| Here's a modern dilemma 15:45 - Feb 21 with 3137 views | ZXBlue |
On my local village FB group today someone posted "Anyone had a black guy in a high vis jacket knock on their door today?"
Now, there have been some burglaries and dodgy callers recently so I understand immediately why information is being shared about an unusual caller. I equally understand the discomfort that many immediately feel on reading a description like that.
The reply was "Just a man in high vis would have done." To which the OP replied "I was being descriptive. If it was a white guy I would haev said white" and has now had 3 uppies.
I don't believe for a second that she would have said "white". Equally though, it is a useful descriptive, as I am aware of only one black family in the village and not being a white person in this particular village is therefore a very obvious descriptor.
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 16:03 - Feb 21 with 2051 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Why don't you believe for a second that she would have said "white"? I'd have thought any description of the man would be useful, including skin colour. |  |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 16:04 - Feb 21 with 2046 views | ZXBlue |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 16:03 - Feb 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why don't you believe for a second that she would have said "white"? I'd have thought any description of the man would be useful, including skin colour. |
Seriously?
I simply don't believe her. In a rural village, "white" really adds nothing to the description. It is everyone's natural and normal assumption. [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 16:05]
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 16:04 - Feb 21 with 2050 views | itfcjoe |
I do think sometimes things go too far when what is a fairly obvious way too describe someone is seen as maybe not right.
I was overhearing a conversation in a pub once as someone tried to describe the only black guy in a group to someone as having a red jumper, despite 2 others having so, and it just being really confusing.
It's not like describing someone as gay, which is not obvious when looking at them, it is using their most obvious visual description to describe them. |  |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 16:05 - Feb 21 with 2035 views | clive_baker |
Maybe you need to wait for her to be critical of Toto Nsiala, that would truly out her as a racist. |  |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 16:10 - Feb 21 with 2010 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 16:04 - Feb 21 by ZXBlue |
Seriously?
I simply don't believe her. In a rural village, "white" really adds nothing to the description. It is everyone's natural and normal assumption. [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 16:05]
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Well I don't know the woman so I have no idea what descriptor she'd use.
But if he happens to be black, and there are very few black people in the village, then it makes absolute sense to mention it. | |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 16:37 - Feb 21 with 1917 views | NthQldITFC |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 16:04 - Feb 21 by itfcjoe |
I do think sometimes things go too far when what is a fairly obvious way too describe someone is seen as maybe not right.
I was overhearing a conversation in a pub once as someone tried to describe the only black guy in a group to someone as having a red jumper, despite 2 others having so, and it just being really confusing.
It's not like describing someone as gay, which is not obvious when looking at them, it is using their most obvious visual description to describe them. |
It's a tricky one, but I would agree. I suppose when the colour is the only descriptor it can come across badly even when the describer is as unprejudiced as can be.
If the description was a white guy in a blue hoodie with a beanie hat, or a black bloke in a windcheater and plus fours is it any better? Logically the least useful parts of the those descriptions are the colours (skin or clothes) anyway, as they are not as specific as the clothes type descriptions. |  |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 16:54 - Feb 21 with 1870 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 16:37 - Feb 21 by NthQldITFC |
It's a tricky one, but I would agree. I suppose when the colour is the only descriptor it can come across badly even when the describer is as unprejudiced as can be.
If the description was a white guy in a blue hoodie with a beanie hat, or a black bloke in a windcheater and plus fours is it any better? Logically the least useful parts of the those descriptions are the colours (skin or clothes) anyway, as they are not as specific as the clothes type descriptions. |
I disagree. Nothing about the clothes is particularly useful, because people can change clothes. The skin colour is surely useful, particularly in a village where there are mostly white people. And I imagine the police would want to know the skin colour. It seems odd to not mention it. | |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 16:56 - Feb 21 with 1858 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 16:03 - Feb 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why don't you believe for a second that she would have said "white"? I'd have thought any description of the man would be useful, including skin colour. |
Of course, not sure why anyone would disagree.
Black, white, Asian, Tattooed, Ginger etc etc |  |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 16:57 - Feb 21 with 1847 views | WD19 |
Did she also say that he walked up the drive in a really lazy and disinterested manner!? |  | | |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 17:01 - Feb 21 with 1808 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 16:03 - Feb 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why don't you believe for a second that she would have said "white"? I'd have thought any description of the man would be useful, including skin colour. |
Very simple, just look through all her previous posts where she's been describing people and see if she uses "white" as part of the description - I suspect (though I could of course be wrong..) you wouldn't find any examples... |  |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 17:08 - Feb 21 with 1770 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 17:01 - Feb 21 by Ewan_Oozami |
Very simple, just look through all her previous posts where she's been describing people and see if she uses "white" as part of the description - I suspect (though I could of course be wrong..) you wouldn't find any examples... |
Depends if she's previously described a crime or not. | |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 17:56 - Feb 21 with 1661 views | Pinewoodblue |
The last paragraph of the original post says a lot about the poster.
Clearly looking for problems that probably only exist in his head. |  |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 18:29 - Feb 21 with 1588 views | J2BLUE |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 16:04 - Feb 21 by ZXBlue |
Seriously?
I simply don't believe her. In a rural village, "white" really adds nothing to the description. It is everyone's natural and normal assumption. [Post edited 21 Feb 2022 16:05]
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Yes. Amazed you need this pointed out.
Any description is good.
Looking for offence around every corner does way more harm than good. |  |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 18:31 - Feb 21 with 1568 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 17:08 - Feb 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Depends if she's previously described a crime or not. |
This wasn't a crime.... | |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 18:31 - Feb 21 with 1566 views | GeoffSentence |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 17:08 - Feb 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Depends if she's previously described a crime or not. |
So far as we know she still hasn't. Unless knocking on a door as a highly visible black man is a crime these days. |  |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 18:34 - Feb 21 with 1538 views | ZXBlue |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 17:56 - Feb 21 by Pinewoodblue |
The last paragraph of the original post says a lot about the poster.
Clearly looking for problems that probably only exist in his head. |
Do explain. | | | |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 18:37 - Feb 21 with 1516 views | noggin |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 16:03 - Feb 21 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Why don't you believe for a second that she would have said "white"? I'd have thought any description of the man would be useful, including skin colour. |
I wonder if she would have mentioned skin colour had the discussion been about a, not so worrying event. "Did anyone see the black guy picking up litter around the village?" |  |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 18:41 - Feb 21 with 1485 views | J2BLUE |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 18:37 - Feb 21 by noggin |
I wonder if she would have mentioned skin colour had the discussion been about a, not so worrying event. "Did anyone see the black guy picking up litter around the village?" |
She probably wouldn't have bothered posting about someone picking up litter.
"Did anyone see the black guy who helped Doris after she fell over?"
More newsworthy in a village and wouldn't look out of place. | |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 18:56 - Feb 21 with 1429 views | jeera |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 18:41 - Feb 21 by J2BLUE |
She probably wouldn't have bothered posting about someone picking up litter.
"Did anyone see the black guy who helped Doris after she fell over?"
More newsworthy in a village and wouldn't look out of place. |
I'm a bit torn on this.
Why has the FB bird* made the connection in the first place?
As in, there's been burglaries and who is this black man knocking on doors?
I suppose without knowing the details it's pointless guessing too much.
I hope Doris is doing well though.
*deliberately provocative for effect. |  |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 19:01 - Feb 21 with 1393 views | mattyhollandsirish |
Do you ever post or comment about anything other than something race related? | | | |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 19:01 - Feb 21 with 1393 views | J2BLUE |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 18:56 - Feb 21 by jeera |
I'm a bit torn on this.
Why has the FB bird* made the connection in the first place?
As in, there's been burglaries and who is this black man knocking on doors?
I suppose without knowing the details it's pointless guessing too much.
I hope Doris is doing well though.
*deliberately provocative for effect. |
She might be nervous and wondering about anyone she doesn't know knocking on doors. She was being descriptive. I don't see the issue.
Why mention the high vis other than to be descriptive? Why do we accept that is descriptive but the black comment is somehow not? | |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 19:03 - Feb 21 with 1389 views | jeera |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 19:01 - Feb 21 by J2BLUE |
She might be nervous and wondering about anyone she doesn't know knocking on doors. She was being descriptive. I don't see the issue.
Why mention the high vis other than to be descriptive? Why do we accept that is descriptive but the black comment is somehow not? |
This is also all true.
Like I say, it's hard to know what to say without more context. | |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 19:06 - Feb 21 with 1366 views | J2BLUE |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 19:03 - Feb 21 by jeera |
This is also all true.
Like I say, it's hard to know what to say without more context. |
The defence rests. | |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 19:08 - Feb 21 with 1360 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 18:31 - Feb 21 by Ewan_Oozami |
This wasn't a crime.... |
The discussion is about crime. The OP says there have been some burglaries and dodgy callers recently, and then asks has anyone seen an unknown person knocking on doors.
So the context in this situation is that crime has happened and someone is acting suspiciously. If she was discussing "The new assistant in the butchers is a lovely chap" then she presumably wouldn't mention his colour. There'd be no need.
If there are burglaries happening and someone's acting suspiciously (in the eyes of the resident) then it makes sense to mention every descriptive factor about them. | |
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| Here's a modern dilemma on 19:09 - Feb 21 with 1348 views | jeera |
| Here's a modern dilemma on 19:06 - Feb 21 by J2BLUE |
The defence rests. |
I'm more just heckling from the side-lines.
And eating my dinner, if it could be called that. | |
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