improve the rest is left to Ashton. I appreciate what is said about his title etc but just personal opinion, I don't see him doing the old fashioned manager position. | |
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| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 10:36 - Jan 21 with 652 views | wkj |
| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 10:31 - Jan 21 by chrismakin |
I don't think it's as far as dictating no. But I do think KM has more of a head coach role and would point out areas he wants to improve the rest is left to Ashton. I appreciate what is said about his title etc but just personal opinion, I don't see him doing the old fashioned manager position. |
Might not be worth thinking of KM as a head coach (hot take), as it's been stated many times that he's here as a manager (actual facts). His comments about Bakinson also suggest he was very much part of him being signed. |  |
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| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 10:40 - Jan 21 with 626 views | Churchman |
| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 10:25 - Jan 21 by ElderGrizzly |
I think it's a fair assumption that McKenna wouldn't have left Man Utd for his first managerial role if a David Brent tribute act was going to dictate who was scouted, who he could buy, who he could play etc.
That's just common sense. Which I know is a struggle for many |
Common sense? What the hell’s that?
I cannot imagine having heard KM, what i’ve seen of him and what others have said of him that he’d waft in here just to be Action Man Beard’s stooge. I would hope (and suspect) that a clear understanding of who does what was agreed before KM signed up to the job. That would surely include player recruitment.
Anything less would be foolish and KM strikes me as anything but a fool. |  | | |
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| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 11:42 - Jan 21 with 574 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 09:59 - Jan 21 by chrismakin |
I don't think he has less oversight. I said the opposite and asked unstable if o leary did handover majority of control to Ashton giving him more control than he had at Bristol. |
He has far more oversight from the powers that be here than he ever did at Bristol City. |  | | |
| Brizzle Fans views on Bakinson on 23:19 - Jan 21 with 448 views | TheBoyBlue |
Slightly worried about what I've heard about his attitude, but happy to wait and see what McKenna can do with him. | |
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