| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage 00:20 - Feb 4 with 2610 views | Darth_Koont |
Johnson is an awful PM and a renowned liar. His smear against Starmer is out of order.
But why discover these standards of acceptable political behaviour now? Or is it, in fact, just the same opportunism and lack of integrity we complain about with Boris?
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 08:40 - Feb 4 with 1892 views | monytowbray |
Agendas, mostly. |  |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 08:57 - Feb 4 with 1865 views | Guthrum |
Like it or not, Corbyn came with a lot of history which was very useful for those trying to spin him into someone dodgy (open association with the PLO and IRA, for a start). All it took was a bit of exaggeration - or pointing out things which were behind him in photographs. Twisting rather than outright fabrication.
Starmer doesn't have that, so Johnson had to come out with something so outlandish and distasteful it was too obvious for people to just swallow. Doubly so as, to the public, the PM himself currently looks far more dubious than his opponent. |  |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 09:28 - Feb 4 with 1801 views | BlueNomad |
When Johnson came out with that slur there should have been stunned silence from the benches behind and beside him. Instead they all cheered. Watch it and see R-M laughing and pointing. It’s so sad the country has come to this. |  | | |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 09:35 - Feb 4 with 1784 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 08:57 - Feb 4 by Guthrum |
Like it or not, Corbyn came with a lot of history which was very useful for those trying to spin him into someone dodgy (open association with the PLO and IRA, for a start). All it took was a bit of exaggeration - or pointing out things which were behind him in photographs. Twisting rather than outright fabrication.
Starmer doesn't have that, so Johnson had to come out with something so outlandish and distasteful it was too obvious for people to just swallow. Doubly so as, to the public, the PM himself currently looks far more dubious than his opponent. |
I think the nature of the smear itself is another thing too. Call someone a liar, incompetent or even a terrorist sympathiser is another scale to saying they covered for a paedophile.
I guess it is why I actually found the Times cartoon of Johnson yesterday went too far. |  |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 09:35 - Feb 4 with 1779 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 09:28 - Feb 4 by BlueNomad |
When Johnson came out with that slur there should have been stunned silence from the benches behind and beside him. Instead they all cheered. Watch it and see R-M laughing and pointing. It’s so sad the country has come to this. |
Absolutely.
It is about time that the electorate realise this is not Johnson but it is the Conservative Party. | |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 09:41 - Feb 4 with 1754 views | Ewan_Oozami |
Aaron Bastani has been recycling this article for years I reckon.... |  |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 09:53 - Feb 4 with 1732 views | Darth_Koont |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 08:57 - Feb 4 by Guthrum |
Like it or not, Corbyn came with a lot of history which was very useful for those trying to spin him into someone dodgy (open association with the PLO and IRA, for a start). All it took was a bit of exaggeration - or pointing out things which were behind him in photographs. Twisting rather than outright fabrication.
Starmer doesn't have that, so Johnson had to come out with something so outlandish and distasteful it was too obvious for people to just swallow. Doubly so as, to the public, the PM himself currently looks far more dubious than his opponent. |
How is it more outlandish and distasteful than being smeared as a Czech spy, an antisemite or an actual supporter of terrorism?
It’s not like the Starmer-Savile smear is suddenly beyond the pale compared to that. If it is, then we’re talking selectively applied standards.
It’s never OK to be disingenuous and smear people to discredit and damage them. This isn’t PsyOps, it’s meant to be a 21st century democracy. | |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 09:56 - Feb 4 with 1716 views | Darth_Koont |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 09:41 - Feb 4 by Ewan_Oozami |
Aaron Bastani has been recycling this article for years I reckon.... |
Some of it certainly.
It’s speaking truth to the powerful in our politics and political media who have been so useless that Johnson was the result.
The double standards and hypocrisy now are nauseating. | |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 10:04 - Feb 4 with 1685 views | Guthrum |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 09:53 - Feb 4 by Darth_Koont |
How is it more outlandish and distasteful than being smeared as a Czech spy, an antisemite or an actual supporter of terrorism?
It’s not like the Starmer-Savile smear is suddenly beyond the pale compared to that. If it is, then we’re talking selectively applied standards.
It’s never OK to be disingenuous and smear people to discredit and damage them. This isn’t PsyOps, it’s meant to be a 21st century democracy. |
Politics has always been like that. The slanders and calumnies are mild compared with the 18th century. Accusations of outright treason (a capital offence) were common. Even in the mid-to-late 20th century, there were frequent suggestions of Labour politicians being communist agents.
I meant that he picked a topic of particular sensitivity, namely pedophilia. That nowadays provokes a level of disgust beyond those other things. | |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 10:28 - Feb 4 with 1635 views | Darth_Koont |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 10:04 - Feb 4 by Guthrum |
Politics has always been like that. The slanders and calumnies are mild compared with the 18th century. Accusations of outright treason (a capital offence) were common. Even in the mid-to-late 20th century, there were frequent suggestions of Labour politicians being communist agents.
I meant that he picked a topic of particular sensitivity, namely pedophilia. That nowadays provokes a level of disgust beyond those other things. |
I get that. The insinuation that Starmer or even the DPP as a whole are/were soft on paedophilia is disgraceful.
But after the past 5+ years when the political currency has been lies and smears, repeated and embellished, I find it a double standard to explain that away as somehow normal and acceptable.
On another thread, we’re talking about why millions of poor children are being criminally disadvantaged. Well, we’ve not really been having that conversation because of the above smeary deflection and party political games. | |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 11:13 - Feb 4 with 1550 views | GlasgowBlue |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 09:53 - Feb 4 by Darth_Koont |
How is it more outlandish and distasteful than being smeared as a Czech spy, an antisemite or an actual supporter of terrorism?
It’s not like the Starmer-Savile smear is suddenly beyond the pale compared to that. If it is, then we’re talking selectively applied standards.
It’s never OK to be disingenuous and smear people to discredit and damage them. This isn’t PsyOps, it’s meant to be a 21st century democracy. |
It may seem odd to you but I am of the belief that if you don't wanted to labeled as somebody who associates with antisemites, is a friend to Holocaust deniers or as a terrorist sympathiser, then don't associate with antisemites, befriend Holocaust deniers or sympathise with terrorists. Just a thought. |  |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 12:37 - Feb 4 with 1488 views | Darth_Koont |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 11:13 - Feb 4 by GlasgowBlue |
It may seem odd to you but I am of the belief that if you don't wanted to labeled as somebody who associates with antisemites, is a friend to Holocaust deniers or as a terrorist sympathiser, then don't associate with antisemites, befriend Holocaust deniers or sympathise with terrorists. Just a thought. |
If you’re an anti-racist campaigner, activist for social justice and a proponent of democratic socialism then you’re not exactly chumming around with establishment-approved people and organisations.
That’s why not being smeary and disingenuous is pretty important if you have any semblance of integrity or support democracy over party political games.
And by the way, your appalling record of lies, smears and disingenuousness doesn’t really help qualify your opinion on any of this. | |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 12:56 - Feb 4 with 1416 views | BlueNomad |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 11:13 - Feb 4 by GlasgowBlue |
It may seem odd to you but I am of the belief that if you don't wanted to labeled as somebody who associates with antisemites, is a friend to Holocaust deniers or as a terrorist sympathiser, then don't associate with antisemites, befriend Holocaust deniers or sympathise with terrorists. Just a thought. |
The benches cheering on the Buffoon In Chief are guilty of associating with someone who has made anti-Islam statements, celebrating a known N-zi sympathiser (Astor), accepted donations from individuals connected with autocrats and sanctioned arms sales to the head chopping, stoning, misogynistic, child bombing tyrants in a major oil state.
All very pleasant. | | | |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 13:18 - Feb 4 with 1349 views | FightingEssex |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 09:35 - Feb 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Absolutely.
It is about time that the electorate realise this is not Johnson but it is the Conservative Party. |
And the Labour Party, and the Liberal Democrat’s…
To pretend one steamy pile of dung is better than the next is exactly the issue with this country. Anyone who votes for those three and expects different results is either overly optimistic or stupid. |  |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 14:21 - Feb 4 with 1231 views | MattinLondon |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 13:18 - Feb 4 by FightingEssex |
And the Labour Party, and the Liberal Democrat’s…
To pretend one steamy pile of dung is better than the next is exactly the issue with this country. Anyone who votes for those three and expects different results is either overly optimistic or stupid. |
Ridiculous comment. |  | | |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 14:51 - Feb 4 with 1192 views | GlasgowBlue |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 12:56 - Feb 4 by BlueNomad |
The benches cheering on the Buffoon In Chief are guilty of associating with someone who has made anti-Islam statements, celebrating a known N-zi sympathiser (Astor), accepted donations from individuals connected with autocrats and sanctioned arms sales to the head chopping, stoning, misogynistic, child bombing tyrants in a major oil state.
All very pleasant. |
Yes I completely agree with you. and you won't see me defending any of what you have highlighted n your post.
But a point of order. As I understand it, in these parts they call defending one vile scrote by attacking another vile scrote is called whataboutery. [Post edited 4 Feb 2022 14:52]
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 15:17 - Feb 4 with 1156 views | Ryorry |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 10:04 - Feb 4 by Guthrum |
Politics has always been like that. The slanders and calumnies are mild compared with the 18th century. Accusations of outright treason (a capital offence) were common. Even in the mid-to-late 20th century, there were frequent suggestions of Labour politicians being communist agents.
I meant that he picked a topic of particular sensitivity, namely pedophilia. That nowadays provokes a level of disgust beyond those other things. |
And going back more than 12 years to drag it up wasn't just plumbing the depths, it also showed up just how desperate Johnson was/is - another reason for it backfiring on him spectacularly - particularly after it became known that he'd been advised against using it by his own people. |  |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 15:21 - Feb 4 with 1146 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 14:21 - Feb 4 by MattinLondon |
Ridiculous comment. |
Just a rehashed "but Corbyn".
The Selfservatives love the large amount of the electorate that think there is no difference between who is in power and so either don't bother or (better still in their view) blindly vote for them because they will keep their taxes low. | |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 15:44 - Feb 4 with 1107 views | jaykay |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 08:57 - Feb 4 by Guthrum |
Like it or not, Corbyn came with a lot of history which was very useful for those trying to spin him into someone dodgy (open association with the PLO and IRA, for a start). All it took was a bit of exaggeration - or pointing out things which were behind him in photographs. Twisting rather than outright fabrication.
Starmer doesn't have that, so Johnson had to come out with something so outlandish and distasteful it was too obvious for people to just swallow. Doubly so as, to the public, the PM himself currently looks far more dubious than his opponent. |
but they did this to michael foot. photos of him in a donkey jacket his views on nuclear bombs etc. i know this doesn't look bad now, but it shows the depths the tories and media have sunk to.
your first paragraph sums up what went on every day on social media and the press in the last election. |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 17:44 - Feb 4 with 1037 views | lowhouseblue |
not sure you've ever mastered the difference between a lie and something you disagree with.
boris on starmer = a lie. everyone else on corbyn = stuff you don't want to hear. |  |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 18:30 - Feb 4 with 983 views | Darth_Koont |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 17:44 - Feb 4 by lowhouseblue |
not sure you've ever mastered the difference between a lie and something you disagree with.
boris on starmer = a lie. everyone else on corbyn = stuff you don't want to hear. |
Not sure you understand that accusations aren’t evidence themselves. And your little political bubble isn’t objective reality either.
There’s no lie about Starmer. The DPP of which he was head failed to prosecute. Is it remotely fair and honest – no, it’s a steaming pile of politicised sh/t.
You’re one of the baddies. You’ve made exactly the same level of dishonest and disingenuous accusation against Corbyn.
What do you lot call lying? “Clever politics”? | |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 18:37 - Feb 4 with 960 views | GlasgowBlue |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 18:30 - Feb 4 by Darth_Koont |
Not sure you understand that accusations aren’t evidence themselves. And your little political bubble isn’t objective reality either.
There’s no lie about Starmer. The DPP of which he was head failed to prosecute. Is it remotely fair and honest – no, it’s a steaming pile of politicised sh/t.
You’re one of the baddies. You’ve made exactly the same level of dishonest and disingenuous accusation against Corbyn.
What do you lot call lying? “Clever politics”? |
Do we really need Groundhog Day on a Friday night? Have some time off and chill ffs. | |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 18:45 - Feb 4 with 935 views | Darth_Koont |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 18:37 - Feb 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Do we really need Groundhog Day on a Friday night? Have some time off and chill ffs. |
Gmpf.
I was responding.
If your hypocrisy will allow it, maybe have a word with lowers? Or yourself? | |
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| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 23:09 - Feb 4 with 778 views | mylittletown |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 13:18 - Feb 4 by FightingEssex |
And the Labour Party, and the Liberal Democrat’s…
To pretend one steamy pile of dung is better than the next is exactly the issue with this country. Anyone who votes for those three and expects different results is either overly optimistic or stupid. |
Idiot |  | | |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 11:52 - Feb 5 with 595 views | Ryorry |
| This is a pretty decent skewering of UK politics and its coverage on 12:37 - Feb 4 by Darth_Koont |
If you’re an anti-racist campaigner, activist for social justice and a proponent of democratic socialism then you’re not exactly chumming around with establishment-approved people and organisations.
That’s why not being smeary and disingenuous is pretty important if you have any semblance of integrity or support democracy over party political games.
And by the way, your appalling record of lies, smears and disingenuousness doesn’t really help qualify your opinion on any of this. |
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