| Johnson approval rating on 12:54 - Jan 21 with 1610 views | wkj |
Yet oddly, these type of polls rarely translate to the next election if dealing with an incumbent. It didn't for Kinnock and Milliband |  |
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| Johnson approval rating on 13:01 - Jan 21 with 1561 views | Plums |
| Johnson approval rating on 12:54 - Jan 21 by wkj |
Yet oddly, these type of polls rarely translate to the next election if dealing with an incumbent. It didn't for Kinnock and Milliband |
Kinnock and Miliband were undone by the same press barons who put Boris in Number 10. |  |
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| Johnson approval rating on 13:02 - Jan 21 with 1552 views | Steve_M |
| Johnson approval rating on 12:54 - Jan 21 by wkj |
Yet oddly, these type of polls rarely translate to the next election if dealing with an incumbent. It didn't for Kinnock and Milliband |
Largely because Johnson won't make it to an election in this case, indeed I'm not sure he'll make it to next month. |  |
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| Johnson approval rating on 13:02 - Jan 21 with 1553 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Johnson approval rating on 12:54 - Jan 21 by wkj |
Yet oddly, these type of polls rarely translate to the next election if dealing with an incumbent. It didn't for Kinnock and Milliband |
I must have missed the premiership of both Kinnock and Milliband. |  |
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| Johnson approval rating on 13:02 - Jan 21 with 1546 views | wkj |
| Johnson approval rating on 13:01 - Jan 21 by Plums |
Kinnock and Miliband were undone by the same press barons who put Boris in Number 10. |
Let's hope there are press barons on the other side who can put Boris in Cellblock 10 | |
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| Johnson approval rating on 13:04 - Jan 21 with 1539 views | wkj |
| Johnson approval rating on 13:02 - Jan 21 by You_Bloo_Right |
I must have missed the premiership of both Kinnock and Milliband. |
It might be worded poorly, but Kinnock and Milliband started polling above Thatcher and Cameron respectively. So, it didn't help them in the following elections is what I was poking at. | |
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| Johnson approval rating on 13:06 - Jan 21 with 1537 views | Herbivore |
I'm amazed that between 1 in 5 and 1 in 3 still approve of him. Absolute psychopaths, they need removing from society. |  |
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| Johnson approval rating on 13:07 - Jan 21 with 1514 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Johnson approval rating on 12:54 - Jan 21 by wkj |
Yet oddly, these type of polls rarely translate to the next election if dealing with an incumbent. It didn't for Kinnock and Milliband |
Not really true re Milliband, whilst Cameron’s rating wasn’t always favourable Milliband consistently polled lower across 2010-2015. There was certainly nothing like the kind of figures Johnson is now seeing
Can’t really comment on 1992 as leader approval rating data doesn’t appear to be available in the same way as for recent elections. What you state would certainly figure there though given the leads Labour generally held during that period - but worth also noting that 1992 was a particularly weird election for a number of reasons and therefore something of an outlier! |  |
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| Johnson approval rating on 13:08 - Jan 21 with 1516 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Johnson approval rating on 13:04 - Jan 21 by wkj |
It might be worded poorly, but Kinnock and Milliband started polling above Thatcher and Cameron respectively. So, it didn't help them in the following elections is what I was poking at. |
OK got it ta. | |
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| Johnson approval rating on 13:09 - Jan 21 with 1492 views | tractordownsouth |
| Johnson approval rating on 12:54 - Jan 21 by wkj |
Yet oddly, these type of polls rarely translate to the next election if dealing with an incumbent. It didn't for Kinnock and Milliband |
During his time as leader the Labour Party was ahead in the polls but Miliband was never ahead of Cameron in the Best PM polling. |  |
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| Johnson approval rating on 13:14 - Jan 21 with 1434 views | WD19 |
| Johnson approval rating on 13:06 - Jan 21 by Herbivore |
I'm amazed that between 1 in 5 and 1 in 3 still approve of him. Absolute psychopaths, they need removing from society. |
Koonters won't like that!
....oh, sorry, you meant the sliver that still approve of Boris...... |  | | |
| Johnson approval rating on 13:17 - Jan 21 with 1401 views | Darth_Koont |
| Johnson approval rating on 13:14 - Jan 21 by WD19 |
Koonters won't like that!
....oh, sorry, you meant the sliver that still approve of Boris...... |
Hah!
Only difference was that it took 4 years of lying about Corbyn to put him there. And in Johnson’s case, 1 week of telling the truth. |  |
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| Johnson approval rating on 13:20 - Jan 21 with 1362 views | footers |
| Johnson approval rating on 13:06 - Jan 21 by Herbivore |
I'm amazed that between 1 in 5 and 1 in 3 still approve of him. Absolute psychopaths, they need removing from society. |
I'm more concerned about the 20% who said 'neither' n one of the polls! [Post edited 21 Jan 2022 13:27]
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| Johnson approval rating on 13:22 - Jan 21 with 1338 views | wkj |
| Johnson approval rating on 13:09 - Jan 21 by tractordownsouth |
During his time as leader the Labour Party was ahead in the polls but Miliband was never ahead of Cameron in the Best PM polling. |
I swear in 2015 there was a bit of hubub about Milliband polling higher than Cameron> Maybe that was before his bacon sandwich eating caused the usual suspects to convulse. [Post edited 21 Jan 2022 13:25]
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| Johnson approval rating on 13:45 - Jan 21 with 1204 views | gordon |
| Johnson approval rating on 12:54 - Jan 21 by wkj |
Yet oddly, these type of polls rarely translate to the next election if dealing with an incumbent. It didn't for Kinnock and Milliband |
The worst Cameron's approval ratings ever got to was about -30, Milliband's approval ratings were as low as the -40s in the months before the 2015 election. Not really comparable to the current situation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leadership_approval_opinion_polling_for_the_2015_U |  | | |
| Johnson approval rating on 13:52 - Jan 21 with 1170 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Johnson approval rating on 13:04 - Jan 21 by wkj |
It might be worded poorly, but Kinnock and Milliband started polling above Thatcher and Cameron respectively. So, it didn't help them in the following elections is what I was poking at. |
I stand to be corrected but I don’t believe Kinnock ever polled ahead of Thatcher. She won a landlside against him in 87.
Kinnock did lead Major in 92. He would have won but for acting like a dick at a convention the night before the election and the misleading election broadcast featuring “Jenifer’s ear”. [Post edited 21 Jan 2022 14:08]
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| Johnson approval rating on 14:04 - Jan 21 with 1112 views | tractordownsouth |
| Johnson approval rating on 13:52 - Jan 21 by GlasgowBlue |
I stand to be corrected but I don’t believe Kinnock ever polled ahead of Thatcher. She won a landlside against him in 87.
Kinnock did lead Major in 92. He would have won but for acting like a dick at a convention the night before the election and the misleading election broadcast featuring “Jenifer’s ear”. [Post edited 21 Jan 2022 14:08]
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Read somewhere that the only 2 candidates to lose despite being rated as a better PM than their opponent since that polling measure began in the late 1970s are Kinnock in 92 and Michael Howard in 05. | |
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| Johnson approval rating on 14:08 - Jan 21 with 1085 views | unbelievablue |
| Johnson approval rating on 14:04 - Jan 21 by tractordownsouth |
Read somewhere that the only 2 candidates to lose despite being rated as a better PM than their opponent since that polling measure began in the late 1970s are Kinnock in 92 and Michael Howard in 05. |
Did he threaten to overrule him? |  |
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| Johnson approval rating on 14:13 - Jan 21 with 1054 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Johnson approval rating on 14:04 - Jan 21 by tractordownsouth |
Read somewhere that the only 2 candidates to lose despite being rated as a better PM than their opponent since that polling measure began in the late 1970s are Kinnock in 92 and Michael Howard in 05. |
Scotland saved Labour in 2005. Which is contrary to DK’s claim that Blair lost Scotland.
Without the Scottish Labour vote in 2005 we’d have had Michael Howard as PM. | |
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| Johnson approval rating on 14:21 - Jan 21 with 1005 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Johnson approval rating on 13:52 - Jan 21 by GlasgowBlue |
I stand to be corrected but I don’t believe Kinnock ever polled ahead of Thatcher. She won a landlside against him in 87.
Kinnock did lead Major in 92. He would have won but for acting like a dick at a convention the night before the election and the misleading election broadcast featuring “Jenifer’s ear”. [Post edited 21 Jan 2022 14:08]
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That 92 election was a mind blower.
Kinnock couldn't have messed it up better if he tried
What was the saying he kept yelling at that conference thing? "Are you ready", " Are we good", "Oh yeah" -???? |  |
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| Johnson approval rating on 14:25 - Jan 21 with 975 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Johnson approval rating on 14:13 - Jan 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Scotland saved Labour in 2005. Which is contrary to DK’s claim that Blair lost Scotland.
Without the Scottish Labour vote in 2005 we’d have had Michael Howard as PM. |
The Scottish vote under New Labour held up fine under New Labour - across their spell in power they polled 900k-1.2m and between 39-45% of the share throughout. Looking solely at the start and the end overall votes dropped by 100k when comparing 1992 and 2010 but the share was actually increased by 3%
It was only post-Brown that the vote crashed, firstly under Milliband and then another 6 points in 2019 under Corbyn
I’ve pointed this out to DK before but for some reason he still insists on peddling the myth (lie) that New Labour lost the Scottish vote | |
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| Johnson approval rating on 14:26 - Jan 21 with 965 views | tractordownsouth |
| Johnson approval rating on 14:13 - Jan 21 by GlasgowBlue |
Scotland saved Labour in 2005. Which is contrary to DK’s claim that Blair lost Scotland.
Without the Scottish Labour vote in 2005 we’d have had Michael Howard as PM. |
Not sure that's right on the numbers. Even had the Tories won every seat in Scotland they'd have had 256 MPs, compared to 314 for Labour. I doubt Charles Kennedy would've backed the Tories in parliament - surely the most likely outcome would've been a Lab-Lib coalition or confidence and supply with the price being Blair's resignation and Brown installed as PM? | |
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| Johnson approval rating on 14:30 - Jan 21 with 940 views | HARRY10 |
I don't think anyone is claiming that polls taken in the last few days are any indication of voting intentions at the next General Election.
What they do show is how deeply unpopular Johnson is. And that unpopularity is not a blip, but is something that has been growing steadily since early October.
Where it will be tested is once Johnson has been replaced. Will the Tories slowly climb back, or will Labour continue to maintain a lead, albeit not so overwhelmingly as now ? |  | | |
| Johnson approval rating on 14:30 - Jan 21 with 941 views | tractordownsouth |
| Johnson approval rating on 14:25 - Jan 21 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
The Scottish vote under New Labour held up fine under New Labour - across their spell in power they polled 900k-1.2m and between 39-45% of the share throughout. Looking solely at the start and the end overall votes dropped by 100k when comparing 1992 and 2010 but the share was actually increased by 3%
It was only post-Brown that the vote crashed, firstly under Milliband and then another 6 points in 2019 under Corbyn
I’ve pointed this out to DK before but for some reason he still insists on peddling the myth (lie) that New Labour lost the Scottish vote |
Yeah Brown held it together well in 2010, considering the Labour vote went up in Scotland despite losing almost 100 seats across the UK.
2015 was an absolute sh1tshow of course but Scottish Labour is even further behind now. In many of those 2015 SNP gains Labour aren't even in 2nd place. [Post edited 21 Jan 2022 14:31]
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| Johnson approval rating on 14:36 - Jan 21 with 900 views | tractordownsouth |
| Johnson approval rating on 14:30 - Jan 21 by HARRY10 |
I don't think anyone is claiming that polls taken in the last few days are any indication of voting intentions at the next General Election.
What they do show is how deeply unpopular Johnson is. And that unpopularity is not a blip, but is something that has been growing steadily since early October.
Where it will be tested is once Johnson has been replaced. Will the Tories slowly climb back, or will Labour continue to maintain a lead, albeit not so overwhelmingly as now ? |
Yeah, despite the polls there isn't going to a Labour landslide at the next election. It was more to illustrate how far Johnson has sunk and that if the Tories have any sense they'll get rid of him ASAP. | |
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