| The end of Boris Johnson- what the 148 votes really means... 18:17 - Jun 7 with 688 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
I haven't heard this said by any of the Political Journalists, because they are so busy breathlessly reporting LIVE!!!!!!!!! that they don't have time to stop, think and reflect.
But the fact that around 3/4 of Tory Backbenchers have declared that they have No Confidence in Johnson as PM makes it highly likely that at least 1 of the 4 Tory members of the Standards Committee is included in their number.
Johnson's conduct regarding Partygate, both breaking the Law and misleading Parliament, has been referred to the Committee. They will report to Parliament, and if they find that Johnson has breached the standards expected of a Prime Minister then they can recommend punishment including suspension from the House of Commons for a period of time which would automatically lead him to lose his job as PM (and potentially lead to a recall petition in his constituency).
The Tories have 4 of the 7 votes on the Committee. There has been a fear that they could then squash a recommendation of heavy sanctions.
Crucially, Labour hold the Chair of the Committee, and as the usual Chair, Chris Bryant, has recused himself as he made statements regarding Johnson's fitness for office, it is expected that Harriet Harman will Chair. The Chair writes the main report which the Committee vote on. The 4 Tories could vote it down, or vote to edit it substantially, if they feel it is too critical, but this is what the "148 vote" has changed. They will know that they will have the backing of most of their Backbench colleagues if they decide not to go easy on Johnson.
And when the report goes to Parliament, possibly with recommendations of serious sanctions, assuming that all Opposition MPs (apart from possibly the DUP and UUP, but they aren't happy with him either because of the implementation of Brexit in Northern Ireland) vote to uphold such sanctions, Johnson will need to persuade some of the people who had "No Confidence" in him last night to move fully back into his camp. And it is quite possible that the Committee will publish a LOT more photos, and maybe even find out a little bit more about the ABBA party.
Summary: the chances of Tory members of the Standards Committee voting to sanction Johnson have gone up dramatically, and should that happen there is now the likelihood of enough Tory backbench MPs voting to approve the report and sanctions.
Conclusion: Johnson is fatally wounded and will bleed out agonisingly slowly, having the ignominy of his own equivalent of Impeachment played out in Committee, and he could be punished in such a way that a recall Election in his Constituency becomes an odds-on certainty. |  | | |  |
| The end of Boris Johnson- what the 148 votes really means... on 18:48 - Jun 7 with 610 views | ZXBlue |
One would hope that this makes no difference at all because the committee will base their findings on facts and evidence rather than political bias. | | | |
| The end of Boris Johnson- what the 148 votes really means... on 19:33 - Jun 7 with 560 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Not due to do any work until November are they not? Johnson will be toast after the by elections | |
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| The end of Boris Johnson- what the 148 votes really means... on 19:39 - Jun 7 with 539 views | Keno |
| The end of Boris Johnson- what the 148 votes really means... on 18:48 - Jun 7 by ZXBlue |
One would hope that this makes no difference at all because the committee will base their findings on facts and evidence rather than political bias. |
"One would hope that this makes no difference at all because the committee will base their findings on facts and evidence rather than political bias"
have you been following this Tory party?
Thats like suggesting Norwich play football and could actually win something |  |
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| The end of Boris Johnson- what the 148 votes really means... on 19:42 - Jun 7 with 530 views | eireblue |
Hmmmm…maybe.
All the discourse about Johnson has been framed in terms of what has historically happened with other leaders, who had a. Honour b. Cabinet members with a degree of honour.
Johnson will stay on until he is dragged out of office and essentially sacked by some undisputed mechanism.
Wouldn’t surprise me if he is fighting the next General Election. |  | | |
| The end of Boris Johnson- what the 148 votes really means... on 19:42 - Jun 7 with 529 views | HARRY10 |
I would hope (and expect) that MPs on this, and other committees, act with fairness, and integrity. whatever party they are in, and whatever party the person being investigated is from.
It is not a committee Tory MPs are climbing over each other to be on, in this matter. If the evidence is heard in public as will be the wish, so as to not be tainted by allegations of a cover up, it means a not guilty in spite of the evidence is damning for the MPs integrity, whereas a guilty verdict has you left holding the dagger...... et tu brutus
Of course Tory MPs will not be selected were they are seen to have made comment upon the matter - watch this space.
Assuming it is held in public then the evidence we a;ready know, and any more yet to come out will also be damning. Though the operative word 'advertently' will be the defining point.
The walrus will have to convince not only the committee, but voters watching that having a large number of people consuming booze and food was not a gathering. And if it was, the walrus did not think it fell into the banned category... ie a gathering.
The danger there for the walrus is this will be drawn out over the summer and into the conference season. The committee is yet to be appointed, never mind deciding on the witnesses, and what evidence is to be examined. Maybe Cummings will be happy to give evidence to this committee. If they try to skip him, then I am sure that he will be more than willing to talk to the media.
However, the crucial point is having the committee require the walrus to give evidence on oath. Something select committees have the power to order, but rarely do. It would mean the walrus could fall foul of the Perjury Act (up to 7 years in the jug), were he to treat the committee as another body that he can lie to.
With the fallout from the likely defeats in the upcoming by elections, then followed by this investigation there is little chance of him, or others, being able to snort a line under this matter.
As the stick insect might have "for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap" | | | |
| The end of Boris Johnson- what the 148 votes really means... on 20:21 - Jun 7 with 451 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| The end of Boris Johnson- what the 148 votes really means... on 19:42 - Jun 7 by eireblue |
Hmmmm…maybe.
All the discourse about Johnson has been framed in terms of what has historically happened with other leaders, who had a. Honour b. Cabinet members with a degree of honour.
Johnson will stay on until he is dragged out of office and essentially sacked by some undisputed mechanism.
Wouldn’t surprise me if he is fighting the next General Election. |
That's the point. This is the undisputed mechanism. | | | |
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