| Hypothetically speaking 10:31 - Feb 22 with 18589 views | blueasfook |
On the remote chance that labour had won the election...
I wonder what noises Comrade Corbyn would be making to the Russians over their illegal invasion of Ukraine.
He would probably side with them and wish them well. |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 22:14 - Feb 22 with 1866 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Hypothetically speaking on 21:47 - Feb 22 by Darth_Koont |
So much to unpack in that. I’ll do it tomorrow, but how much of that is perception over reality?
Far, far too much. |
It's the voice of experience of living in an ex-industrial East Midlands town that voted 2/3 for Brexit and continues to elect a Tory.
People there, especially the older voters, simply didn't trust Corbyn, and were willing to forgive Johnson his "quirks" (you know, like perpetually lying and not doing his homework) because he tapped into something quite deep within them. Whereas Corbyn left them cold.
He didn't leave me cold (although I think he was poor in the Brexit Referendum campaign, and his performances at PMQs revealed him to be lacking in the speed of thought across a wide range of issues that the job of PM demands) but he left them cold. His policies were popular. The media is rigged. First Past the Post is rigged. But that doesn't mean that a different Labour leader wouldn't have been able to beat Johnson.
And, crucially, it means that I don't want Labour to sell the younger generation short at the next Election. The policies were popular, and weren't the problem. Give the young some hope and something to work, campaign and fight for!
The echoes of the 70s will haunt Labour for a while yet, and one of the biggest ghosts is the Left v Centrist schisms (and let's be honest, Left v Left, as well).
Every time Labour fights amongst itself it reminds older voters of the divided Movement which led to rubbish on the streets and electricity being turned off, and the demeaning act of a Labour Chancellor begging the IMF for 50p for the meter to try and turn it back on again.
We need to come together to have any hope of stopping the Tories. And, as I have banged on about many times before, the elimination of checks and balances on Executive power by Johnson and Co mean that the future of democracy depends on it.
What is most needed is a pact that in the 100 most marginal Tory constituencies Labour, SNP, Lib Dems and Greens will each step aside for only one candidate. They can fight it out in the other 500. But that is the best hope of saving democracy. |  | | |
| Hypothetically speaking on 22:15 - Feb 22 with 1852 views | Darth_Koont |
| Hypothetically speaking on 22:12 - Feb 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've not done Haribo ads for 5 years.
So come on, we're all dying to know your saintly job. Probably rescuing kittens from streams or something? |
Bagging them up for initiation ceremonies seems a bit more likely. |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 22:21 - Feb 22 with 1821 views | Darth_Koont |
| Hypothetically speaking on 22:14 - Feb 22 by ArnoldMoorhen |
It's the voice of experience of living in an ex-industrial East Midlands town that voted 2/3 for Brexit and continues to elect a Tory.
People there, especially the older voters, simply didn't trust Corbyn, and were willing to forgive Johnson his "quirks" (you know, like perpetually lying and not doing his homework) because he tapped into something quite deep within them. Whereas Corbyn left them cold.
He didn't leave me cold (although I think he was poor in the Brexit Referendum campaign, and his performances at PMQs revealed him to be lacking in the speed of thought across a wide range of issues that the job of PM demands) but he left them cold. His policies were popular. The media is rigged. First Past the Post is rigged. But that doesn't mean that a different Labour leader wouldn't have been able to beat Johnson.
And, crucially, it means that I don't want Labour to sell the younger generation short at the next Election. The policies were popular, and weren't the problem. Give the young some hope and something to work, campaign and fight for!
The echoes of the 70s will haunt Labour for a while yet, and one of the biggest ghosts is the Left v Centrist schisms (and let's be honest, Left v Left, as well).
Every time Labour fights amongst itself it reminds older voters of the divided Movement which led to rubbish on the streets and electricity being turned off, and the demeaning act of a Labour Chancellor begging the IMF for 50p for the meter to try and turn it back on again.
We need to come together to have any hope of stopping the Tories. And, as I have banged on about many times before, the elimination of checks and balances on Executive power by Johnson and Co mean that the future of democracy depends on it.
What is most needed is a pact that in the 100 most marginal Tory constituencies Labour, SNP, Lib Dems and Greens will each step aside for only one candidate. They can fight it out in the other 500. But that is the best hope of saving democracy. |
There’s lots to unpack because I agree with your underlying points and concerns.
I just have to work out why the fiercest, most smeary ammunition was used in a discussion of those concerns and what that says about the biggest problems affecting the UK.
I’ll be honest – I’m close to thinking the UK is a lost cause politically. It doesn’t even have the US’s state and regional perspectives to fall back on. Just screams of an establishment trying to cling on. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 22:29 - Feb 22 with 1798 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Hypothetically speaking on 13:31 - Feb 22 by Manchesterblue |
I think we can safely say Putin wouldn't be doing this if Trump was still in,
Biden cant even keep awake. |
Idiotic statement, Trump was Putin's stooge. 10/10 for ignorance |  | | |
| Hypothetically speaking on 22:42 - Feb 22 with 1772 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Hypothetically speaking on 18:22 - Feb 22 by noggin |
The working class were hell bent on getting out and 'controlling our borders'. Better people than Corbyn told them it was a bad choice but they weren't listening. There was only ever going to be one winner and so Britain (England) has the government it deserves. |
Corbyn was ambivalent about Brexit and was absent during the campaign | | | |
| Hypothetically speaking on 22:48 - Feb 22 with 1749 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Hypothetically speaking on 20:41 - Feb 22 by noggin |
Oh I get it. You've just explained why you got Johnson as PM. You wanted a character, even if he's a persistent liar and openly racist. Who cares about policies? |
He didn't say anything like that at all. Tut tut | | | |
| Hypothetically speaking on 22:53 - Feb 22 with 1742 views | lowhouseblue |
| Hypothetically speaking on 22:42 - Feb 22 by reusersfreekicks |
Corbyn was ambivalent about Brexit and was absent during the campaign |
'absent' could be misinterpreted as a little bit disengaged. he literally went on holiday for a fortnight. i'm amazed any pro-european can look back and not find it mind boggling. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 22:53 - Feb 22 with 1741 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Hypothetically speaking on 22:14 - Feb 22 by ArnoldMoorhen |
It's the voice of experience of living in an ex-industrial East Midlands town that voted 2/3 for Brexit and continues to elect a Tory.
People there, especially the older voters, simply didn't trust Corbyn, and were willing to forgive Johnson his "quirks" (you know, like perpetually lying and not doing his homework) because he tapped into something quite deep within them. Whereas Corbyn left them cold.
He didn't leave me cold (although I think he was poor in the Brexit Referendum campaign, and his performances at PMQs revealed him to be lacking in the speed of thought across a wide range of issues that the job of PM demands) but he left them cold. His policies were popular. The media is rigged. First Past the Post is rigged. But that doesn't mean that a different Labour leader wouldn't have been able to beat Johnson.
And, crucially, it means that I don't want Labour to sell the younger generation short at the next Election. The policies were popular, and weren't the problem. Give the young some hope and something to work, campaign and fight for!
The echoes of the 70s will haunt Labour for a while yet, and one of the biggest ghosts is the Left v Centrist schisms (and let's be honest, Left v Left, as well).
Every time Labour fights amongst itself it reminds older voters of the divided Movement which led to rubbish on the streets and electricity being turned off, and the demeaning act of a Labour Chancellor begging the IMF for 50p for the meter to try and turn it back on again.
We need to come together to have any hope of stopping the Tories. And, as I have banged on about many times before, the elimination of checks and balances on Executive power by Johnson and Co mean that the future of democracy depends on it.
What is most needed is a pact that in the 100 most marginal Tory constituencies Labour, SNP, Lib Dems and Greens will each step aside for only one candidate. They can fight it out in the other 500. But that is the best hope of saving democracy. |
Far too objective for certain people on here | | | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 23:49 - Feb 22 with 1696 views | Darth_Koont |
| Hypothetically speaking on 22:53 - Feb 22 by lowhouseblue |
'absent' could be misinterpreted as a little bit disengaged. he literally went on holiday for a fortnight. i'm amazed any pro-european can look back and not find it mind boggling. |
No he didn’t.
Jesus, why do you have to lie to have any political point? What does that say about your politics? | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 05:56 - Feb 23 with 1620 views | solomon |
| Hypothetically speaking on 10:41 - Feb 22 by bournemouthblue |
Russia of course are just as closely aligned to the Tory Party given various donations etc
Corbyn was weak on defence, that was definitely the weaker point of his leadership and certainly a contributing factor to him not winning
What must not be forgotten is he was actually pretty popular with the under 45's, there's a massive divide in this country politically across age |
I disagree with Jeremy Corbyn on many many issues however he is at heart a committed pacifist who is committed to peace and the fact all lives should be respected, this surely is a quality all right minded human beings have at the core of their very existence? Maybe just maybe, right now we need someone with these qualities to pull everyone back from the brink of madness? |  | | |
| Hypothetically speaking on 08:57 - Feb 23 with 1537 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Hypothetically speaking on 23:49 - Feb 22 by Darth_Koont |
No he didn’t.
Jesus, why do you have to lie to have any political point? What does that say about your politics? |
When confronted by reporters Mr Corbyn said he was present but not involved in the Butlins knobbly knees competition.
Mr Corbyn was then shown photos of him on stage with his son Tommy for the dads and lads competition, Mr Corbyn stated his attendance was a protest at the lack of gender neutral events at the Bognor Regis camp.
He then stormed off muttering something about Zionists. |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 09:06 - Feb 23 with 1520 views | noggin |
| Hypothetically speaking on 22:42 - Feb 22 by reusersfreekicks |
Corbyn was ambivalent about Brexit and was absent during the campaign |
Even if that were true, the problem was that the red wall areas of the north had made their minds up that immigration and perceived EU control over 'our laws' were the reason for their hardships and that Britain should rule the waves once again. Tory lies were music to the ears of such voters. Apparently many are now regretting their naivety. |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 09:12 - Feb 23 with 1500 views | lowhouseblue |
| Hypothetically speaking on 23:49 - Feb 22 by Darth_Koont |
No he didn’t.
Jesus, why do you have to lie to have any political point? What does that say about your politics? |
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/jexit-its-holiday-time-for-corbyn-796dwzch6 | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 09:15 - Feb 23 with 1488 views | giant_stow |
| Hypothetically speaking on 05:56 - Feb 23 by solomon |
I disagree with Jeremy Corbyn on many many issues however he is at heart a committed pacifist who is committed to peace and the fact all lives should be respected, this surely is a quality all right minded human beings have at the core of their very existence? Maybe just maybe, right now we need someone with these qualities to pull everyone back from the brink of madness? |
You're right about pacifists and their important voice, but I don't think we need them to pull *everyone* back from the brink - just the clear aggressor. |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 09:22 - Feb 23 with 1470 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Since when did taking a few days off become a fortnight's holiday?! |  |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 09:23 - Feb 23 with 1461 views | lowhouseblue |
| Hypothetically speaking on 09:22 - Feb 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Since when did taking a few days off become a fortnight's holiday?! |
apologies - fat finger, don't know how i pressed that button. didn't intend to do so !! | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 09:25 - Feb 23 with 1453 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hypothetically speaking on 09:23 - Feb 23 by lowhouseblue |
apologies - fat finger, don't know how i pressed that button. didn't intend to do so !! |
Finger Tourettes. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 09:26 - Feb 23 with 1453 views | giant_stow |
| Hypothetically speaking on 09:22 - Feb 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Since when did taking a few days off become a fortnight's holiday?! |
The detail doesn't change the point though. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 09:28 - Feb 23 with 1457 views | blueasfook |
| Hypothetically speaking on 19:33 - Feb 22 by ArnoldMoorhen |
I think it is not unreasonable to assume that Corbyn would be incredibly wary about getting involved in anything that might lead to, even proxy, warfare. For example, I don't think he would have sent the anti-tank weaponry out to Ukraine.
He is pretty much a pacificist, and would want to limit any British Military involvement overseas to that carried out under the auspices of the UN.
He was very wary about saying very much against Russia or Putin over the Salisbury poisonings. The question remains over whether it was because he was waiting for more evidence before passing judgement, or whether he was reluctant to criticise Russia. He said it was the former.
So I think he would have been more fully behind Macron's shuttle diplomacy, and wouldn't have made some of the comments that Johnson has made over the last few days eg "biggest war in Europe since WW2" (which is a very frightening prospect when the Balkan war is considered.)
My other gut feeling is that Putin has got what he wants now, and after a lot of hand-wringing and sanctions, everyone in the West will be mighty relieved when war doesn't follow, and the new "independent regions" will remain under Russian control. Then a "peace deal" will be signed, just before winter, and the sanctions can be relaxed so that Germany gets it's gas supplies switched back on, just as the temperatures start to drop.
That's my gut feeling, as a Labour voter. |
His great idea in the Salisbury poisonings was to send Novichok samples to Russia and ask them to confirm if it was theirs!
Tell me, is he really that naive that he would think they'd tell the truth?! | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 09:30 - Feb 23 with 1453 views | blueasfook |
| Hypothetically speaking on 18:22 - Feb 22 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I voted on ideas and policies. If more people engaged in that instead of gutter politics things might well have been different.
I can't be bothered with it anymore. And it's why so many are turned off by politics to this day. It's all just a stupid game. |
Awww, that's right. You leave politics to real men with testicles. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 09:32 - Feb 23 with 1436 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Hypothetically speaking on 09:30 - Feb 23 by blueasfook |
Awww, that's right. You leave politics to real men with testicles. |
This place was much better when you fecked off. Maybe you should feck off again. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 09:34 - Feb 23 with 1418 views | leitrimblue |
| Hypothetically speaking on 09:30 - Feb 23 by blueasfook |
Awww, that's right. You leave politics to real men with testicles. |
Can you let us know when they arrive love? |  | | |
| Hypothetically speaking on 09:37 - Feb 23 with 1403 views | blueasfook |
| Hypothetically speaking on 09:32 - Feb 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
This place was much better when you fecked off. Maybe you should feck off again. |
Put me on ignore. Problem solved. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 09:41 - Feb 23 with 1386 views | Darth_Koont |
He had a long weekend over three weeks out from the referendum. The “two week holiday” nonsense was Swinson’s lie that you are repeating but can’t even back up here with the Times’ own allegation.
Stop being disingenuous. | |
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| Hypothetically speaking on 09:42 - Feb 23 with 1379 views | Darth_Koont |
| Hypothetically speaking on 09:26 - Feb 23 by giant_stow |
The detail doesn't change the point though. |
Unbelievable. | |
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