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He has even refused to acknowledge meeting Virginal Giuffre. Maybe he could start by coming clean about the whole thing instead of pretending he was having a pizza
Not entirely accurate, Here is what Welby actually says:
He stressed that he could not tell people how to respond, saying the “issues of the past in the area of abuse are so intensely personal and private for so many” and “it’s not surprising there’s very deep feelings indeed”.
Asked how the public should respond to Andrew after his appearance at the Duke of Edinburgh’s memorial service in March, Welby, 66, said: “At a big public occasion the Queen is fully entitled to have one of her children supporting her. Secondly, forgiveness really does matter. I think we have become a very, very unforgiving society. There’s a difference between consequences and forgiveness.
In no way is forgiveness meaning that there should be no consequences.
Archbishop of Canterbury wants us to forgive Prince Andrew on 14:24 - Jun 1 by Nthsuffolkblue
Not entirely accurate, Here is what Welby actually says:
He stressed that he could not tell people how to respond, saying the “issues of the past in the area of abuse are so intensely personal and private for so many” and “it’s not surprising there’s very deep feelings indeed”.
Asked how the public should respond to Andrew after his appearance at the Duke of Edinburgh’s memorial service in March, Welby, 66, said: “At a big public occasion the Queen is fully entitled to have one of her children supporting her. Secondly, forgiveness really does matter. I think we have become a very, very unforgiving society. There’s a difference between consequences and forgiveness.
In no way is forgiveness meaning that there should be no consequences.
Forgiveness for what?
Didn't he insist he is not guilty, wasn't there, never met her and gave her £12m out of the kindness of his pure heart?
Ah yes the forgiveness is for giving a load of cash to an American woman... Didn't someone else do that...?
Archbishop of Canterbury wants us to forgive Prince Andrew on 14:28 - Jun 1 by Pendejo
Forgiveness for what?
Didn't he insist he is not guilty, wasn't there, never met her and gave her £12m out of the kindness of his pure heart?
Ah yes the forgiveness is for giving a load of cash to an American woman... Didn't someone else do that...?
Isn't the forgiveness quote a general quote about our attitude as a society? He states the Queen should be allowed to have her son with her at the function and we, as a society, are becoming very judgmental and unforgiving.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding and Welby is somehow saying that Prince Andrew is guilty of some crime he has not been convicted of and we should therefore forgive him for it. However, that isn't how I read his comments.
I get the distrust of Prince Andrew, but I don't see this as Welby saying he should be forgiven for any specific crime.
Archbishop of Canterbury wants us to forgive Prince Andrew on 14:24 - Jun 1 by Nthsuffolkblue
Not entirely accurate, Here is what Welby actually says:
He stressed that he could not tell people how to respond, saying the “issues of the past in the area of abuse are so intensely personal and private for so many” and “it’s not surprising there’s very deep feelings indeed”.
Asked how the public should respond to Andrew after his appearance at the Duke of Edinburgh’s memorial service in March, Welby, 66, said: “At a big public occasion the Queen is fully entitled to have one of her children supporting her. Secondly, forgiveness really does matter. I think we have become a very, very unforgiving society. There’s a difference between consequences and forgiveness.
In no way is forgiveness meaning that there should be no consequences.
He also said, in the same interview:
With Prince Andrew, I think we all have to step back a bit. He's seeking to make amends.
In the broader context of the interview, it doesn't send a particularly good message. Doubly so when a big chunk of the Christian message of forgiveness centres around repentance. Nothing in the actions to date of the (alleged) Sweaty Nonce suggest any degree of contrition, repentance, or desire to make amends.
Then there's also the fact that he's very keen to be telling us to forgive Prince Andrew, yet far less keen to discuss the impact of Government policy upon the poorest and most vulnerable in society.
Archbishop of Canterbury wants us to forgive Prince Andrew on 14:24 - Jun 1 by Nthsuffolkblue
Not entirely accurate, Here is what Welby actually says:
He stressed that he could not tell people how to respond, saying the “issues of the past in the area of abuse are so intensely personal and private for so many” and “it’s not surprising there’s very deep feelings indeed”.
Asked how the public should respond to Andrew after his appearance at the Duke of Edinburgh’s memorial service in March, Welby, 66, said: “At a big public occasion the Queen is fully entitled to have one of her children supporting her. Secondly, forgiveness really does matter. I think we have become a very, very unforgiving society. There’s a difference between consequences and forgiveness.
In no way is forgiveness meaning that there should be no consequences.
Seems to me that it is for a victim to forgive. No one else is really entitled.
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Archbishop of Canterbury wants us to forgive Prince Andrew on 17:30 - Jun 1 with 1346 views
Archbishop of Canterbury wants us to forgive Prince Andrew on 14:23 - Jun 1 by XYZ
"Virginal Giuffre"?
Top timing from the Oilman. Is he a secret republican?
Is the nonce getting a public outing this weekend?
I think it'd be a rare very bad misjudgement by the Queen if he were to appear as part of the weekend's jollys.
It's one thing to attend his father's funeral; completely different kettle of fish to go out to what's supposed to be a public celebration of Her Maj's 70 yrs on the throne. Most of the public have made up their minds that he is guilty, on the basis of some very strong evidence (in the BBC docu series on Maxwell); and why risk bringing down a whole heap of opprobrium on herself when it's supposed to be a happy occasion? Could well wreck the party for her.
Archbishop of Canterbury wants us to forgive Prince Andrew on 17:30 - Jun 1 by Ryorry
I think it'd be a rare very bad misjudgement by the Queen if he were to appear as part of the weekend's jollys.
It's one thing to attend his father's funeral; completely different kettle of fish to go out to what's supposed to be a public celebration of Her Maj's 70 yrs on the throne. Most of the public have made up their minds that he is guilty, on the basis of some very strong evidence (in the BBC docu series on Maxwell); and why risk bringing down a whole heap of opprobrium on herself when it's supposed to be a happy occasion? Could well wreck the party for her.
I note that the balcony has been restricted to 'working' Royals, which would prevent Andrew and the Sussexes from attending.
I wouldn't be at all surprised, however, if he tries to engineer some sort of lower key involvement, whatever form that may take.
Archbishop of Canterbury wants us to forgive Prince Andrew on 14:34 - Jun 1 by Nthsuffolkblue
Isn't the forgiveness quote a general quote about our attitude as a society? He states the Queen should be allowed to have her son with her at the function and we, as a society, are becoming very judgmental and unforgiving.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding and Welby is somehow saying that Prince Andrew is guilty of some crime he has not been convicted of and we should therefore forgive him for it. However, that isn't how I read his comments.
I get the distrust of Prince Andrew, but I don't see this as Welby saying he should be forgiven for any specific crime.
Precisely.
And what would you expect a modern-day Christian leader to say?
Archbishop of Canterbury wants us to forgive Prince Andrew on 14:24 - Jun 1 by Nthsuffolkblue
Not entirely accurate, Here is what Welby actually says:
He stressed that he could not tell people how to respond, saying the “issues of the past in the area of abuse are so intensely personal and private for so many” and “it’s not surprising there’s very deep feelings indeed”.
Asked how the public should respond to Andrew after his appearance at the Duke of Edinburgh’s memorial service in March, Welby, 66, said: “At a big public occasion the Queen is fully entitled to have one of her children supporting her. Secondly, forgiveness really does matter. I think we have become a very, very unforgiving society. There’s a difference between consequences and forgiveness.
In no way is forgiveness meaning that there should be no consequences.
That’s a fair point at the end. But where do we stand when there are no consequences because mummy paid off the victim?
We do need as a society, to come up with some way of rehabilitating forgiving and rehabilitating people.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
Archbishop of Canterbury wants us to forgive Prince Andrew on 19:09 - Jun 1 by chicoazul
We do need as a society, to come up with some way of rehabilitating forgiving and rehabilitating people.
I'd normally agree, but it's a bit hard to do when the person concerned here hasn't admitted any responsibility, nor shown much (if any) sympathy for the victims.
Archbishop of Canterbury wants us to forgive Prince Andrew on 14:24 - Jun 1 by Nthsuffolkblue
Not entirely accurate, Here is what Welby actually says:
He stressed that he could not tell people how to respond, saying the “issues of the past in the area of abuse are so intensely personal and private for so many” and “it’s not surprising there’s very deep feelings indeed”.
Asked how the public should respond to Andrew after his appearance at the Duke of Edinburgh’s memorial service in March, Welby, 66, said: “At a big public occasion the Queen is fully entitled to have one of her children supporting her. Secondly, forgiveness really does matter. I think we have become a very, very unforgiving society. There’s a difference between consequences and forgiveness.
In no way is forgiveness meaning that there should be no consequences.
“At a big public occasion the Queen is fully entitled to have one of her children supporting her."
Excellent point. I think we should let all sex offenders and traffickers free so the can meet their mum's entitlement to support.
*Note, I know these aren't your views, but not sure where is better to put this.
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Archbishop of Canterbury wants us to forgive Prince Andrew on 14:24 - Jun 1 by Nthsuffolkblue
Not entirely accurate, Here is what Welby actually says:
He stressed that he could not tell people how to respond, saying the “issues of the past in the area of abuse are so intensely personal and private for so many” and “it’s not surprising there’s very deep feelings indeed”.
Asked how the public should respond to Andrew after his appearance at the Duke of Edinburgh’s memorial service in March, Welby, 66, said: “At a big public occasion the Queen is fully entitled to have one of her children supporting her. Secondly, forgiveness really does matter. I think we have become a very, very unforgiving society. There’s a difference between consequences and forgiveness.
In no way is forgiveness meaning that there should be no consequences.
He seems to have forgotten that she has 3 other children she could have called on.
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