| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? 23:14 - May 18 with 14885 views | XYZ |
I know there's many of us (genuine) lefties on here, along with the recent "I vote Labour now despite my shameful tory past" revisionists - is anyone willing to out themselves as an open and proud current tory voter?
The polls say there's at least 30% ... don't be shy.
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| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 13:54 - May 20 with 1666 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 13:39 - May 20 by lizzibee |
It was the package for me and a dislike of Labour. I would have been financially worse off under labour than conservatives. And then there is the Brexit issue |
“I would have been financially worse off under labour than conservatives.”
Again an awful choice here in 2019. The shower in charge now are acutely economically illiterate, and furthermore have made no intervention in order to ease the current pain of rampant inflation.
On the other side you had an un-costed nationalisation plans.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-the-labour-manifesto | | | |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:05 - May 20 with 1640 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 13:39 - May 20 by lizzibee |
It was the package for me and a dislike of Labour. I would have been financially worse off under labour than conservatives. And then there is the Brexit issue |
Fair enough - there's a lot of heavy lifting going on there but that's what we all do to some extent to distil all the issues down to just a few basic bullet points! :-) |  |
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| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:06 - May 20 with 1639 views | mutters |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 11:59 - May 20 by Ewan_Oozami |
In which case, here's a question for you: name the policies in the Conservative Govt's 2019 Manifesto which you thought would benefit you and your family so much that you decided to vote for them.... |
and here we go.....
this is why there can not be any general conversations around politics because people are always trying to score points....
the op asked the question, this user put his head above the parapet and explained why he voted conservative and now you are targetting in on him to justify that. he has answered the question isn't that enough? [Post edited 20 May 2022 14:07]
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| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:07 - May 20 with 1634 views | jeera |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:05 - May 20 by Ewan_Oozami |
Fair enough - there's a lot of heavy lifting going on there but that's what we all do to some extent to distil all the issues down to just a few basic bullet points! :-) |
It's about as vague as you could possibly get if that's what you mean! |  |
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| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:09 - May 20 with 1628 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:07 - May 20 by jeera |
It's about as vague as you could possibly get if that's what you mean! |
Didn't want to upset mutters with my reply ;-) | |
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| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:10 - May 20 with 1622 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:06 - May 20 by mutters |
and here we go.....
this is why there can not be any general conversations around politics because people are always trying to score points....
the op asked the question, this user put his head above the parapet and explained why he voted conservative and now you are targetting in on him to justify that. he has answered the question isn't that enough? [Post edited 20 May 2022 14:07]
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Please see my reply, you may be pleasantly surprised... | |
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| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:20 - May 20 with 1607 views | XYZ |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:06 - May 20 by mutters |
and here we go.....
this is why there can not be any general conversations around politics because people are always trying to score points....
the op asked the question, this user put his head above the parapet and explained why he voted conservative and now you are targetting in on him to justify that. he has answered the question isn't that enough? [Post edited 20 May 2022 14:07]
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Are people really that sensitive?
I'd have thought that encouraging people to set out the reasons for why they voted the way that they did would result in "better" future voting decisions being made.
By "better" I mean "thought through", "considered", etc.
And, no, it's not compulsory to respond and I make no judgement on those who wouldn't want to.
I do respect those few that have poked their heads over the parapet. The (badly worded) OP was a genuine attempt to understand the thought processes of current tory supporters. | | | |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:32 - May 20 with 1570 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:20 - May 20 by XYZ |
Are people really that sensitive?
I'd have thought that encouraging people to set out the reasons for why they voted the way that they did would result in "better" future voting decisions being made.
By "better" I mean "thought through", "considered", etc.
And, no, it's not compulsory to respond and I make no judgement on those who wouldn't want to.
I do respect those few that have poked their heads over the parapet. The (badly worded) OP was a genuine attempt to understand the thought processes of current tory supporters. |
‘along with the recent "I vote Labour now despite my shameful tory past" revisionists’ was definitely a sign that you wanted to open up a mutually respectful debate in an attempt to understand peoples voting habits.
Chinny! |  |
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| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:42 - May 20 with 1557 views | XYZ |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:32 - May 20 by GlasgowBlue |
‘along with the recent "I vote Labour now despite my shameful tory past" revisionists’ was definitely a sign that you wanted to open up a mutually respectful debate in an attempt to understand peoples voting habits.
Chinny! |
Have I responded to anyone disrespectfully on this thread? I've had a couple of genuine responses for which I was grateful.
I acknowledged the poor wording of the OP several pages ago.
What's this contribution designed to achieve? (Rhetorical Q - I know your game.) | | | |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:49 - May 20 with 1545 views | lizzibee |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 13:54 - May 20 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
“I would have been financially worse off under labour than conservatives.”
Again an awful choice here in 2019. The shower in charge now are acutely economically illiterate, and furthermore have made no intervention in order to ease the current pain of rampant inflation.
On the other side you had an un-costed nationalisation plans.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-the-labour-manifesto |
Important to note that the politicians front up massive departments who do most of the work behind the scenes. Labour proposed tax rises for those higher earners, of which I am pne and personally didn’t want to may more tax. Yes it makes me selfish but most of us are really aren’t we. And I supported brexit. | | | |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:54 - May 20 with 1535 views | footers |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:49 - May 20 by lizzibee |
Important to note that the politicians front up massive departments who do most of the work behind the scenes. Labour proposed tax rises for those higher earners, of which I am pne and personally didn’t want to may more tax. Yes it makes me selfish but most of us are really aren’t we. And I supported brexit. |
When do you think we can expect the Brexit dividend? Millions of folk could use it right now. |  |
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| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 15:29 - May 20 with 1506 views | lizzibee |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:54 - May 20 by footers |
When do you think we can expect the Brexit dividend? Millions of folk could use it right now. |
I think in fairness it will take some time, years probably but it was always a long term plan not immediate return. Other countries have done well not being part of the EU and controlled by EU policy and politics and I am sure we can be in the same position. But I fully appreciate and respect the views of remainers also and mindful that whsilt some perceive benefits and improvements there will be some in the opposite position. No decision was ever going to make everyone happy although those who didn't vote have limited option to moan now | | | |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 15:59 - May 20 with 1455 views | mutters |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:09 - May 20 by Ewan_Oozami |
Didn't want to upset mutters with my reply ;-) |
You're too kind | |
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| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 16:04 - May 20 with 1443 views | mutters |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:54 - May 20 by footers |
When do you think we can expect the Brexit dividend? Millions of folk could use it right now. |
Probably just after we've repaid the borrowing to cover the COVID spend?
Who the fook knows, there are lies at every turn. | |
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| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 16:05 - May 20 with 1443 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 14:49 - May 20 by lizzibee |
Important to note that the politicians front up massive departments who do most of the work behind the scenes. Labour proposed tax rises for those higher earners, of which I am pne and personally didn’t want to may more tax. Yes it makes me selfish but most of us are really aren’t we. And I supported brexit. |
I can't say I agree with the statement that most of us are selfish. Quite the opposite - most be I know are very generous with their support and help for others. Take this place any time anyone is fundraising for example - normally we contribute £hundreds for worthy causes.
I'd be quite happy to pay more tax for improved public services too. But the opposite is happening. The tax burden is at record modern day levels under the Tories and services outcomes are only getting worse. My tax bill grew by another £50 last month because of the NIC changes. They'll tell people they are the party of low tax, but they're anything but.
Brexit will never lead to a better UK position than under membership as long as Europe remains a superpower, our nearest trading block and we remain a 3rd country. The loss of rights will never be replaced either unless we align more closely again. They aren't things that time will change. But it is what it is (I just wish people would realise it and acknowledge it). |  |
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| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 16:11 - May 20 with 1428 views | STYG |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 16:05 - May 20 by Swansea_Blue |
I can't say I agree with the statement that most of us are selfish. Quite the opposite - most be I know are very generous with their support and help for others. Take this place any time anyone is fundraising for example - normally we contribute £hundreds for worthy causes.
I'd be quite happy to pay more tax for improved public services too. But the opposite is happening. The tax burden is at record modern day levels under the Tories and services outcomes are only getting worse. My tax bill grew by another £50 last month because of the NIC changes. They'll tell people they are the party of low tax, but they're anything but.
Brexit will never lead to a better UK position than under membership as long as Europe remains a superpower, our nearest trading block and we remain a 3rd country. The loss of rights will never be replaced either unless we align more closely again. They aren't things that time will change. But it is what it is (I just wish people would realise it and acknowledge it). |
Exactly this. Of course we all want to do nicely but I do believe in more good people than bad.
I'd say that 80% of my friends and family wouldn't want to be £50 better off a month if they knew it would come directly from another person struggling somewhere. No doubt the higher that figure went up, the more people would be tempted, but most of the people I know are decent and want to do well, but also don't want to feel guilty about other people suffering at the same time, if that's what it would effectively mean.
I'd happily pay a bit more tax if I knew it would genuinely go to help people in need. As I have no confidence it would and it would just end up in some Tory mates pocket, I would instead pay this money to charity, ensuring it actually gets to help someone. | | | |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 16:11 - May 20 with 1423 views | mutters |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 16:05 - May 20 by Swansea_Blue |
I can't say I agree with the statement that most of us are selfish. Quite the opposite - most be I know are very generous with their support and help for others. Take this place any time anyone is fundraising for example - normally we contribute £hundreds for worthy causes.
I'd be quite happy to pay more tax for improved public services too. But the opposite is happening. The tax burden is at record modern day levels under the Tories and services outcomes are only getting worse. My tax bill grew by another £50 last month because of the NIC changes. They'll tell people they are the party of low tax, but they're anything but.
Brexit will never lead to a better UK position than under membership as long as Europe remains a superpower, our nearest trading block and we remain a 3rd country. The loss of rights will never be replaced either unless we align more closely again. They aren't things that time will change. But it is what it is (I just wish people would realise it and acknowledge it). |
I voted remain for many reasons but I disagree with your statement that we will never be better for it. Time will tell, it may take 20+ years to see it but it could turn out a great decision, especially if the EU implodes. We just don't know at this point. Only history will be able to judge it fully.
Maybe it's the optimist in me, still doesn't mean we should have left but now that we have we've got to make the best of it. | |
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| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 16:20 - May 20 with 1417 views | cressi |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 06:00 - May 19 by Chondzoresk |
Yes, I admitted before on posts like this that I voted conservative. However, times have changed and I will never vote for them again. I was a Labour voter, but couldn’t get my head round Corbyn. |
Trouble is the Tory press
Made Corbyn out to be what he isn't really.
Said no weapons in Iraq turned out to be correct.
Regards Ireland you never get peace till you sit round a table and talk.
And if certain things
We're nationalised ie utilities trains etc would it be a bad thing for the people and not massive profits for individuals. | | | |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 16:27 - May 20 with 1404 views | XYZ |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 16:20 - May 20 by cressi |
Trouble is the Tory press
Made Corbyn out to be what he isn't really.
Said no weapons in Iraq turned out to be correct.
Regards Ireland you never get peace till you sit round a table and talk.
And if certain things
We're nationalised ie utilities trains etc would it be a bad thing for the people and not massive profits for individuals. |
I suspect that much of Labour's 2017 manifesto will be in place by 2030 whichever party is in government ... | | | |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 16:39 - May 20 with 1386 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 16:11 - May 20 by mutters |
I voted remain for many reasons but I disagree with your statement that we will never be better for it. Time will tell, it may take 20+ years to see it but it could turn out a great decision, especially if the EU implodes. We just don't know at this point. Only history will be able to judge it fully.
Maybe it's the optimist in me, still doesn't mean we should have left but now that we have we've got to make the best of it. |
The EU's always going to remain our nearest, largest market however we look at it. That's very significant, especially for goods. Yes there could be something completely unexpected on the horizon, but there's no evidence Brexit will be positive and I'm not aware of any trade experts who think Brexit will be beneficial.
Things can improve compared to now though if we end up with a grown up government who genuinely wants to make the best of it, rather than use it for personal gain. | |
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| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 16:47 - May 20 with 1367 views | jeera |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 16:39 - May 20 by Swansea_Blue |
The EU's always going to remain our nearest, largest market however we look at it. That's very significant, especially for goods. Yes there could be something completely unexpected on the horizon, but there's no evidence Brexit will be positive and I'm not aware of any trade experts who think Brexit will be beneficial.
Things can improve compared to now though if we end up with a grown up government who genuinely wants to make the best of it, rather than use it for personal gain. |
Not to mention if it's going to take 20 years to see the benefits then it's probably not the right decision.
Especially as 20 years is a large damn chunk of the lives of people who are around now.
Imagine if that had been the slogan on the side of the bus:
"Vote Brexit and you might see some benefits from that in 20 years from now.
But no promises" | |
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| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 17:12 - May 20 with 1332 views | mutters |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 16:47 - May 20 by jeera |
Not to mention if it's going to take 20 years to see the benefits then it's probably not the right decision.
Especially as 20 years is a large damn chunk of the lives of people who are around now.
Imagine if that had been the slogan on the side of the bus:
"Vote Brexit and you might see some benefits from that in 20 years from now.
But no promises" |
"Vote Brexit and you might see some benefits from that in 20 years from now.
But no promises"
Well thats a vote winner there | |
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| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 17:42 - May 20 with 1297 views | XYZ |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 16:47 - May 20 by jeera |
Not to mention if it's going to take 20 years to see the benefits then it's probably not the right decision.
Especially as 20 years is a large damn chunk of the lives of people who are around now.
Imagine if that had been the slogan on the side of the bus:
"Vote Brexit and you might see some benefits from that in 20 years from now.
But no promises" |
"Read my lips; various tax and NI increases and the highest tax burden for 40 years"
"Yes, a border down the Irish Sea"
You're onto something here! | | | |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 18:10 - May 20 with 1269 views | jeera |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 17:12 - May 20 by mutters |
"Vote Brexit and you might see some benefits from that in 20 years from now.
But no promises"
Well thats a vote winner there |
Know what?
I might have been tempted just for the honesty! | |
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| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 19:31 - May 20 with 1227 views | Darth_Koont |
| Anyone care to admit voting Conservative in the 2019 GE? on 16:27 - May 20 by XYZ |
I suspect that much of Labour's 2017 manifesto will be in place by 2030 whichever party is in government ... |
I hope so. It’s staring us in the face but everyone’s dancing around it trying to keep the right-wing happy. |  |
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