| If there was a general strike would you support it? 07:26 - May 22 with 6241 views | solomon |
I think I’m at the point where I would. |  | | |  |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 08:13 - May 22 with 2897 views | GlasgowBlue |
What would it achieve other than to harm the economy in a time when we are on the verge of recession and people about to lose their jobs, homes and businesses? |  |
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| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 08:34 - May 22 with 2863 views | BlueNote |
Yes. That's what workers and trade unions should be calling for on the march on 18th June. |  | | |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 08:40 - May 22 with 2839 views | BlueNote |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 08:13 - May 22 by GlasgowBlue |
What would it achieve other than to harm the economy in a time when we are on the verge of recession and people about to lose their jobs, homes and businesses? |
The aim would be to achieve an above inflation pay increase and better terms and conditions. The alternative is to do nothing and let the tories get away with it. | | | |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 08:51 - May 22 with 2795 views | GlasgowBlue |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 08:40 - May 22 by BlueNote |
The aim would be to achieve an above inflation pay increase and better terms and conditions. The alternative is to do nothing and let the tories get away with it. |
A general strike would more like hurt everyone else before it did the government.
You need more targeted action against their donors or the fawning press like the Mail, Telegraph and Sun, who are nothing for that party political broadcasts for the Tories in print form. | |
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| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 08:56 - May 22 with 2787 views | Tonytown |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 08:51 - May 22 by GlasgowBlue |
A general strike would more like hurt everyone else before it did the government.
You need more targeted action against their donors or the fawning press like the Mail, Telegraph and Sun, who are nothing for that party political broadcasts for the Tories in print form. |
Because that wouldn’t work as you well know Tory boy.
It will take years to get people to stop buying those papers and of course if they sell Channel 4 it will be to an alt right outlet reducing further any criticism of this terrible government, who you of course supported with your anti Labour posts. |  | | |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 08:57 - May 22 with 2783 views | J2BLUE |
Big risk. Polls no longer seem a reliable indicator. Really wouldn't surprise me if Bojo won again.
I'd be tempted to leave him and Sunak in for the cost of living crisis and show the people who probably shouldn't be voting Tory why they probably shouldn't be voting Tory.
Edit: Ignore me, I misread it as general election... [Post edited 22 May 2022 9:56]
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| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 08:58 - May 22 with 2783 views | Guthrum |
Even at a time of greater ideological commitment, the 1926 General Strike failed due to insufficient support. That was also a time when there were large blocs of unionised labour in heavy industry and mining. I very much doubt it stands any chance of success now. |  |
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| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 09:00 - May 22 with 2776 views | solomon |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 08:51 - May 22 by GlasgowBlue |
A general strike would more like hurt everyone else before it did the government.
You need more targeted action against their donors or the fawning press like the Mail, Telegraph and Sun, who are nothing for that party political broadcasts for the Tories in print form. |
Trouble is GB ,Johnson and his mob are looking to stop all of us in stopping him. For the first time in my adult life the likes of Patel and others genuinely scare the life out of me, I’m fearful of the society they want to see and how we all fit into it. We may have to have some pain now in trying to stop these charlatans. I’ve never condoned this type of action before but I’ve never seen this type of government before, my conscience can’t let this happen for future generations to come. | | | |
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| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 09:05 - May 22 with 2747 views | GlasgowBlue |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 09:00 - May 22 by solomon |
Trouble is GB ,Johnson and his mob are looking to stop all of us in stopping him. For the first time in my adult life the likes of Patel and others genuinely scare the life out of me, I’m fearful of the society they want to see and how we all fit into it. We may have to have some pain now in trying to stop these charlatans. I’ve never condoned this type of action before but I’ve never seen this type of government before, my conscience can’t let this happen for future generations to come. |
I don’t disagree with any of that mate. I just don’t see what a general strike would achieve.
It would probably play into the hands of the culture war they are stoking. Especially with the print press on their side.
You’d also need Labour on board, and Starmer has been very reluctant to be seen supporting protests and industrial action. | |
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| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 09:06 - May 22 with 2761 views | solomon |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 08:58 - May 22 by Guthrum |
Even at a time of greater ideological commitment, the 1926 General Strike failed due to insufficient support. That was also a time when there were large blocs of unionised labour in heavy industry and mining. I very much doubt it stands any chance of success now. |
It’s very hard to compare the situation almost a century ago, the world is a very different place today, a younger generation are more socially aware and, I hope, prepared to fight for social justice and a fairer society for all, which is not what our current government stands for. | | | |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 09:09 - May 22 with 2749 views | Guthrum |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 08:40 - May 22 by BlueNote |
The aim would be to achieve an above inflation pay increase and better terms and conditions. The alternative is to do nothing and let the tories get away with it. |
That backfired badly in 1979.
Pushing for ever-larger pay increases is economically dubious - prices generally rise to soak up the extra money, plus shops have to charge extra to cover employee costs. Moreover, the workforce is not negotiating with big industrial businesses or nationalised combines, but a host of smaller private employers.
Even trying to force a General Election is risky. A public reaction against strikes (people don't like being inconvenienced) could lead to a more reactionary government, not a progressive one.
The alternative is to politically mobilise. To build alliances and stop standing upon party tribalism. To actively manipulate the system with tactical voting and candidate swaps. But most of all to come up with a coherent plan for dealing with this situation, not merely promising to do the same job slightly better. Crucially, benefits have to be delivered across the board, not pandering to certain sections of the country or supporter bases. Then all that nailed down with electoral reform. | |
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| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 09:15 - May 22 with 2720 views | Guthrum |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 09:06 - May 22 by solomon |
It’s very hard to compare the situation almost a century ago, the world is a very different place today, a younger generation are more socially aware and, I hope, prepared to fight for social justice and a fairer society for all, which is not what our current government stands for. |
The world is a very different place, but not in a way which, I think, would help a General Strike succeed. Youngsters may be socially aware, but they're not politically organised or committed in the way the socialists of the 1920s were.
Moreover, the young are only part of the workforce. There would also need to be support from middle-aged mortgage payers who bought their homes under and since Thatcher. People who have filled those homes with comfort and entertainment, who go on foreign holidays. Not being able to afford the newest phone isn't the same motivation as scavenging on spoil heaps to gather enough fuel to stop one's children from freezing. | |
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| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 09:51 - May 22 with 2662 views | solomon |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 09:15 - May 22 by Guthrum |
The world is a very different place, but not in a way which, I think, would help a General Strike succeed. Youngsters may be socially aware, but they're not politically organised or committed in the way the socialists of the 1920s were.
Moreover, the young are only part of the workforce. There would also need to be support from middle-aged mortgage payers who bought their homes under and since Thatcher. People who have filled those homes with comfort and entertainment, who go on foreign holidays. Not being able to afford the newest phone isn't the same motivation as scavenging on spoil heaps to gather enough fuel to stop one's children from freezing. |
That’s covers me, I’m in to stop this type of government.
Attitudes are shifting, but with this government we can’t give them an inch as they won’t concede one either, they are the worst of people with the worst intentions. | | | |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 09:56 - May 22 with 2649 views | Guthrum |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 09:51 - May 22 by solomon |
That’s covers me, I’m in to stop this type of government.
Attitudes are shifting, but with this government we can’t give them an inch as they won’t concede one either, they are the worst of people with the worst intentions. |
Absolutely. However, under the current system, it is going to be very difficult to shift them without a General Election and a lot of cooperation between their disparate rivals.
Tho the sheer rate of scandal and prosecution by-elections, if it continues, may whittle the numbers down in less than the 18 months before the next GE is due. | |
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| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 10:00 - May 22 with 2627 views | pointofblue |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 09:09 - May 22 by Guthrum |
That backfired badly in 1979.
Pushing for ever-larger pay increases is economically dubious - prices generally rise to soak up the extra money, plus shops have to charge extra to cover employee costs. Moreover, the workforce is not negotiating with big industrial businesses or nationalised combines, but a host of smaller private employers.
Even trying to force a General Election is risky. A public reaction against strikes (people don't like being inconvenienced) could lead to a more reactionary government, not a progressive one.
The alternative is to politically mobilise. To build alliances and stop standing upon party tribalism. To actively manipulate the system with tactical voting and candidate swaps. But most of all to come up with a coherent plan for dealing with this situation, not merely promising to do the same job slightly better. Crucially, benefits have to be delivered across the board, not pandering to certain sections of the country or supporter bases. Then all that nailed down with electoral reform. |
On your second paragraph, that would be my fear too. Look how Extinction Rebellion's actions have lead to a new bill against protest which hasn't led to much resistance from the general population because the government has said it will stop 'inconvenient' protests like theirs. | |
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| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 10:01 - May 22 with 2620 views | solomon |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 09:56 - May 22 by Guthrum |
Absolutely. However, under the current system, it is going to be very difficult to shift them without a General Election and a lot of cooperation between their disparate rivals.
Tho the sheer rate of scandal and prosecution by-elections, if it continues, may whittle the numbers down in less than the 18 months before the next GE is due. |
Agree, but I feel Johnson is the kind of individual who needs to be really shocked into action, I’d hope as a nation we could give him a reminder of who is really in charge, us. | | | |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 10:02 - May 22 with 2611 views | lowhouseblue |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 09:51 - May 22 by solomon |
That’s covers me, I’m in to stop this type of government.
Attitudes are shifting, but with this government we can’t give them an inch as they won’t concede one either, they are the worst of people with the worst intentions. |
"Attitudes are shifting" but are they though? you need to get well outside your own bubble to assess that. and the more strident one becomes, the more other people politely nod along with you i'm afraid. |  |
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| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 10:03 - May 22 with 2607 views | Radlett_blue |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 08:40 - May 22 by BlueNote |
The aim would be to achieve an above inflation pay increase and better terms and conditions. The alternative is to do nothing and let the tories get away with it. |
And awarding above inflation pay increases would create...higher inflation!
You obviously don't understand economics. |  |
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| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 10:14 - May 22 with 2580 views | Pinewoodblue |
A general strike would be a disaster. It would remind voters of the power the Trades Unions historically have had over the Labour Party. It would destroy the chance of an outright Labour majority come the next election.
The way to control inflation isn’t to demand higher and higher wages, that only fuels even higher inflation. I can remember the times when, in retail, you would get instructions to reprice goods in a regular basis. This meant having to remove old prices, or put stickers over the price prunted on the goods. Books bring a good example of the latter.
Repricing would be easier now just update tills and change shelf prices.
There are key areas that need to be regulated, energy, water , travel not so easy now everything is privatised and far too much of it in foreign hands.
I would also impose a tax on companies buying back shares to hide excess profit. |  |
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| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 10:15 - May 22 with 2574 views | Guthrum |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 10:01 - May 22 by solomon |
Agree, but I feel Johnson is the kind of individual who needs to be really shocked into action, I’d hope as a nation we could give him a reminder of who is really in charge, us. |
Johnson is so comprehensively cushioned by the system, his support in the Commons and his own personality that I think there is very little which could genuinely shock him.
A serious leadership challenge from within the Party, perhaps, tho I expect he thinks he could see that off, too - and he would likely do it by pandering further to hardliners. Even the losses in recent local elections were spun as a success by the Conservatives, because of the odd gain here and there and that Labour (who conducted a far more gloomy post-mortem) did not sweep the board.
In reality, we are only in charge during elections and if there are politicians who care about actual public opinion (as opposed to party apparatchiks and those who assume they will always win whatever). | |
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| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 10:16 - May 22 with 2560 views | Keno |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 10:03 - May 22 by Radlett_blue |
And awarding above inflation pay increases would create...higher inflation!
You obviously don't understand economics. |
and also ignores that fact that many smaller employers are also struggling so a strike forcing higher wages through could force them under, leading to job loses.
A strike, no matter how well meaning, may not help many people |  |
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| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 10:18 - May 22 with 2532 views | lowhouseblue |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 10:14 - May 22 by Pinewoodblue |
A general strike would be a disaster. It would remind voters of the power the Trades Unions historically have had over the Labour Party. It would destroy the chance of an outright Labour majority come the next election.
The way to control inflation isn’t to demand higher and higher wages, that only fuels even higher inflation. I can remember the times when, in retail, you would get instructions to reprice goods in a regular basis. This meant having to remove old prices, or put stickers over the price prunted on the goods. Books bring a good example of the latter.
Repricing would be easier now just update tills and change shelf prices.
There are key areas that need to be regulated, energy, water , travel not so easy now everything is privatised and far too much of it in foreign hands.
I would also impose a tax on companies buying back shares to hide excess profit. |
plus a strike led by the rail unions, unions who do not start with broad public sympathy, in order to increase their wages (not a low paid group) and increase rail fares in the middle of the cost of living crisis ins't going to be the greatest wider rallying call. | |
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| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 10:27 - May 22 with 2496 views | solomon |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 10:16 - May 22 by Keno |
and also ignores that fact that many smaller employers are also struggling so a strike forcing higher wages through could force them under, leading to job loses.
A strike, no matter how well meaning, may not help many people |
Darth nailed it perfectly the other day, it’s not about destroying capitalism it’s about ensuring it’s gains are distributed more fairly for the wider society. This of course goes against every fibre of belief for many traditional conservatives, they can all hear us and our woes, they just don't care. | | | |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 10:30 - May 22 with 2483 views | NthQldITFC |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 09:15 - May 22 by Guthrum |
The world is a very different place, but not in a way which, I think, would help a General Strike succeed. Youngsters may be socially aware, but they're not politically organised or committed in the way the socialists of the 1920s were.
Moreover, the young are only part of the workforce. There would also need to be support from middle-aged mortgage payers who bought their homes under and since Thatcher. People who have filled those homes with comfort and entertainment, who go on foreign holidays. Not being able to afford the newest phone isn't the same motivation as scavenging on spoil heaps to gather enough fuel to stop one's children from freezing. |
My (naive) hope is that the instantaneous availability of information, and the tendency of ideas to exponentially take hold via social media might provide a means for those currently disorganised and uncommitted youngsters to make a significant impact on their own future en masse, and rapidly.
Of course, the availability of disinformation and bad ideas is the flip side of that, but we've got to have a bit of hope and faith. |  |
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| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 10:31 - May 22 with 2480 views | J2BLUE |
| If there was a general strike would you support it? on 10:27 - May 22 by solomon |
Darth nailed it perfectly the other day, it’s not about destroying capitalism it’s about ensuring it’s gains are distributed more fairly for the wider society. This of course goes against every fibre of belief for many traditional conservatives, they can all hear us and our woes, they just don't care. |
Some woman's petition again self service tills has gone viral.
Same sort of thing there. The problem isn't the self service till, the problem is that 100% of the benefits have gone to the employer rather than making us all richer with increased salaries or less time working.
I would love to see a massive backlash against the status quo. [Post edited 22 May 2022 10:50]
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