| Well, can but hope on 00:06 - Apr 25 with 3237 views | Whos_blue |
For the love of God. Please make this happen. |  |
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| Well, can but hope on 00:15 - Apr 25 with 3218 views | Ryorry |
| Well, can but hope on 00:06 - Apr 25 by Whos_blue |
For the love of God. Please make this happen. |
Problem is, who would we get in his place? - all the obvious contenders are nearly as bad as he is. |  |
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| Well, can but hope on 00:22 - Apr 25 with 3195 views | marchy |
| Well, can but hope on 00:15 - Apr 25 by Ryorry |
Problem is, who would we get in his place? - all the obvious contenders are nearly as bad as he is. |
They are, but they're probably not going to have the same degree of buffoonery which idiots inexplicably find endearing. |  | | |
| Well, we can but hope on 02:11 - Apr 25 with 3156 views | XYZ |
Re: Smog referring to "socialists" and the corrupt Johnson (sue me please) being a "great man" brazenly demonstrating their disdain for the ordinary brit.
Anyone who is not a non-dom multi-millionaire that votes for them is certifiable. Or fascistly inclined (not mutually exclusive).
They're about to emasculate the Electoral Commission and put it under government (their) control, restrict the right to vote (ID requirements) and gerimander (sp?) constituency boundaries.
Hundreds of years of UK democracy is being trashed.
Inflation is 10% - interest rates heading north quickly - the economy is in a recession - Brexit hasn't been "done" (no controls on imports, smuggling is rife - guns, drugs, etc - we have no checks because: cost of checkers).
And Johnson admits we need "hundreds of thousands" of immigrants possibly from Modi's religious intolerant, Putin supporting, India to keep the country going.
Vote wisely on May 5th your country is at a turning point. Britain has a proud history of standing up to fascists - that's what this lot are.
You're either against it or you're for it. | | | |
| Well, can but hope on 11:19 - Apr 25 with 2937 views | Ryorry |
| Well, can but hope on 00:22 - Apr 25 by marchy |
They are, but they're probably not going to have the same degree of buffoonery which idiots inexplicably find endearing. |
True, true. | |
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| Well, can but hope on 11:24 - Apr 25 with 2929 views | STYG |
| Well, can but hope on 00:15 - Apr 25 by Ryorry |
Problem is, who would we get in his place? - all the obvious contenders are nearly as bad as he is. |
The only thing that matters is that the Tories go.
Part of me wonders if we are not better with Boris clinging on until the next General Election so they can all be wiped out of running the country.
Knowing our luck, they'll replace him with someone equally as evil, but without the proven lies and recent bad PR, who will trick just enough thick people, by pressing enough racist or bigoted buttons and see them carry on for the four years after that.
Starmer can be anywhere now from brilliant to incompetent and he would still be massive step up anything the other lot can offer.
I can honestly see Gove, Patel or even Rees-Smug wheeled out to take over now Rishi is likely done. Nothing would surprise me if Boris went. Apart from something actually forcing him to go. | | | |
| Well, can but hope on 12:15 - Apr 25 with 2849 views | wkj |
| Well, can but hope on 00:15 - Apr 25 by Ryorry |
Problem is, who would we get in his place? - all the obvious contenders are nearly as bad as he is. |
This problem should really not be a problem, or part of how we think. Yes, we could end up with someone worse - however, this isn't a popularity vote. It is making sure people who have broken laws, rules and trust are held accountable. If accountability isn't reached then we end up undermining ourselves as a democratic nation.
The guilty must be made to answer, regardless of how poor the replacement could be. |  |
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| Well, we can but hope on 12:57 - Apr 25 with 2795 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Well, we can but hope on 02:11 - Apr 25 by XYZ |
Re: Smog referring to "socialists" and the corrupt Johnson (sue me please) being a "great man" brazenly demonstrating their disdain for the ordinary brit.
Anyone who is not a non-dom multi-millionaire that votes for them is certifiable. Or fascistly inclined (not mutually exclusive).
They're about to emasculate the Electoral Commission and put it under government (their) control, restrict the right to vote (ID requirements) and gerimander (sp?) constituency boundaries.
Hundreds of years of UK democracy is being trashed.
Inflation is 10% - interest rates heading north quickly - the economy is in a recession - Brexit hasn't been "done" (no controls on imports, smuggling is rife - guns, drugs, etc - we have no checks because: cost of checkers).
And Johnson admits we need "hundreds of thousands" of immigrants possibly from Modi's religious intolerant, Putin supporting, India to keep the country going.
Vote wisely on May 5th your country is at a turning point. Britain has a proud history of standing up to fascists - that's what this lot are.
You're either against it or you're for it. |
The scariest thing is that you have not included about 7 other fascist things that they have done, or are in the process of getting done.
Huge increase in Ministerial powers to make law without recourse to Parliament.
Attacks on the independence of the BBC and Channel 4.
Move from announcing new legislation and policy in Parliament to Government by Press Conference.
Removal of Judicial Review of Ministerial decisions.
Breach of international treaty obligations re Good Friday Agreement.
Declared willingness to breach international law in order to "Get Brexit Done".
Illegal proroguing of Parliament.
Decapitation of potential leadership threats within Party by deselecting eg Rory Stewart.
Foreign influence in Brexit Referendum.
Suppression of Reports critical of Johnson, Vote Leave, or Government.
Meetings with oligarchs, eg "charity auction tennis match". | | | |
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| Well, can but hope on 14:44 - Apr 25 with 2683 views | Ryorry |
| Well, can but hope on 12:15 - Apr 25 by wkj |
This problem should really not be a problem, or part of how we think. Yes, we could end up with someone worse - however, this isn't a popularity vote. It is making sure people who have broken laws, rules and trust are held accountable. If accountability isn't reached then we end up undermining ourselves as a democratic nation.
The guilty must be made to answer, regardless of how poor the replacement could be. |
Yep, sure, absolutely, but other potential contenders have broken the law too, for the same offences - do you think the tory party will stop them from standing in the contest? I have my doubts! [Post edited 25 Apr 2022 14:46]
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| Well, we can but hope on 14:49 - Apr 25 with 2665 views | STYG |
| Well, we can but hope on 02:11 - Apr 25 by XYZ |
Re: Smog referring to "socialists" and the corrupt Johnson (sue me please) being a "great man" brazenly demonstrating their disdain for the ordinary brit.
Anyone who is not a non-dom multi-millionaire that votes for them is certifiable. Or fascistly inclined (not mutually exclusive).
They're about to emasculate the Electoral Commission and put it under government (their) control, restrict the right to vote (ID requirements) and gerimander (sp?) constituency boundaries.
Hundreds of years of UK democracy is being trashed.
Inflation is 10% - interest rates heading north quickly - the economy is in a recession - Brexit hasn't been "done" (no controls on imports, smuggling is rife - guns, drugs, etc - we have no checks because: cost of checkers).
And Johnson admits we need "hundreds of thousands" of immigrants possibly from Modi's religious intolerant, Putin supporting, India to keep the country going.
Vote wisely on May 5th your country is at a turning point. Britain has a proud history of standing up to fascists - that's what this lot are.
You're either against it or you're for it. |
I'm not religious. I have known several very religious people / families who have believed in God / Jesus, gone to Church, abided by the Bible and I completely respect that, their beliefs and good on them.
However, there is something deeply concerning about people that claim to be devout religious folk who then act in the completely opposite manner in which their teachings and holy books / scriptures are telling them to. Incredibly hypocritical and selective to just pick which bits they feel like. You either believe in it or not surely.
One particular current politician tweets about the Lord Jesus Christ and clearly worships him but could not be more appalling to the very people Jesus is suggesting needs the help and love of Christians. A madness. | | | |
| Well, we can but hope on 14:54 - Apr 25 with 2637 views | blueasfook |
He should be gone already, having recieved a fine for breaking Covid rules.
What makes you think this will make him go? He's better at delusion and denial than Donald Trump. |  |
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| Well, can but hope on 15:21 - Apr 25 with 2583 views | tractordownsouth |
| Well, can but hope on 11:24 - Apr 25 by STYG |
The only thing that matters is that the Tories go.
Part of me wonders if we are not better with Boris clinging on until the next General Election so they can all be wiped out of running the country.
Knowing our luck, they'll replace him with someone equally as evil, but without the proven lies and recent bad PR, who will trick just enough thick people, by pressing enough racist or bigoted buttons and see them carry on for the four years after that.
Starmer can be anywhere now from brilliant to incompetent and he would still be massive step up anything the other lot can offer.
I can honestly see Gove, Patel or even Rees-Smug wheeled out to take over now Rishi is likely done. Nothing would surprise me if Boris went. Apart from something actually forcing him to go. |
Was listening to the New Statesman podcast last week and Andrew Marr said that the consensus among Tory MPs is that a leadership election won't be held yet but if it is then Ben Wallice would be a strong candidate.
The Tories' problem is that they're stuck with a poor leader but around 20% of the parliamentary party owe their seats to him so are reluctant to support a vote of no confidence. Then there's the added complication that very few of the reasonable alternatives would get past the membership - worth pointing out a recent poll showed that of those who expressed a preference, a majority of Tory members were supporting Le Pen yesterday |  |
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| Well, can but hope on 15:25 - Apr 25 with 2571 views | STYG |
| Well, can but hope on 15:21 - Apr 25 by tractordownsouth |
Was listening to the New Statesman podcast last week and Andrew Marr said that the consensus among Tory MPs is that a leadership election won't be held yet but if it is then Ben Wallice would be a strong candidate.
The Tories' problem is that they're stuck with a poor leader but around 20% of the parliamentary party owe their seats to him so are reluctant to support a vote of no confidence. Then there's the added complication that very few of the reasonable alternatives would get past the membership - worth pointing out a recent poll showed that of those who expressed a preference, a majority of Tory members were supporting Le Pen yesterday |
'A majority of Tory members were supporting Le Pen yesterday'
Colour me surprised. I don't think I could dislike them more if they changed to yellow and green. | | | |
| Well, we can but hope on 15:26 - Apr 25 with 2571 views | Ryorry |
| Well, we can but hope on 14:54 - Apr 25 by blueasfook |
He should be gone already, having recieved a fine for breaking Covid rules.
What makes you think this will make him go? He's better at delusion and denial than Donald Trump. |
If you re-read my OP, you'll see I said "we can but hope". | |
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| Well, we can but hope on 15:44 - Apr 25 with 2532 views | jaykay |
| Well, we can but hope on 14:49 - Apr 25 by STYG |
I'm not religious. I have known several very religious people / families who have believed in God / Jesus, gone to Church, abided by the Bible and I completely respect that, their beliefs and good on them.
However, there is something deeply concerning about people that claim to be devout religious folk who then act in the completely opposite manner in which their teachings and holy books / scriptures are telling them to. Incredibly hypocritical and selective to just pick which bits they feel like. You either believe in it or not surely.
One particular current politician tweets about the Lord Jesus Christ and clearly worships him but could not be more appalling to the very people Jesus is suggesting needs the help and love of Christians. A madness. |
i am sure that certain m.p. would class jesus as a communist snow flake if he was alive today. |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Well, we can but hope on 15:53 - Apr 25 with 2510 views | giant_stow |
| Well, we can but hope on 15:44 - Apr 25 by jaykay |
i am sure that certain m.p. would class jesus as a communist snow flake if he was alive today. |
I've heard it said that Jesus was the first communist. |  |
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| Well, we can but hope on 16:53 - Apr 25 with 2426 views | blueasfook |
| Well, we can but hope on 15:26 - Apr 25 by Ryorry |
If you re-read my OP, you'll see I said "we can but hope". |
The 1922 committee is the only hope of getting him out. | |
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| Well, we can but hope on 19:13 - Apr 25 with 2366 views | GeoffSentence |
I am ambivalent about this. On the one hand I'd love the useless clown to go seeings as he is making such a monumental cock up of everything, is basically corrupt and utterly dishonest.
But if he stays, that is pretty much the Tories beaten at the next general election. If he goes they might get someone competent in, giving them a chance of winning again next time round making the pain of Tory rule, though less acute, more chronic. |  |
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| Well, we can but hope on 20:11 - Apr 25 with 2278 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Well, we can but hope on 15:44 - Apr 25 by jaykay |
i am sure that certain m.p. would class jesus as a communist snow flake if he was alive today. |
I am also fairly confident that Jesus would have similar things to say about that individual as he said about the Pharisees. |  |
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| Well, we can but hope on 20:17 - Apr 25 with 2261 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
Which do we expect to happen first? The next General Election or the publication of the Sue Gray Report? | |
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| Well, we can but hope on 20:36 - Apr 25 with 2234 views | Plums |
| Well, we can but hope on 14:49 - Apr 25 by STYG |
I'm not religious. I have known several very religious people / families who have believed in God / Jesus, gone to Church, abided by the Bible and I completely respect that, their beliefs and good on them.
However, there is something deeply concerning about people that claim to be devout religious folk who then act in the completely opposite manner in which their teachings and holy books / scriptures are telling them to. Incredibly hypocritical and selective to just pick which bits they feel like. You either believe in it or not surely.
One particular current politician tweets about the Lord Jesus Christ and clearly worships him but could not be more appalling to the very people Jesus is suggesting needs the help and love of Christians. A madness. |
The same can be said for those who wrap themselves in the national flag whilst tearing apart the fabric of the nation they profess to love. Absolute hypocritical, corrupt criminals hiding in plain sight.
It’s no coincidence that the people you’re describing and those I am are the same. [Post edited 25 Apr 2022 20:37]
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| Well, can but hope on 20:44 - Apr 25 with 2212 views | tractordownsouth |
| Well, can but hope on 15:25 - Apr 25 by STYG |
'A majority of Tory members were supporting Le Pen yesterday'
Colour me surprised. I don't think I could dislike them more if they changed to yellow and green. |
And presumably it wasn't the interventionist economics that attracted them to Le Pen. | |
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| Well, we can but hope on 11:44 - Apr 26 with 2062 views | Ryorry |
| Well, we can but hope on 19:13 - Apr 25 by GeoffSentence |
I am ambivalent about this. On the one hand I'd love the useless clown to go seeings as he is making such a monumental cock up of everything, is basically corrupt and utterly dishonest.
But if he stays, that is pretty much the Tories beaten at the next general election. If he goes they might get someone competent in, giving them a chance of winning again next time round making the pain of Tory rule, though less acute, more chronic. |
Had similar thoughts, but on the other hand I think Marchy's point re some people inexplicably finding him "endearing" would probably outweigh yours.
I'll always wonder whether if Johnson & Trump had both had mousey or grey hair, or been bald, they'd have been elected? Or imagine if both had looked like Gove - would they have appealed to electorates like they did/do? Somehow I don't think so! | |
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| Well, we can but hope on 12:56 - Apr 26 with 2014 views | HARRY10 |
I would suggest that the new PM will come from the more moderate wing of the Tory Party.
Someone who will increase the bridges being built with the EU, and stop the idiotic 'parrot sketch' of stupidity regarding brexit by the likes of the stick insect.
The menagerie of freaks and third raters will be swept away, as the new PM will seek to present a credible vision for the country. Not the knee jerk response of the current lot. One where their incompetence is almost daily highlighted by U-turns, and we have the Prime Minster of the country asking voters if they have any suggestions as to how to deal with the cost of living rise. Which smacks of the stick insects job, tracking down the dodos still in existence.
However, the fear is that such is the mess the current lot has made of things that while external problems are such as they are, anyone coming in will not be able to do much but be the 'aunt sally' for all the flack that's bound to come.
Wait until Chinas recent covid shutdown hits production, and that feeds through to the UK. Much as the shortage of seasonal workers will hit food production, and the hospitality industry. It might also be worth noting the reduction in good production (crops/livestock) planned by farmers, which will take a while to impact.
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