| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 11:09 - Apr 27 with 1645 views | BlueBadger |
I think it means that the government are OFFICIALLY incompetent sociopaths. |  |
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| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 11:19 - Apr 27 with 1606 views | clive_baker |
Who would've thought releasing a fox into a chicken coop wasn't the smartest move.
Absolute fecking morons. |  |
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| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 11:21 - Apr 27 with 1599 views | footers |
| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 11:19 - Apr 27 by clive_baker |
Who would've thought releasing a fox into a chicken coop wasn't the smartest move.
Absolute fecking morons. |
"Former health secretary Jeremy Hunt says report reveals 'no one appeared to consider the clinical risk to care homes'"
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| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 11:38 - Apr 27 with 1551 views | Mookamoo |
When the dust has settled and they look back on this period of history, this is the scandal that they will write about. Forget Partygate and the PPE contracts. I really don't understand why this isn't more in the national conversation. |  | | |
| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 11:40 - Apr 27 with 1539 views | homer_123 |
This would be more of a reason for BJ to go than anything to do with partygate. |  |
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| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 11:47 - Apr 27 with 1520 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
It was a High Court, case, and a ruling was made by the Judges about the lawfulness of an action, that is whether the action was allowable under law. As opposed to a judgement that something is illegal, which means that it is expressly forbidden by a law.
In this case there is no "Discharging of Elderly Persons during a Pandemic Act". So the Health Secretary's decision is weighed up across all laws that detail their responsibilities in decision making, and the rights of those who are effected by them.
And the Judges found that the Health Secretary made a decision that wasn't lawfully in accordance with their responsibilities, because they should have considered the likely outcome of putting infectious people into Care Home environments, and should have been able to demonstrate that this was the best thing to do for Public Health, having been properly assessed.
Basically: shoddy decision making with huge unforseen consequences that should have been blindingly obvious.
But not illegal, because there is not a law governing discharges of patients to care homes in a pandemic that was specifically broken. |  | | |
| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 11:56 - Apr 27 with 1471 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 11:40 - Apr 27 by homer_123 |
This would be more of a reason for BJ to go than anything to do with partygate. |
"should" not "would"
Although repeatedly breaking the Law (if further fines are issued) and lying about it in Parliament are genuinely serious matters and grounds for him to go, in my opinion. | | | |
| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 12:17 - Apr 27 with 1427 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 11:38 - Apr 27 by Mookamoo |
When the dust has settled and they look back on this period of history, this is the scandal that they will write about. Forget Partygate and the PPE contracts. I really don't understand why this isn't more in the national conversation. |
Certainly there should be more made of this. Although it's quite hard to know which of their law breaking/immorality, corruption or crass incompetence is the worse. |  |
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| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 12:47 - Apr 27 with 1366 views | Churchman |
| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 11:38 - Apr 27 by Mookamoo |
When the dust has settled and they look back on this period of history, this is the scandal that they will write about. Forget Partygate and the PPE contracts. I really don't understand why this isn't more in the national conversation. |
I agree with you on this. Anyone who has had a relation who has had to go into a Care Home after being in hospital and sometimes visa versa will know just how fractured the system is. Different budgets, social workers, everything, total disconnect. The obvious problem with this has been there for years, but even now nobody is interested in sorting it out
Anyone who has been in a care home or bothered to find out what they are, in the case of the multi millionaire politicians, knows how vulnerable the residents are. They’re not there because it’s a better alternative to a fly drive holiday. What happened was an absolute disgrace. People directly died because if it. |  | | |
| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 13:09 - Apr 27 with 1326 views | Illinoisblue |
Sounds like it will be unlawful in the style of Hillsborough; nobody in power held accountable. |  |
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| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 15:24 - Apr 27 with 1182 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Johnson was asked about it at the end of PMQ - apparently he and the government didn’t know at the time. I’m pretty sure that the medical profession knew that Covid was pretty lethal to vulnerable old people at the time - so the question for ambulance chasers, or in this case hearse chasers - why did every hospital doctor in the country seemingly ignore their hypocratic oath | |
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| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 15:33 - Apr 27 with 1164 views | Ryorry |
| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 11:47 - Apr 27 by ArnoldMoorhen |
It was a High Court, case, and a ruling was made by the Judges about the lawfulness of an action, that is whether the action was allowable under law. As opposed to a judgement that something is illegal, which means that it is expressly forbidden by a law.
In this case there is no "Discharging of Elderly Persons during a Pandemic Act". So the Health Secretary's decision is weighed up across all laws that detail their responsibilities in decision making, and the rights of those who are effected by them.
And the Judges found that the Health Secretary made a decision that wasn't lawfully in accordance with their responsibilities, because they should have considered the likely outcome of putting infectious people into Care Home environments, and should have been able to demonstrate that this was the best thing to do for Public Health, having been properly assessed.
Basically: shoddy decision making with huge unforseen consequences that should have been blindingly obvious.
But not illegal, because there is not a law governing discharges of patients to care homes in a pandemic that was specifically broken. |
Those of us who've become a lot more cynical by this point of the Johnsonian regime, particularly during the past two years, have the disturbing thought at the back of our minds re a possibly unspoken policy of neglect which would save HMGovt. an awful lot of money ... |  |
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| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 15:39 - Apr 27 with 1164 views | BlueBadger |
| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 15:24 - Apr 27 by ElephantintheRoom |
Johnson was asked about it at the end of PMQ - apparently he and the government didn’t know at the time. I’m pretty sure that the medical profession knew that Covid was pretty lethal to vulnerable old people at the time - so the question for ambulance chasers, or in this case hearse chasers - why did every hospital doctor in the country seemingly ignore their hypocratic oath |
Many did. They were largely overruled by non-clinical managers and politicians.
Additionally, testing was not particularly widely available in March 2020, slow(results would take up to 4 days to come come, compared to the hour or so for a SAMBA now) and were unreliable(a false negative rate of up to 20% wa the common figure bandied about) and made essentially worthless anyway by the time needed to actually produce results.
Plus, we simply didn't know then, as we do now, about the extent of asymptomatic transmission. [Post edited 27 Apr 2022 15:48]
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| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 15:55 - Apr 27 with 1097 views | J2BLUE |
This. Quite a lot of the public ran with the idea that the elderly and vulnerable were expendable as well. |  |
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| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 15:57 - Apr 27 with 1099 views | BlueBadger |
| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 15:55 - Apr 27 by J2BLUE |
This. Quite a lot of the public ran with the idea that the elderly and vulnerable were expendable as well. |
Some of them still are.
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| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 16:01 - Apr 27 with 1088 views | footers |
| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 15:55 - Apr 27 by J2BLUE |
This. Quite a lot of the public ran with the idea that the elderly and vulnerable were expendable as well. |
But they'll all still get Poppy Rage come November despite killing many veterans thanks to their selfishness. Sacrifices, eh?
We will fight them on the beaches... so long as there are deckchairs and I can go home when I like, or something. | |
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| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 16:20 - Apr 27 with 1056 views | BlueBadger |
| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 15:57 - Apr 27 by BlueBadger |
Some of them still are.
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Interesting in the votes for that as well, to see Waveneyblue, wh objects Very Strongly indeed to Mad Harry calling Boris 'fat boy'(or whatever) by is quite cool with, nay actively approves of, the offhand dismissal of thousands of people's potentially preventable deaths.. [Post edited 27 Apr 2022 18:37]
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| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 18:23 - Apr 27 with 939 views | BlueBadger |
| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 11:21 - Apr 27 by footers |
"Former health secretary Jeremy Hunt says report reveals 'no one appeared to consider the clinical risk to care homes'"
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Rhyming-Slang lecturing people on patient safety is some twisted God's idea of a REALLY dark joke. | |
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| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 18:57 - Apr 27 with 895 views | jaykay |
think calis called it on herd immunity from the very start. he was shouted down something about political scoring or something |  |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 19:01 - Apr 27 with 887 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Covid: Discharging hospital patients to care homes 'unlawful' on 18:57 - Apr 27 by jaykay |
think calis called it on herd immunity from the very start. he was shouted down something about political scoring or something |
"Pile the bodies high!" was the quote that Dominic Cummings attributes to Boris in the early stages of the pandemic. | | | |
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