| What is our limitations on signings? 14:42 - May 7 with 1744 views | FrimleyBlue |
Lots of threads recently about who we think we would like as targets. But what do we all think is our limitation on the level of player we can get.
I know we got the likes of Morsy. Walton. Chaplin. But lots can be said about the links to PC and in Waltons case the GK Coach.
Do you think we are relying on the potential pull of Pert who has done the rounds in the UK and abroad?
You'd imagine KMs pull would be those youngsters he once coached, so could be some potential promise there.
We've heard we didn't really have 2 lists of targets depending on league we were in. But do you see us being able to attract top half champ players... or are we looking at bottom end and unknown ( or forgotten) foreign players. |  |
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| What is our limitations on signings? on 15:51 - May 7 with 1623 views | jayessess |
Limit is mainly the salary cap, isn't it? Unless GC20 change policy and decide they want to inject equity/make a donation, our wage bill tops out at £7m or so a year for senior players (or £6.7k a week for 20 players).
Realistically that means that most of the time you can compete with bottom half Championship teams, everyone in L1 and most overseas leagues (other than the elite 5 leagues and some selected big clubs in smaller leagues). |  |
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| What is our limitations on signings? on 15:57 - May 7 with 1608 views | Kieran_Knows |
As I keep saying, people really need to start thinking outside of the box. Ashton has said they’ve already done their homework on the Brexit rules, so can’t see too many issues there.
It will be Championship quality players we go for, whether that’s from this country or abroad. Ashton had a track record of getting players in from France, and I expect that to be a country we look in.
Nic Eliasson from Nimes (Ligue 2 and in financial bother), can see him coming in given he played for Bristol City and covers left side. |  |
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| What is our limitations on signings? on 16:01 - May 7 with 1591 views | SheffordBlue |
KMs' pull isn't just the youngsters he coached. It's also the fact he's regarded as a top coach. Numerous members of our current squad have praised the sessions he runs and the fact that they are developing. That will be known and attractive to some players in other clubs who want to progress . It will also be attractive to higher tier clubs looking at loaning out their players who want them to be developed while they are on loan |  |
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| What is our limitations on signings? on 16:06 - May 7 with 1560 views | rgp1 |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 15:51 - May 7 by jayessess |
Limit is mainly the salary cap, isn't it? Unless GC20 change policy and decide they want to inject equity/make a donation, our wage bill tops out at £7m or so a year for senior players (or £6.7k a week for 20 players).
Realistically that means that most of the time you can compete with bottom half Championship teams, everyone in L1 and most overseas leagues (other than the elite 5 leagues and some selected big clubs in smaller leagues). |
So in theory you can sign mbappe for 200 million but only pay him £500 a week? | | | |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 16:15 - May 7 with 1501 views | xrayspecs |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 16:06 - May 7 by rgp1 |
So in theory you can sign mbappe for 200 million but only pay him £500 a week? |
No the cap covers both transfer fees and salaries | | | |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 16:17 - May 7 with 1498 views | ITFC_Forever |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 15:51 - May 7 by jayessess |
Limit is mainly the salary cap, isn't it? Unless GC20 change policy and decide they want to inject equity/make a donation, our wage bill tops out at £7m or so a year for senior players (or £6.7k a week for 20 players).
Realistically that means that most of the time you can compete with bottom half Championship teams, everyone in L1 and most overseas leagues (other than the elite 5 leagues and some selected big clubs in smaller leagues). |
We’ve also got rid of several high earners from the 2021-22 squad…. |  |
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| What is our limitations on signings? on 16:18 - May 7 with 1495 views | xrayspecs |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 15:51 - May 7 by jayessess |
Limit is mainly the salary cap, isn't it? Unless GC20 change policy and decide they want to inject equity/make a donation, our wage bill tops out at £7m or so a year for senior players (or £6.7k a week for 20 players).
Realistically that means that most of the time you can compete with bottom half Championship teams, everyone in L1 and most overseas leagues (other than the elite 5 leagues and some selected big clubs in smaller leagues). |
GC20 have been injecting equity already, we otherwise could not afford the current squad.
Was told our wage bill is currently £9.5m. | | | |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 16:37 - May 7 with 1409 views | jayessess |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 16:15 - May 7 by xrayspecs |
No the cap covers both transfer fees and salaries |
You sure? Not saying you're wrong but it's down as being salary only in various places. | |
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| What is our limitations on signings? on 16:38 - May 7 with 1405 views | jayessess |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 16:18 - May 7 by xrayspecs |
GC20 have been injecting equity already, we otherwise could not afford the current squad.
Was told our wage bill is currently £9.5m. |
They said they weren't/wouldn't Last Summer. | |
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| What is our limitations on signings? on 16:41 - May 7 with 1392 views | xrayspecs |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 16:38 - May 7 by jayessess |
They said they weren't/wouldn't Last Summer. |
Ashton has since spoken about funding rounds. GC participated but ME did not, which is why his percentage shareholding has fallen. | | | |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 16:56 - May 7 with 1333 views | xrayspecs |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 16:37 - May 7 by jayessess |
You sure? Not saying you're wrong but it's down as being salary only in various places. |
Definitely.
You need to scroll down to the League One section.
The relevant bit is in Appendix A 2.4 (net transfer income) which is included in football fortune income.
1 SCMP Requirement
1.1 All League One Clubs (hereafter Clubs or Club) are required to meet the SCMP Requirement (as defined in Note 1.2) for each Reporting Period (as defined in Note 1.3).
1.2 The SCMP Requirement is a measure whereby a Club’s Player Related Expenditure (as defined in Appendix B) shall not exceed the sum of:
1.2.1 60% of the Club’s Relevant Turnover (as defined in Paragraph 1 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period, plus
1.2.2 100% of the club’s Football Fortune Income (as defined in Paragraph 2 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period.
What this means in practice is that paying fees for players reduces the amount you can spend on salaries.
https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/efl-regulations/appe | | | |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 17:01 - May 7 with 1298 views | jayessess |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 16:56 - May 7 by xrayspecs |
Definitely.
You need to scroll down to the League One section.
The relevant bit is in Appendix A 2.4 (net transfer income) which is included in football fortune income.
1 SCMP Requirement
1.1 All League One Clubs (hereafter Clubs or Club) are required to meet the SCMP Requirement (as defined in Note 1.2) for each Reporting Period (as defined in Note 1.3).
1.2 The SCMP Requirement is a measure whereby a Club’s Player Related Expenditure (as defined in Appendix B) shall not exceed the sum of:
1.2.1 60% of the Club’s Relevant Turnover (as defined in Paragraph 1 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period, plus
1.2.2 100% of the club’s Football Fortune Income (as defined in Paragraph 2 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period.
What this means in practice is that paying fees for players reduces the amount you can spend on salaries.
https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/efl-regulations/appe |
Per your link, this document says that SCMP relates to "Player Related Expenditure" as defined in Appendix B. Appendix B makes no mention of transfer fees, just money paid to the players. | |
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| What is our limitations on signings? on 17:05 - May 7 with 1269 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 15:57 - May 7 by Kieran_Knows |
As I keep saying, people really need to start thinking outside of the box. Ashton has said they’ve already done their homework on the Brexit rules, so can’t see too many issues there.
It will be Championship quality players we go for, whether that’s from this country or abroad. Ashton had a track record of getting players in from France, and I expect that to be a country we look in.
Nic Eliasson from Nimes (Ligue 2 and in financial bother), can see him coming in given he played for Bristol City and covers left side. |
What was the name of the striker at BC who left last season. Def something.... | |
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| What is our limitations on signings? on 17:08 - May 7 with 1248 views | xrayspecs |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 17:01 - May 7 by jayessess |
Per your link, this document says that SCMP relates to "Player Related Expenditure" as defined in Appendix B. Appendix B makes no mention of transfer fees, just money paid to the players. |
APPENDIX A — DEFINITION OF RELEVANT TURNOVER AND FOOTBALL FORTUNE INCOME
2 Football Fortune Income — Definitions
2.4 Net Transfer Income — Include actual cash received in the year from other clubs by way of Compensation Fee, Transfer Fee and / or Loan Fee (in these Notes, “Transfer Fees”), less any actual cash paid to other clubs by way of Transfer Fees. Any advances of Transfer Fees from organisations such as Close Leasing can only be included where the instalments being advanced against fall due within the Reporting Period covered by the relevant SCMP Submission.
Football Fortune Income is part of the SCMP
LEAGUE ONE SALARY COST MANAGEMENT PROTOCOL (SCMP) GUIDANCE NOTES
1 SCMP Requirement
1.1 All League One Clubs (hereafter Clubs or Club) are required to meet the SCMP Requirement (as defined in Note 1.2) for each Reporting Period (as defined in Note 1.3).
1.2 The SCMP Requirement is a measure whereby a Club’s Player Related Expenditure (as defined in Appendix B) shall not exceed the sum of:
1.2.1 60% of the Club’s Relevant Turnover (as defined in Paragraph 1 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period, plus
1.2.2 100% of the club’s Football Fortune Income (as defined in Paragraph 2 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period.
Assume £10m pa income per season, then you can spend £6m (60%) on player wages.
If you also make, say, £1m net transfer profit, then you can spend £6m+£1m=£7m on players. If you spend net £1m on transfers, you can spend £6m-£1m=£5m on player wages.
This is how I have read this. [Post edited 7 May 2022 17:11]
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| What is our limitations on signings? on 17:10 - May 7 with 1219 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 17:08 - May 7 by xrayspecs |
APPENDIX A — DEFINITION OF RELEVANT TURNOVER AND FOOTBALL FORTUNE INCOME
2 Football Fortune Income — Definitions
2.4 Net Transfer Income — Include actual cash received in the year from other clubs by way of Compensation Fee, Transfer Fee and / or Loan Fee (in these Notes, “Transfer Fees”), less any actual cash paid to other clubs by way of Transfer Fees. Any advances of Transfer Fees from organisations such as Close Leasing can only be included where the instalments being advanced against fall due within the Reporting Period covered by the relevant SCMP Submission.
Football Fortune Income is part of the SCMP
LEAGUE ONE SALARY COST MANAGEMENT PROTOCOL (SCMP) GUIDANCE NOTES
1 SCMP Requirement
1.1 All League One Clubs (hereafter Clubs or Club) are required to meet the SCMP Requirement (as defined in Note 1.2) for each Reporting Period (as defined in Note 1.3).
1.2 The SCMP Requirement is a measure whereby a Club’s Player Related Expenditure (as defined in Appendix B) shall not exceed the sum of:
1.2.1 60% of the Club’s Relevant Turnover (as defined in Paragraph 1 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period, plus
1.2.2 100% of the club’s Football Fortune Income (as defined in Paragraph 2 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period.
Assume £10m pa income per season, then you can spend £6m (60%) on player wages.
If you also make, say, £1m net transfer profit, then you can spend £6m+£1m=£7m on players. If you spend net £1m on transfers, you can spend £6m-£1m=£5m on player wages.
This is how I have read this. [Post edited 7 May 2022 17:11]
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It's pretty much 60% of any income can go into the wage budget. So those little fees made in the likes of Drinan help with this little pot.
I suppose like non league tho. There's nothing stopping anyone giving a brown packet to a player. Tbh who would know?? | |
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| What is our limitations on signings? on 17:12 - May 7 with 1195 views | xrayspecs |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 17:10 - May 7 by FrimleyBlue |
It's pretty much 60% of any income can go into the wage budget. So those little fees made in the likes of Drinan help with this little pot.
I suppose like non league tho. There's nothing stopping anyone giving a brown packet to a player. Tbh who would know?? |
I suspect the club operate within the law. | | | |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 17:15 - May 7 with 1171 views | FrimleyBlue |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 17:12 - May 7 by xrayspecs |
I suspect the club operate within the law. |
Oh 100% the books themselves will be spot on. | |
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| What is our limitations on signings? on 17:17 - May 7 with 1164 views | jayessess |
| What is our limitations on signings? on 17:08 - May 7 by xrayspecs |
APPENDIX A — DEFINITION OF RELEVANT TURNOVER AND FOOTBALL FORTUNE INCOME
2 Football Fortune Income — Definitions
2.4 Net Transfer Income — Include actual cash received in the year from other clubs by way of Compensation Fee, Transfer Fee and / or Loan Fee (in these Notes, “Transfer Fees”), less any actual cash paid to other clubs by way of Transfer Fees. Any advances of Transfer Fees from organisations such as Close Leasing can only be included where the instalments being advanced against fall due within the Reporting Period covered by the relevant SCMP Submission.
Football Fortune Income is part of the SCMP
LEAGUE ONE SALARY COST MANAGEMENT PROTOCOL (SCMP) GUIDANCE NOTES
1 SCMP Requirement
1.1 All League One Clubs (hereafter Clubs or Club) are required to meet the SCMP Requirement (as defined in Note 1.2) for each Reporting Period (as defined in Note 1.3).
1.2 The SCMP Requirement is a measure whereby a Club’s Player Related Expenditure (as defined in Appendix B) shall not exceed the sum of:
1.2.1 60% of the Club’s Relevant Turnover (as defined in Paragraph 1 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period, plus
1.2.2 100% of the club’s Football Fortune Income (as defined in Paragraph 2 of Appendix A) for the Reporting Period.
Assume £10m pa income per season, then you can spend £6m (60%) on player wages.
If you also make, say, £1m net transfer profit, then you can spend £6m+£1m=£7m on players. If you spend net £1m on transfers, you can spend £6m-£1m=£5m on player wages.
This is how I have read this. [Post edited 7 May 2022 17:11]
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Oh, I see what you mean now.
("Plus" is a slightly strange way of wording it for something that might be net negative) [Post edited 7 May 2022 17:18]
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| What is our limitations on signings? on 18:27 - May 7 with 981 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Being in hoc to Mr Schwarz is probably the biggest limitation | |
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