| Less points and lower finish than last season 17:19 - Apr 26 with 4195 views | Vic |
Did any of us (apart from elephant and Frimley) expect us to finish worse than last season?
I do believe we're in a better position than this time last season. I really didn't like the way Cook ripped the old squad apart, but had to concede that the squad he and MA put together was better. So to finish where we have is underwhelming in the extreme.
Frimmers took a pelting for his provocative post but I do think several of us played the man the and not the ball! MA is safe, but given the investment if KM doesn't get us into a really strong position next year then he will surely have some explaining to do. I think the owners really wanted to go up this year, but I think they always knew it might not happen. I do think they'll be expecting promotion next year. Whether KM will remain if we don' time and circumstances will tell.
Personally I'm pretty confident that we'll balance the squad, get someone who can score a do a lot better. I'm disappointed, but have lot's of hope |  |
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| Less points and lower finish than last season on 22:17 - Apr 26 with 1167 views | have_a_word_with_him |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 17:31 - Apr 26 by FrimleyBlue |
I never expected us to finish lower than last season.
I thought PC would have us promoted by March.
I'd say we are 50% better going into the summer than we were last season. There's still quite a bit of trading to do to make us actual promotion material imo.
Ashton. I'm not sure he would be without worry. He afterall hired the manager. Put together the recruitment team. Etc if we fail he's in charge of the failure. [Post edited 26 Apr 2022 17:33]
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Didn't MA have to make the tough choice to bin Cook at expense and early in his tenure, and would have had to convince the american owners of that decision, which plenty on here were lauding? |  | | |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 22:31 - Apr 26 with 1136 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 22:17 - Apr 26 by have_a_word_with_him |
Didn't MA have to make the tough choice to bin Cook at expense and early in his tenure, and would have had to convince the american owners of that decision, which plenty on here were lauding? |
Depends how you see it. Did he fix a problem he caused by allowing PC to start the season in the first place? |  |
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| Less points and lower finish than last season on 22:43 - Apr 26 with 1117 views | have_a_word_with_him |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 22:31 - Apr 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Depends how you see it. Did he fix a problem he caused by allowing PC to start the season in the first place? |
He didn't appoint Cook, Evans did | | | |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 22:51 - Apr 26 with 1105 views | Churchman |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 22:31 - Apr 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Depends how you see it. Did he fix a problem he caused by allowing PC to start the season in the first place? |
PC had been in the job 3 months. MA started 1st June. So you reckon he should have fired PC 9am 1st of June and recruited a manager who possibly knew nothing about whatever players were left, do a pre-season and a build a team all by the start of the season and promotion would have been ours. I disagree.
The problem was caused by dementor Evans replacing numbnuts Lambert when he did and the timing of the takeover that followed. If as wkj has suggested, if GC had sacked PC the day they took over, that might have given us the chance to find a manager that was a better fit and could actually build a team.
If you want to find somebody to blame, maybe that sits with the Chairman. Accountability for KMs performance will now sit with MA.
What’s done is done. Time to move forward. The future is bright. |  | | |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 22:56 - Apr 26 with 1091 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 22:43 - Apr 26 by have_a_word_with_him |
He didn't appoint Cook, Evans did |
Yes I know. We aren't talking about who hired cook.
Ashton was here in time for the summer and oversaw the mass demolition of the squad alongside PC.
There are 2 ways to seeing things.
He rightly gave PC the support needed at the time and went into the season with a squad the 2 put together. And he took a brave decision to make a change 20 games into a season
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After Pcs run as manager last season, Ashton shouldn't have caved into a 19 man demolition job and let PC go at the end of the season.
Reason for saying the above is to see both sides of that argument. So for all the bravery he may have had in getting rid of PC after 20 games.. he COULD have just been accepting a mistake he made and had to rectify it. | |
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| Less points and lower finish than last season on 23:01 - Apr 26 with 1089 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 22:51 - Apr 26 by Churchman |
PC had been in the job 3 months. MA started 1st June. So you reckon he should have fired PC 9am 1st of June and recruited a manager who possibly knew nothing about whatever players were left, do a pre-season and a build a team all by the start of the season and promotion would have been ours. I disagree.
The problem was caused by dementor Evans replacing numbnuts Lambert when he did and the timing of the takeover that followed. If as wkj has suggested, if GC had sacked PC the day they took over, that might have given us the chance to find a manager that was a better fit and could actually build a team.
If you want to find somebody to blame, maybe that sits with the Chairman. Accountability for KMs performance will now sit with MA.
What’s done is done. Time to move forward. The future is bright. |
No, I'm not saying its the case, as you know I felt PC was the right man at the time and still thought he would get us promoted.
The reason I brought it up is there have been plenty who felt PC should have gone at the end of the season. So thought it was fair to add that opinion into the mix | |
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| Less points and lower finish than last season on 04:02 - Apr 27 with 1039 views | BigCommon |
Glass half empty???..... I'd say we are roughly the same give or take. But the club have put us in a much stronger position to kick on next season... We are miles ahead of this time last year.... |  | | |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 06:45 - Apr 27 with 995 views | ibbleobble |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 04:02 - Apr 27 by BigCommon |
Glass half empty???..... I'd say we are roughly the same give or take. But the club have put us in a much stronger position to kick on next season... We are miles ahead of this time last year.... |
I’m not sure I share this logic that some have. Any sentiment about us being stronger is based on hope, nothing more. Similar frailties exist that have blighted us for a long time ie: costly defensive mistakes, a lack of game management and weak if not impotent in the final third. After finishing lower than last season, how are we stronger? I’d argue, if anything we’re weaker and anything but is optimism. |  | | |
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| Less points and lower finish than last season on 08:15 - Apr 27 with 974 views | patrickswell |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 06:45 - Apr 27 by ibbleobble |
I’m not sure I share this logic that some have. Any sentiment about us being stronger is based on hope, nothing more. Similar frailties exist that have blighted us for a long time ie: costly defensive mistakes, a lack of game management and weak if not impotent in the final third. After finishing lower than last season, how are we stronger? I’d argue, if anything we’re weaker and anything but is optimism. |
Because we have actually seen concrete progress under McKenna, especially on the defensive side of things. Our issue has been lack of clinical finishing when on top in games. That will help us in the summer because we know the specific areas where we need to strengthen the team. |  | | |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 09:13 - Apr 27 with 944 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 06:45 - Apr 27 by ibbleobble |
I’m not sure I share this logic that some have. Any sentiment about us being stronger is based on hope, nothing more. Similar frailties exist that have blighted us for a long time ie: costly defensive mistakes, a lack of game management and weak if not impotent in the final third. After finishing lower than last season, how are we stronger? I’d argue, if anything we’re weaker and anything but is optimism. |
We've conceded 12 goals in 22 games under McKenna so 'costly defensive mistakes' is patently nonsense in the scheme of his time in charge. That's a great base to build on. We need a few tweaks going forwards for sure and a couple of strikers that fit McKenna's style will help.
To say we are weaker than a side that got panned 3-0 by the likes of Wimbledon and Northampton at the back end of last season is folly. | | | |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 08:06 - Apr 28 with 861 views | Veggie |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 19:27 - Apr 26 by Marshalls_Mullet |
Agreed re Ashton.
I also suspect he was strongly behind the Harper and Edwards signings. |
I think they had a lot to do with Mike O’Leary if memory of an interview from the time serves me well. He has links with West Brom. Maybe stick to chairmaning next time MOL.
If only we had a recruitment room. [Post edited 28 Apr 2022 8:07]
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| Less points and lower finish than last season on 08:35 - Apr 28 with 830 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 08:06 - Apr 28 by Veggie |
I think they had a lot to do with Mike O’Leary if memory of an interview from the time serves me well. He has links with West Brom. Maybe stick to chairmaning next time MOL.
If only we had a recruitment room. [Post edited 28 Apr 2022 8:07]
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I'd find it strange if you've written off Edwards, a player that looked breathtakingly good in his first handful of games for us and has been injured virtually the whole time McKenna has been here. | | | |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 17:26 - Apr 28 with 771 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 08:35 - Apr 28 by tractorboy1978 |
I'd find it strange if you've written off Edwards, a player that looked breathtakingly good in his first handful of games for us and has been injured virtually the whole time McKenna has been here. |
Breathtakingly good? Behave. He looked fancy on his debut, skinning a couple of players.. but didn't actually do anything with the ball.
I am hoping tho KM makes something of him as he has the ability clearly,. LWB? It was mentioned before his injury. | |
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| Less points and lower finish than last season on 17:42 - Apr 28 with 765 views | jayessess |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 17:26 - Apr 28 by FrimleyBlue |
Breathtakingly good? Behave. He looked fancy on his debut, skinning a couple of players.. but didn't actually do anything with the ball.
I am hoping tho KM makes something of him as he has the ability clearly,. LWB? It was mentioned before his injury. |
First few appearances were very good, to be fair. He completed 5 dribbles in each of his first two starts, on top of being fouled 3 times in both, which is insane.
Also made 14 shooting opportunities (7 for himself, 7 for others) in his first 294 minutes of football for us. First few games his final ball was OK, his composure not bad, but as he went longer without a goal or assist on the board, it deteriorated. |  |
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| Less points and lower finish than last season on 17:42 - Apr 28 with 765 views | NthQldITFC |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 06:45 - Apr 27 by ibbleobble |
I’m not sure I share this logic that some have. Any sentiment about us being stronger is based on hope, nothing more. Similar frailties exist that have blighted us for a long time ie: costly defensive mistakes, a lack of game management and weak if not impotent in the final third. After finishing lower than last season, how are we stronger? I’d argue, if anything we’re weaker and anything but is optimism. |
Funny how we all see things differently.
Everybody watches the same game.
And yet, the opinions vary so wildly.
That's always confused me.
How can we accept differing opinions?
Each to his own I guess.
Relegation clouds the judgement.
Sends flocks far and wide in search of happiness.
Sometimes we must be stoic.
Happier times are just around the corner.
Other clubs are being relegated after all.
Without so much as a whimper.
Ipswich are on an upward trajectory.
Never doubt promotion next season.
Going past bankrupt neighbours. Ta-ta. |  |
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| Less points and lower finish than last season on 18:10 - Apr 28 with 739 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 17:42 - Apr 28 by jayessess |
First few appearances were very good, to be fair. He completed 5 dribbles in each of his first two starts, on top of being fouled 3 times in both, which is insane.
Also made 14 shooting opportunities (7 for himself, 7 for others) in his first 294 minutes of football for us. First few games his final ball was OK, his composure not bad, but as he went longer without a goal or assist on the board, it deteriorated. |
Tbh we let dobra go on loan who dribbled. Won freekicks etc. There wasn't much between them other than Edwards you could see had a defensive mind about him.. that's the part I think KM will utilise.
It'll be interesting what KM does with Dobs and Edwards. The former still imo shouldn't have been farmed out after a positive pre season. | |
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| Less points and lower finish than last season on 18:28 - Apr 28 with 734 views | jayessess |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 18:10 - Apr 28 by FrimleyBlue |
Tbh we let dobra go on loan who dribbled. Won freekicks etc. There wasn't much between them other than Edwards you could see had a defensive mind about him.. that's the part I think KM will utilise.
It'll be interesting what KM does with Dobs and Edwards. The former still imo shouldn't have been farmed out after a positive pre season. |
Think that's a bit of historical revisionism. Dobra's had some promising games for us, but Edwards was getting raved about because he was 99% the best player on the pitch in most of that early season patch. I don't think Dobra's ever been that for us in a league game.
KM will be interested in Edwards because he's a bit of composure and confidence away from being one of the best wingers in the league, not mainly because he tracks back a bit! | |
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| Less points and lower finish than last season on 18:39 - Apr 28 with 720 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Less points and lower finish than last season on 18:28 - Apr 28 by jayessess |
Think that's a bit of historical revisionism. Dobra's had some promising games for us, but Edwards was getting raved about because he was 99% the best player on the pitch in most of that early season patch. I don't think Dobra's ever been that for us in a league game.
KM will be interested in Edwards because he's a bit of composure and confidence away from being one of the best wingers in the league, not mainly because he tracks back a bit! |
I think it'll be one left to opinions really. People see dribbles and it looks amazing. I just don't think he did anything that dobs didn't do but people saw it as a new signing and compared it to having sears on that side. | |
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