| Oh, interesting development on 09:43 - Apr 22 with 1781 views | Zx1988 |
I'm sure it's all perfectly organic and above-board, but the McCanns do like to be able to showcase some 'progress' whenever the anniversary comes around. |  |
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| Oh, interesting development on 10:03 - Apr 22 with 1711 views | CaptainAhab |
| Oh, interesting development on 09:43 - Apr 22 by Zx1988 |
I'm sure it's all perfectly organic and above-board, but the McCanns do like to be able to showcase some 'progress' whenever the anniversary comes around. |
What a snide thing to say | | | |
| Oh, interesting development on 10:07 - Apr 22 with 1722 views | itfcjoe |
Sounds as though they know it is this bloke (or that he is at least incolved) but can't get the evidence and don't want their window to shut on it. |  |
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| Oh, interesting development on 10:09 - Apr 22 with 1704 views | Zx1988 |
| Oh, interesting development on 10:03 - Apr 22 by CaptainAhab |
What a snide thing to say |
What is it about the white middle-class McCanns that meant that they managed to get off scot free, when lesser mortals would have no doubt been facing charges of neglect? | |
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| Oh, interesting development on 10:15 - Apr 22 with 1669 views | LeoMuff |
| Oh, interesting development on 10:09 - Apr 22 by Zx1988 |
What is it about the white middle-class McCanns that meant that they managed to get off scot free, when lesser mortals would have no doubt been facing charges of neglect? |
Pathetic comments really, they made some poor choices which cost them the highest price you could ever imagine, but neglect is very harsh. |  |
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| Oh, interesting development on 10:17 - Apr 22 with 1656 views | CaptainAhab |
| Oh, interesting development on 10:09 - Apr 22 by Zx1988 |
What is it about the white middle-class McCanns that meant that they managed to get off scot free, when lesser mortals would have no doubt been facing charges of neglect? |
What does it matter what their background is? They've been through hell, lost a child and still they get smeared by people, even though it's now become obvious a serial offender was behind it. The abuse they've had to suffer in the years since has been sickening. | | | |
| Oh, interesting development on 10:28 - Apr 22 with 1608 views | jeera |
| Oh, interesting development on 10:09 - Apr 22 by Zx1988 |
What is it about the white middle-class McCanns that meant that they managed to get off scot free, when lesser mortals would have no doubt been facing charges of neglect? |
"Scot-free"
What a piece of work.
This always brings out the worst in our midst. |  |
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| Oh, interesting development on 10:34 - Apr 22 with 1588 views | SitfcB |
| Oh, interesting development on 10:07 - Apr 22 by itfcjoe |
Sounds as though they know it is this bloke (or that he is at least incolved) but can't get the evidence and don't want their window to shut on it. |
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| Oh, interesting development on 11:49 - Apr 22 with 1449 views | noggin |
| Oh, interesting development on 10:09 - Apr 22 by Zx1988 |
What is it about the white middle-class McCanns that meant that they managed to get off scot free, when lesser mortals would have no doubt been facing charges of neglect? |
Wow! |  |
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| Oh, interesting development on 11:58 - Apr 22 with 1423 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Oh, interesting development on 10:17 - Apr 22 by CaptainAhab |
What does it matter what their background is? They've been through hell, lost a child and still they get smeared by people, even though it's now become obvious a serial offender was behind it. The abuse they've had to suffer in the years since has been sickening. |
I agree with what you say to a large extent and it's impossible to imagine the loss of a child under any circumstances - let alone something like this.
I do wonder though how a fat jobless couple from a council estate would have been dealt with by the media under similar circumstances.. |  |
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| Oh, interesting development on 12:02 - Apr 22 with 1403 views | mylittletown |
| Oh, interesting development on 11:58 - Apr 22 by Lord_Lucan |
I agree with what you say to a large extent and it's impossible to imagine the loss of a child under any circumstances - let alone something like this.
I do wonder though how a fat jobless couple from a council estate would have been dealt with by the media under similar circumstances.. |
It is a perfectly fair question.
Nothing can possibly negate the terrible loss that they suffered, and the nightmares they must still have, but Lucan is right. |  | | |
| Oh, interesting development on 12:03 - Apr 22 with 1404 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Oh, interesting development on 10:15 - Apr 22 by LeoMuff |
Pathetic comments really, they made some poor choices which cost them the highest price you could ever imagine, but neglect is very harsh. |
Whilst I don't think there is a need to use the inflammatory language, I don't think it's unreasonable to say the parents were negligent on the night in question (at least) and therefore they did neglect their children. It absolutely doesn't mean they deserved to suffer for what happened to that poor little girl or that they didn't love her but by almost any definition they did neglect her that night. | | | |
| Oh, interesting development on 12:06 - Apr 22 with 1392 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Oh, interesting development on 10:17 - Apr 22 by CaptainAhab |
What does it matter what their background is? They've been through hell, lost a child and still they get smeared by people, even though it's now become obvious a serial offender was behind it. The abuse they've had to suffer in the years since has been sickening. |
I'm not sure what your definition of a smear is but the fact is they did leave their children unobserved and alone for a significant period of time. Does it justify what happened to the poor little child, of course not - that is at the hands of a sub-human scumbag - but their negligence was a contributing factor in the even occurring however unpalatable that fact is. | | | |
| Oh, interesting development on 12:19 - Apr 22 with 1344 views | LeoMuff |
| Oh, interesting development on 11:58 - Apr 22 by Lord_Lucan |
I agree with what you say to a large extent and it's impossible to imagine the loss of a child under any circumstances - let alone something like this.
I do wonder though how a fat jobless couple from a council estate would have been dealt with by the media under similar circumstances.. |
They have been crucified In the media, I’m not sure how it could have been worse. | |
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| Oh, interesting development on 12:40 - Apr 22 with 1299 views | solomon |
| Oh, interesting development on 10:09 - Apr 22 by Zx1988 |
What is it about the white middle-class McCanns that meant that they managed to get off scot free, when lesser mortals would have no doubt been facing charges of neglect? |
Come off it pal, they did nothing wrong really, a bit careless possibly but that’s it, it’s the sick lowlife(s) who abducted the child that deserve all our anger and resentment, for anyone with an ounce of moral fibre berating the parents is a very stupid place to position yourself. |  | | |
| Oh, interesting development on 12:47 - Apr 22 with 1253 views | CaptainAhab |
| Oh, interesting development on 12:06 - Apr 22 by PassionNotAnger |
I'm not sure what your definition of a smear is but the fact is they did leave their children unobserved and alone for a significant period of time. Does it justify what happened to the poor little child, of course not - that is at the hands of a sub-human scumbag - but their negligence was a contributing factor in the even occurring however unpalatable that fact is. |
I use the word smear, because they've often been treated by the media (and certainly social media) as the prime suspects, which must just be horrendous. Imagine losing a child and then being accused of the crime?
Would a family from the lower class have suffered worse at the hands of the media? Well, maybe, but I certainly don't thing the McCann's have had it easy by any stretch.
I certainly agree with you that there is some culpability because of their actions on the night, but I don't think they're the child neglecting monsters that they're sometimes made out to be. They were incredibly foolish, but hindsight is a wonderful thing and I'm sure they're not the first and last parents to do something like this whilst on holiday (not excusing it for a second mind you)
I've been to Luz a few times and seeing the place where it happened did change my mind slightly. Where Madelaine was abducted is part of a private complex, a fair way from the resort centre, that you'd presume (obviously incorrectly unfortunately) was relatively secure. They were having dinner inside the same complex, it's not like they'd gone for a night on the town forgetting their kids completely. Again I'm not excusing them at all here, it is not something I'd have done with my kids, but I can kind of see how it happened. Yes with hindsight it's terrible and certainly negligent to some extent, but on top of losing a child, to have the opprobrium, insinuations and accusations that have followed them has always felt horrific to me.
*Edited for spelling [Post edited 22 Apr 2022 12:50]
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| Oh, interesting development on 13:02 - Apr 22 with 1206 views | itfcjoe |
| Oh, interesting development on 11:58 - Apr 22 by Lord_Lucan |
I agree with what you say to a large extent and it's impossible to imagine the loss of a child under any circumstances - let alone something like this.
I do wonder though how a fat jobless couple from a council estate would have been dealt with by the media under similar circumstances.. |
Well the fat jobless couple probably wouldn't still be in the media - and whilst that gives them more exposure in trying to find Maddie it also means that they are never going to be forgotten about, wherever they are people will stop and stare and whilst I can't imagine anyone ever getting over the loss of a child, they are in a position where they will never be able to forget it for a second if ever out and about
So guess wings and roundabouts really, I bet 99.9% of the population couldn't pick Shannon Matthews parents out of a line up | |
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| Oh, interesting development on 13:29 - Apr 22 with 1153 views | WD19 |
| Oh, interesting development on 09:43 - Apr 22 by Zx1988 |
I'm sure it's all perfectly organic and above-board, but the McCanns do like to be able to showcase some 'progress' whenever the anniversary comes around. |
I like these kind of posts. It helps flag who are the complete cretins on the board. |  | | |
| Oh, interesting development on 13:43 - Apr 22 with 1126 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Oh, interesting development on 12:40 - Apr 22 by solomon |
Come off it pal, they did nothing wrong really, a bit careless possibly but that’s it, it’s the sick lowlife(s) who abducted the child that deserve all our anger and resentment, for anyone with an ounce of moral fibre berating the parents is a very stupid place to position yourself. |
I'm sorry but if you don't think leaving your children alone in an apartment that you can't see or monitor in anyway whilst you enjoy a meal and drinks in a different part of a complex isn't doing anything wrong then we clearly have very different ideas of what it is to be a responsible parent and probably won't agree on much.
I do agree (and stated previously) that the scum who did whatever it is they did to that poor child are the lowest of the low and deserve all the vitriol and abuse in the world BUT that doesn't mean that the parents are exempt from criticism too for their negligence that unfortunately contributed to the scum being able to commit their evil crime. | | | |
| Oh, interesting development on 14:25 - Apr 22 with 1075 views | noggin |
| Oh, interesting development on 13:43 - Apr 22 by PassionNotAnger |
I'm sorry but if you don't think leaving your children alone in an apartment that you can't see or monitor in anyway whilst you enjoy a meal and drinks in a different part of a complex isn't doing anything wrong then we clearly have very different ideas of what it is to be a responsible parent and probably won't agree on much.
I do agree (and stated previously) that the scum who did whatever it is they did to that poor child are the lowest of the low and deserve all the vitriol and abuse in the world BUT that doesn't mean that the parents are exempt from criticism too for their negligence that unfortunately contributed to the scum being able to commit their evil crime. |
My parents did it at Butlins in the 70s, as did a lot of parents at that time. [Post edited 22 Apr 2022 14:26]
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| Oh, interesting development on 14:37 - Apr 22 with 1052 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Oh, interesting development on 14:25 - Apr 22 by noggin |
My parents did it at Butlins in the 70s, as did a lot of parents at that time. [Post edited 22 Apr 2022 14:26]
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Lots of people did lots of things in the 70's that were deemed acceptable then but as the world changed so did their behaviour, from language and views of race and homosexuality to leaving their front doors unlocked when they went out etc etc.
That shouldn't excuse people (especially those who are supposedly educated) from still doing things decades later when the risks have fundamentally changed. | | | |
| Oh, interesting development on 14:40 - Apr 22 with 1047 views | WD19 |
| Oh, interesting development on 14:37 - Apr 22 by PassionNotAnger |
Lots of people did lots of things in the 70's that were deemed acceptable then but as the world changed so did their behaviour, from language and views of race and homosexuality to leaving their front doors unlocked when they went out etc etc.
That shouldn't excuse people (especially those who are supposedly educated) from still doing things decades later when the risks have fundamentally changed. |
Yeah, the 1970's - a time before noncing was invented - were so much better. | | | |
| Oh, interesting development on 14:42 - Apr 22 with 1038 views | LeoMuff |
| Oh, interesting development on 14:37 - Apr 22 by PassionNotAnger |
Lots of people did lots of things in the 70's that were deemed acceptable then but as the world changed so did their behaviour, from language and views of race and homosexuality to leaving their front doors unlocked when they went out etc etc.
That shouldn't excuse people (especially those who are supposedly educated) from still doing things decades later when the risks have fundamentally changed. |
As I understand they could see the building the apartment was in and were checking every 30 mins, I’m sure many many parents have done the same and many wouldn’t consider it ok. I doubt the risks are any different now from the 70s if anything probably reduced.
They don’t deserve anything like the vitriol they get/got. | |
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| Oh, interesting development on 15:07 - Apr 22 with 1006 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Oh, interesting development on 14:42 - Apr 22 by LeoMuff |
As I understand they could see the building the apartment was in and were checking every 30 mins, I’m sure many many parents have done the same and many wouldn’t consider it ok. I doubt the risks are any different now from the 70s if anything probably reduced.
They don’t deserve anything like the vitriol they get/got. |
That wasn't my recollection of the layout having watched the documentary couple of years go but stand to be corrected.
Notwithstanding that I doubt we'll agree or anyone will change their respective views now after so many years and I don't wish to offend anyone so will leave it there with a final comment that someone doesn't have to choose whether to have empathy OR criticism for the parents, personally I have both. | | | |
| Oh, interesting development on 15:19 - Apr 22 with 990 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Oh, interesting development on 14:40 - Apr 22 by WD19 |
Yeah, the 1970's - a time before noncing was invented - were so much better. |
Which wasn't a point that anyone at all was making but those words perhaps make you feel better in some way? | | | |
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