| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front 13:07 - Mar 30 with 1168 views | Asa |
A very smart move for so many reasons, but you'd imagine someone identifying talent for Manchester United will have contacts the world over and also a huge database of players not deemed good enough for them that may not have lived up to their potential and could be viable options for us and absolute stars here.
Does anyone know what the current situation is with work permits, EU players, those from overseas etc. It's all well and good being aware of the next Taricco, Guentchev or Petta, but there seem to be so many rules now, post Brexit especially, that prevent players from signing for us, that I wondered what our worldwide market is likely to be reduced to, assuming we now have this huge scope for player identification.
Is it still the case that players with international caps are likely to be granted work permits and does this apply to U23 / U18 internationals? [Post edited 30 Mar 2022 13:11]
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| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front on 13:17 - Mar 30 with 1084 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Hostile environment and zero chance of getting unknown foreigners in. | |
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| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front on 13:22 - Mar 30 with 1065 views | Swansea_Blue |
It'd be interesting to see a list of former players who we couldn't have signed under the new rules. I suspect there'd be a few. |  |
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| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front on 13:25 - Mar 30 with 1049 views | Asa |
| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front on 13:17 - Mar 30 by ElephantintheRoom |
Hostile environment and zero chance of getting unknown foreigners in. |
It seems limited for sure, which is a shame given that it would likely give us a significant advantage in being able to use resources that other League One clubs cant afford.
It seems there must be some favourable criteria though as some overseas players have been coming in. Then there's the likes of Berahino, a Burundi born Burundi international who had been in Belgium and China I think for the last few years, so presumably some criteria there to allow a player to return here who has been here as a child or played here recently (unless it was all agreed on recent international caps). If there's some criteria there for returning players for example, I suppose there could be some past Premier League / Championship players that have left the country in the last few years that would qualify for us, like Berahino has at another League One club.
It's only a few years really since the likes of Bru, Baijner, Shumilikovski, Brekke-Skard. I'd like to think the quality would be a lot better but even those types of players we'd have seen in recent times seem to be out of reach now, but then I guess if Bru was playing regularly for Mauritius, then there's a chance he could sneak in based on their world ranking and frequency of playing time.
Would be fascinated to know what, if any, realistic avenues the club has now for going after such talent, with it seemingly being this massive resource we could now tap into, but likely can't. [Post edited 30 Mar 2022 13:27]
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| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front on 13:39 - Mar 30 with 1003 views | DanTheMan |
| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front on 13:25 - Mar 30 by Asa |
It seems limited for sure, which is a shame given that it would likely give us a significant advantage in being able to use resources that other League One clubs cant afford.
It seems there must be some favourable criteria though as some overseas players have been coming in. Then there's the likes of Berahino, a Burundi born Burundi international who had been in Belgium and China I think for the last few years, so presumably some criteria there to allow a player to return here who has been here as a child or played here recently (unless it was all agreed on recent international caps). If there's some criteria there for returning players for example, I suppose there could be some past Premier League / Championship players that have left the country in the last few years that would qualify for us, like Berahino has at another League One club.
It's only a few years really since the likes of Bru, Baijner, Shumilikovski, Brekke-Skard. I'd like to think the quality would be a lot better but even those types of players we'd have seen in recent times seem to be out of reach now, but then I guess if Bru was playing regularly for Mauritius, then there's a chance he could sneak in based on their world ranking and frequency of playing time.
Would be fascinated to know what, if any, realistic avenues the club has now for going after such talent, with it seemingly being this massive resource we could now tap into, but likely can't. [Post edited 30 Mar 2022 13:27]
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I think for say Berahino, he was here as a child and so qualified to play for England so someone like him wouldn't be a problem as they are a British national I would assume.
I think as well there were special permits or something granted to those who were already playing football in the UK who would not have met the criteria to allow them to continue playing but I cannot recall the details.
Bru is an example of someone who I could not see getting a work permit. Played a reasonable amount of games in Bulgarian league which is band 6. If we assume he played all the games he'd have got two points from that, I don't think any points from his Mauritius games as they hadn't played any games and maybe some points from a couple of Europa League appearances. Assuming he got a maximum from that (5) and even if he got points for playing for Mauritius he'd still be some way from the required 15 points.
EDIT: Might have also got an additional two points for just being in a matchday squad for a band 6 league, but still that'd be at about eleven I think, if they had appeared internationally. [Post edited 30 Mar 2022 13:44]
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| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front on 13:44 - Mar 30 with 967 views | MattinLondon |
| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front on 13:39 - Mar 30 by DanTheMan |
I think for say Berahino, he was here as a child and so qualified to play for England so someone like him wouldn't be a problem as they are a British national I would assume.
I think as well there were special permits or something granted to those who were already playing football in the UK who would not have met the criteria to allow them to continue playing but I cannot recall the details.
Bru is an example of someone who I could not see getting a work permit. Played a reasonable amount of games in Bulgarian league which is band 6. If we assume he played all the games he'd have got two points from that, I don't think any points from his Mauritius games as they hadn't played any games and maybe some points from a couple of Europa League appearances. Assuming he got a maximum from that (5) and even if he got points for playing for Mauritius he'd still be some way from the required 15 points.
EDIT: Might have also got an additional two points for just being in a matchday squad for a band 6 league, but still that'd be at about eleven I think, if they had appeared internationally. [Post edited 30 Mar 2022 13:44]
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You’d think that with footballers earning more than the average wage the government wouldn’t be so strict with work permits. But instead just think of the tax they could claim from their wages. |  | | |
| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front (n/t) on 14:57 - Mar 30 with 851 views | Matterhorn |
| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front on 13:44 - Mar 30 by MattinLondon |
You’d think that with footballers earning more than the average wage the government wouldn’t be so strict with work permits. But instead just think of the tax they could claim from their wages. |
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| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front on 15:00 - Mar 30 with 844 views | Matterhorn |
| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front on 13:44 - Mar 30 by MattinLondon |
You’d think that with footballers earning more than the average wage the government wouldn’t be so strict with work permits. But instead just think of the tax they could claim from their wages. |
You seem to be forgetting, this government only wants to make the less well off poorer! | | | |
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| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front on 15:30 - Mar 30 with 791 views | Bluespeed225 |
| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front on 13:25 - Mar 30 by Asa |
It seems limited for sure, which is a shame given that it would likely give us a significant advantage in being able to use resources that other League One clubs cant afford.
It seems there must be some favourable criteria though as some overseas players have been coming in. Then there's the likes of Berahino, a Burundi born Burundi international who had been in Belgium and China I think for the last few years, so presumably some criteria there to allow a player to return here who has been here as a child or played here recently (unless it was all agreed on recent international caps). If there's some criteria there for returning players for example, I suppose there could be some past Premier League / Championship players that have left the country in the last few years that would qualify for us, like Berahino has at another League One club.
It's only a few years really since the likes of Bru, Baijner, Shumilikovski, Brekke-Skard. I'd like to think the quality would be a lot better but even those types of players we'd have seen in recent times seem to be out of reach now, but then I guess if Bru was playing regularly for Mauritius, then there's a chance he could sneak in based on their world ranking and frequency of playing time.
Would be fascinated to know what, if any, realistic avenues the club has now for going after such talent, with it seemingly being this massive resource we could now tap into, but likely can't. [Post edited 30 Mar 2022 13:27]
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I don't think Brekke-Skard would be out of reach. Colchester would think twice! | | | |
| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front on 16:15 - Mar 30 with 738 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front on 13:25 - Mar 30 by Asa |
It seems limited for sure, which is a shame given that it would likely give us a significant advantage in being able to use resources that other League One clubs cant afford.
It seems there must be some favourable criteria though as some overseas players have been coming in. Then there's the likes of Berahino, a Burundi born Burundi international who had been in Belgium and China I think for the last few years, so presumably some criteria there to allow a player to return here who has been here as a child or played here recently (unless it was all agreed on recent international caps). If there's some criteria there for returning players for example, I suppose there could be some past Premier League / Championship players that have left the country in the last few years that would qualify for us, like Berahino has at another League One club.
It's only a few years really since the likes of Bru, Baijner, Shumilikovski, Brekke-Skard. I'd like to think the quality would be a lot better but even those types of players we'd have seen in recent times seem to be out of reach now, but then I guess if Bru was playing regularly for Mauritius, then there's a chance he could sneak in based on their world ranking and frequency of playing time.
Would be fascinated to know what, if any, realistic avenues the club has now for going after such talent, with it seemingly being this massive resource we could now tap into, but likely can't. [Post edited 30 Mar 2022 13:27]
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Ashton seemed to suggest last summer that as general rule if we were looking abroad we'd need to be a championship club to attract the calibre of player to meet the criteria.
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| Very exciting to see a world of options open up on the scouting front on 17:59 - Mar 30 with 629 views | FrimleyBlue |
Going off Ashton's interview just now, seems we might be seeing some players from abroad.
Love that we don't really have 2 lists depending on what league we are in. |  |
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