| Appalling on 09:59 - Jun 5 with 3560 views | Pendejo |
Context?
As we only have this footage there is none.
1. He's an innocent jogger Met have gone OTT on him
2. He's a violent serial rapist who'd rather take his chances in the Thames than be arrested
Multiple other scenarios, I hope it's justified taser... But given Met rep.. [Post edited 5 Jun 2022 10:12]
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| Appalling on 10:03 - Jun 5 with 3531 views | ZXBlue |
| Appalling on 09:59 - Jun 5 by Pendejo |
Context?
As we only have this footage there is none.
1. He's an innocent jogger Met have gone OTT on him
2. He's a violent serial rapist who'd rather take his chances in the Thames than be arrested
Multiple other scenarios, I hope it's justified taser... But given Met rep.. [Post edited 5 Jun 2022 10:12]
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Appears to have a knife in one hand. And we have no idea, as you say, what the context was. May have a record of violence against officers, may have just committed a violent offence etc. Who knows? |  | | |
| Appalling on 10:24 - Jun 5 with 3457 views | BlueNomad |
You do see him holding something thin in his right hand and then after he falls it is in the road being kicked away by an officer. You see what you want to see in order to make the case you want.
Perhaps evidence is better than supposition, unless of course you have seen body cam footage and an empty evidence bag? [Post edited 5 Jun 2022 10:30]
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| Appalling on 10:33 - Jun 5 with 3406 views | BloomBlue |
Looks like he's carrying a knife or some object all he had to do was drop it.
But until we know the full story it's hard to judge. |  | | |
| Appalling on 10:34 - Jun 5 with 3402 views | Wicksy |
| Appalling on 10:24 - Jun 5 by BlueNomad |
You do see him holding something thin in his right hand and then after he falls it is in the road being kicked away by an officer. You see what you want to see in order to make the case you want.
Perhaps evidence is better than supposition, unless of course you have seen body cam footage and an empty evidence bag? [Post edited 5 Jun 2022 10:30]
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Can't see how 3 tasers were necessary. Could've just sat on him after 1 surely? |  |
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| Appalling on 10:37 - Jun 5 with 3377 views | ZXBlue |
| Appalling on 10:34 - Jun 5 by Wicksy |
Can't see how 3 tasers were necessary. Could've just sat on him after 1 surely? |
Apart from the fact he got up and was still up for the fight? And may have had other weapons?
People seem to expect police to ignore danger to themselves and act like perfect robots. | | | |
| Appalling on 10:40 - Jun 5 with 3367 views | BloomBlue |
| Appalling on 10:34 - Jun 5 by Wicksy |
Can't see how 3 tasers were necessary. Could've just sat on him after 1 surely? |
If he's carrying a knife how do they know he's not carrying another one, if they sit on him he could stab them.
All he had to do was drop it, go down on his knees and hold his hand but from that clip he was refusing to drop it.
Need more evidence but just based on that clip that individual is totally at fault and the police have done nothing wrong, just protecting the public. | | | |
| Appalling on 11:06 - Jun 5 with 3248 views | BlueNomad |
| Appalling on 10:34 - Jun 5 by Wicksy |
Can't see how 3 tasers were necessary. Could've just sat on him after 1 surely? |
You really understand real life situations don’t you! | | | |
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| Appalling on 11:25 - Jun 5 with 3195 views | ronnyd |
There were also reports that it was a screwdriver he was brandishing and also abusing passers by. Perhaps he was a miserable council worker doing preventative maintenance on the bridge.  | | | |
| Appalling on 11:54 - Jun 5 with 3101 views | NeedhamChris |
You're playing the man not the ball here. There are no end of legitimate reasons to criticise them but based on the evidence at this point this isn't yet one of them | |
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| Appalling on 13:17 - Jun 5 with 2875 views | Illinoisblue |
| Appalling on 09:59 - Jun 5 by Pendejo |
Context?
As we only have this footage there is none.
1. He's an innocent jogger Met have gone OTT on him
2. He's a violent serial rapist who'd rather take his chances in the Thames than be arrested
Multiple other scenarios, I hope it's justified taser... But given Met rep.. [Post edited 5 Jun 2022 10:12]
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This is the problem with so many videos shared online; the lack of context. It’s a problem. |  |
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| Appalling on 15:34 - Jun 5 with 2626 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Appalling on 10:34 - Jun 5 by Wicksy |
Can't see how 3 tasers were necessary. Could've just sat on him after 1 surely? |
It appears a little this way and I would like to know the logic of each choice to use the Taser. Although there may have been a threat with a knife on the first occasion, was that still so on the second and third? I am sure there will be an investigation especially if the individual has died and I would assume the officers will be suspended pending the result of the investigation.
When will a date be set for the retrial of the girlfriend of the officer who killed Dalian Atkinson? |  |
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| Appalling on 16:20 - Jun 5 with 2543 views | noggin |
Confirmed by the Met. Hopefully any protest will be peaceful. [Post edited 5 Jun 2022 16:23]
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| Appalling on 16:26 - Jun 5 with 2508 views | ZXBlue |
| Appalling on 15:34 - Jun 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
It appears a little this way and I would like to know the logic of each choice to use the Taser. Although there may have been a threat with a knife on the first occasion, was that still so on the second and third? I am sure there will be an investigation especially if the individual has died and I would assume the officers will be suspended pending the result of the investigation.
When will a date be set for the retrial of the girlfriend of the officer who killed Dalian Atkinson? |
How many officers were there? If it is six, then perhaps they could have tackled him safely, though could nto be sure if another weapon was present. If two against a big strong guy... Thye really ought not to be expected to take the risk. | | | |
| Appalling on 16:34 - Jun 5 with 2476 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Appalling on 16:26 - Jun 5 by ZXBlue |
How many officers were there? If it is six, then perhaps they could have tackled him safely, though could nto be sure if another weapon was present. If two against a big strong guy... Thye really ought not to be expected to take the risk. |
The facts that we are aware of are that there were 2 officers and they appear to have physically threatened by a man with a screwdriver.
Whilst they are physically threatened the use of a Taser is within the law.
What seems, on the face of it, is to use the Taser 3 times and when the individual is not posing a threat. If he still has the screwdriver and is attempting to use it as a weapon and the officer who is using the Taser feels that is the only way to prevent him doing so then fair enough and I am sure that is what the investigation will find. However, the issue is whether officers are using Tasers as a weapon to enable them to make an arrest instead of as a means to defend themselves.
In light of the Dalian Atkinson death, Taser use needs to be carefully considered.
What was the risk to the officers (or the public) at the point of the second and third use of the Taser? This is the key question for a proper investigation to determine (and not for us to attempt to answer here). | |
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| Appalling on 16:39 - Jun 5 with 2453 views | ZXBlue |
| Appalling on 16:34 - Jun 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
The facts that we are aware of are that there were 2 officers and they appear to have physically threatened by a man with a screwdriver.
Whilst they are physically threatened the use of a Taser is within the law.
What seems, on the face of it, is to use the Taser 3 times and when the individual is not posing a threat. If he still has the screwdriver and is attempting to use it as a weapon and the officer who is using the Taser feels that is the only way to prevent him doing so then fair enough and I am sure that is what the investigation will find. However, the issue is whether officers are using Tasers as a weapon to enable them to make an arrest instead of as a means to defend themselves.
In light of the Dalian Atkinson death, Taser use needs to be carefully considered.
What was the risk to the officers (or the public) at the point of the second and third use of the Taser? This is the key question for a proper investigation to determine (and not for us to attempt to answer here). |
He was clearly posing a threat. He had one weapon, may have ahd others, he was not giving himself up but ready for more. They approached him and he went for one of them.
We risk making it impossible for officers to do their job without severe risk, if we pull this stuff apart when all appears broadly reasonable. | | | |
| Appalling on 16:45 - Jun 5 with 2427 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Appalling on 16:39 - Jun 5 by ZXBlue |
He was clearly posing a threat. He had one weapon, may have ahd others, he was not giving himself up but ready for more. They approached him and he went for one of them.
We risk making it impossible for officers to do their job without severe risk, if we pull this stuff apart when all appears broadly reasonable. |
As I say, that is for a proper investigation to decide and not for us on here.
I am not as confident as you that it is as clear-cut as you assert but I trust the investigation will be conducted by someone with more knowledge than me. | |
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| Appalling on 16:54 - Jun 5 with 2403 views | Swansea_Blue |
Sh*t's going to hit the fan for that I suspect.
RIP to the fella (whatever the context, it's not particularly pleasant watching his last few minutes). |  |
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| Appalling on 17:40 - Jun 5 with 2274 views | ZXBlue |
| Appalling on 16:45 - Jun 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
As I say, that is for a proper investigation to decide and not for us on here.
I am not as confident as you that it is as clear-cut as you assert but I trust the investigation will be conducted by someone with more knowledge than me. |
I think people need ot put themselves in a police officer's mind and shoes occasionally. We ask them to do a very difficult stressful and dangerous job. Personally, I dont think we should ask them to do it in a way that puts them at any more risk than is absolutely necessary.
Of course, at the heart of this, may well be mental health issues and the core fault lies with government. It is almost impossible to get the help you need until you reach the point of being arrested, hurting someone, or hurting yourself. | | | |
| Appalling on 17:52 - Jun 5 with 2233 views | BiGDonnie |
What's appalling? |  |
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| Appalling on 18:06 - Jun 5 with 2190 views | longtimefan |
| Appalling on 17:40 - Jun 5 by ZXBlue |
I think people need ot put themselves in a police officer's mind and shoes occasionally. We ask them to do a very difficult stressful and dangerous job. Personally, I dont think we should ask them to do it in a way that puts them at any more risk than is absolutely necessary.
Of course, at the heart of this, may well be mental health issues and the core fault lies with government. It is almost impossible to get the help you need until you reach the point of being arrested, hurting someone, or hurting yourself. |
Indeed. As others have said context is everything. Who knows what might have preceded this. I have a relative who was a police dog handler who was called to an incident where someone yielding a knife had already been tasered twice with little effect. Ended up with both the dog and him receiving stab wounds. Fortunately both recovered, though the dog needed life saving surgery. I wouldn’t want to do a policeman’s job even if paid ten times was they get. | | | |
| Appalling on 19:01 - Jun 5 with 2078 views | ZXBlue |
| Appalling on 18:06 - Jun 5 by longtimefan |
Indeed. As others have said context is everything. Who knows what might have preceded this. I have a relative who was a police dog handler who was called to an incident where someone yielding a knife had already been tasered twice with little effect. Ended up with both the dog and him receiving stab wounds. Fortunately both recovered, though the dog needed life saving surgery. I wouldn’t want to do a policeman’s job even if paid ten times was they get. |
Old friend of mine had to deal solo with a knife in his first few months of probation as a policeman. First proper footchase, until the guy turned on him and pulled a knife down on a canal path. You can understand why they do not want to take risks. | | | |
| Appalling on 19:40 - Jun 5 with 1985 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Appalling on 17:52 - Jun 5 by BiGDonnie |
What's appalling? |
Killing someone I’d imagine. | |
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| Appalling on 19:49 - Jun 5 with 1955 views | gtsb1966 |
| Appalling on 19:40 - Jun 5 by Swansea_Blue |
Killing someone I’d imagine. |
The police didn't kill him though. |  | | |
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