| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 20:30 - Jun 11 with 1844 views | gtsb1966 |
Probably means economic immigrants. |  | |  |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 20:34 - Jun 11 with 1811 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 20:30 - Jun 11 by gtsb1966 |
Probably means economic immigrants. |
1 That is not what they have said and not the same meaning at all.
2 Those due to be deported are not economic migrants as well as not being illegal migrants.
Aside from that, you make an interesting point. |  |
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| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 20:35 - Jun 11 with 1800 views | gtsb1966 |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 20:34 - Jun 11 by Nthsuffolkblue |
1 That is not what they have said and not the same meaning at all.
2 Those due to be deported are not economic migrants as well as not being illegal migrants.
Aside from that, you make an interesting point. |
I was just guessing it was lazy journalism. | | | |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 20:38 - Jun 11 with 1786 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 20:35 - Jun 11 by gtsb1966 |
I was just guessing it was lazy journalism. |
It is either lazy journalism or malicious misidentification in order to garner support for the policy.
However, they have not mentioned economic (as bad and misrepresentative as that is), they have chosen the even worse inaccurate term "illegal". | |
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| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 20:44 - Jun 11 with 1776 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
***I AM IN NO WAY SUPPORTING PRITI PATEL OR HER POLICY***
It's technically true, because Patel changed the law to make it a crime to travel into the UK other than by an authorised route. So anybody who comes into the UK on a dinghy from Calais is automatically an "illegal" immigrant.
And then wrote the Rwanda clauses so that those who enter illegally claiming asylum can be deported to Rwanda as a "safe country" for processing.
So those due to be deported to Rwanda are still Asylum Seekers, but can have their Asylum claim processed in Rwanda because they are also, by Patel's new law's definition, also "illegal" immigrants.
It's very clever, but utterly evil, as it means the illegal immigrant bit is established legal fact, the language around refugees is circumnavigated, and many people will hear "illegal immigrants" and think "Good riddance!" |  | | |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 20:50 - Jun 11 with 1749 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 20:44 - Jun 11 by ArnoldMoorhen |
***I AM IN NO WAY SUPPORTING PRITI PATEL OR HER POLICY***
It's technically true, because Patel changed the law to make it a crime to travel into the UK other than by an authorised route. So anybody who comes into the UK on a dinghy from Calais is automatically an "illegal" immigrant.
And then wrote the Rwanda clauses so that those who enter illegally claiming asylum can be deported to Rwanda as a "safe country" for processing.
So those due to be deported to Rwanda are still Asylum Seekers, but can have their Asylum claim processed in Rwanda because they are also, by Patel's new law's definition, also "illegal" immigrants.
It's very clever, but utterly evil, as it means the illegal immigrant bit is established legal fact, the language around refugees is circumnavigated, and many people will hear "illegal immigrants" and think "Good riddance!" |
Thanks for explaining. I don't think it is helpful for the media to play to her audience still.
Did you know the rate of crime amongst illegal immigrants is 100%? We should be terrified of them! I so wish that every voter had the opportunity to meet and get to know a migrant who could explain to them exactly how this policy would have prevented them coming here to live. It probably still wouldn't change many of their minds, though.
EDIT: And, indeed, refugee charities repeatedly say there is no such thing as a legal, safe route despite Tory MPs repeatedly saying that is how asylum seekers should get here. [Post edited 11 Jun 2022 20:52]
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| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:11 - Jun 12 with 1598 views | HARRY10 |
Ha
Only a looney would suggest the huge sums involved would be better spent on increased immigration staff, or point out that before the UK 'took back control' there was a mechanism whereby asylum seekers could be returned from whence they came - the Dublin Accord
A clever ploy that by 'righties'. which is now seeing tens of thousands arriving by boat.
If we are to have immigration then it should be Russians, who make a massive contribution to...........................Johnsons back pocket.
Maybe we could use their planes and houses (confiscated), to help sort this out
Meanwhile, from the folks who brought you the above
"Brexit is “largely to blame” for billions being lost in trade and tax revenues in recent years, according to a new study by top economists. The Centre for European Reform (CEF) said that by the end of last year, Britain’s economy was 5.2 per cent — or £31bn — smaller than it would have been without Brexit and the Covid pandemic."
"Representatives of the Northern Ireland food industry have warned the UK government that scrapping the Northern Ireland Protocol could damage their businesses."
Still it is not all cock up and incompetence as the bloater has come up with
"the suggestion there could be more fish farming, which is environmentally controversial, and an increase in the use of “responsibly sourced wild venison” 
Let the poor eat Venison.....................eat your heart out Marie Antoinette | | | |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:24 - Jun 12 with 1589 views | lowhouseblue |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 20:50 - Jun 11 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Thanks for explaining. I don't think it is helpful for the media to play to her audience still.
Did you know the rate of crime amongst illegal immigrants is 100%? We should be terrified of them! I so wish that every voter had the opportunity to meet and get to know a migrant who could explain to them exactly how this policy would have prevented them coming here to live. It probably still wouldn't change many of their minds, though.
EDIT: And, indeed, refugee charities repeatedly say there is no such thing as a legal, safe route despite Tory MPs repeatedly saying that is how asylum seekers should get here. [Post edited 11 Jun 2022 20:52]
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what's their legal status while they're in france? are they then asylum seekers? |  |
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| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:34 - Jun 12 with 1568 views | XYZ |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:24 - Jun 12 by lowhouseblue |
what's their legal status while they're in france? are they then asylum seekers? |
Are you asking questions you know the answer to?
If so, why?
If you have an opinion/ point to make then why not just put it out there? | | | |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:39 - Jun 12 with 1562 views | lowhouseblue |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:34 - Jun 12 by XYZ |
Are you asking questions you know the answer to?
If so, why?
If you have an opinion/ point to make then why not just put it out there? |
i asked a question. i'm guessing you don't like people asking questions. | |
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| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:43 - Jun 12 with 1542 views | XYZ |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:39 - Jun 12 by lowhouseblue |
i asked a question. i'm guessing you don't like people asking questions. |
You are disingenuous.
Who likes such people? | | | |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:45 - Jun 12 with 1535 views | lowhouseblue |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:43 - Jun 12 by XYZ |
You are disingenuous.
Who likes such people? |
that's lovely. but what's their legal status when they're in france? are they then asylum seekers? | |
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| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:47 - Jun 12 with 1522 views | XYZ |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:45 - Jun 12 by lowhouseblue |
that's lovely. but what's their legal status when they're in france? are they then asylum seekers? |
More questions and no stated opinions.
Oh so dull.
They're legal under international law on arrival in the UK.
75%+ of those claiming asylum in the UK are found to be valid.
Are you just a bit of a racist? | | | |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:51 - Jun 12 with 1507 views | lowhouseblue |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:47 - Jun 12 by XYZ |
More questions and no stated opinions.
Oh so dull.
They're legal under international law on arrival in the UK.
75%+ of those claiming asylum in the UK are found to be valid.
Are you just a bit of a racist? |
no. it's a question about their legal status in france. couldn't be clearer as to what i'm asking.
if we had tens of thousands of people arrive in liverpool would we let them travel across the country and live in kent without determining their immigration status? would you defend the uk adopting such an approach? | |
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| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:51 - Jun 12 with 1505 views | jeera |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:24 - Jun 12 by lowhouseblue |
what's their legal status while they're in france? are they then asylum seekers? |
Surely only if they are claiming asylum there?
I don't know btw. It's just another question.
Someone will know. |  |
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| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 05:53 - Jun 12 with 1370 views | WeWereZombies |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:51 - Jun 12 by lowhouseblue |
no. it's a question about their legal status in france. couldn't be clearer as to what i'm asking.
if we had tens of thousands of people arrive in liverpool would we let them travel across the country and live in kent without determining their immigration status? would you defend the uk adopting such an approach? |
I think that would depend upon whether it was hop picking season or whether the mill owners got to them first:
https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/history/chm/outreach/migration/backgroundreading/ [Post edited 12 Jun 2022 10:34]
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| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 10:03 - Jun 12 with 1217 views | Pinewoodblue |
To be fair the article is about people who have migrated to the UK by illegal methods. However if in arrival they seek asylum their status changes. |  |
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| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 11:29 - Jun 12 with 1143 views | HatStand |
It can't be to bad in Rwanda. Arsenal and PSG are happy to promote it on their sleeves | |
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| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 12:14 - Jun 12 with 1086 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:24 - Jun 12 by lowhouseblue |
what's their legal status while they're in france? are they then asylum seekers? |
You mean France demonise them less than we do. Is that in some way meant to reflect well on us? | |
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| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 12:16 - Jun 12 with 1078 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 10:03 - Jun 12 by Pinewoodblue |
To be fair the article is about people who have migrated to the UK by illegal methods. However if in arrival they seek asylum their status changes. |
With that status change they avoid removal to Rwanda for processing? Or is the article, in that case, wrongly stating that they are illegal? | |
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| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 12:18 - Jun 12 with 1068 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 11:29 - Jun 12 by HatStand |
It can't be to bad in Rwanda. Arsenal and PSG are happy to promote it on their sleeves |
Yes, because no well paid sportspeople would turn a blind eye to human rights abuses in, say Saudi Arabia, for money. But I guess that is the point you intended to make. | |
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| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 01:55 - Jun 13 with 847 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 00:45 - Jun 12 by lowhouseblue |
that's lovely. but what's their legal status when they're in france? are they then asylum seekers? |
Someone is an Asylum Seeker at the point that they seek refuge. Before that, if they have fled from a war zone or personal, religious or racial persecution, they are a refugee.
Happy to help. | | | |
| Why is this article describing those being deported to Rwanda as on 07:53 - Jun 13 with 755 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Probably because they are migrants who entered the UK illegally at a guess.
They can seek asylum once in the system - and have their cases heard. The fact that there is no legal way for these people to migrate to the UK is perhaps the key problem - but answering that costs votes | |
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