| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears 18:15 - Jun 18 with 8766 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
I guess everyone cheering on international restrictions for two years while happily working on their laptops to are now going to be all angry when it takes them 5 hours to get their luggage this summer.
Funny how that all works when an industry gets decimated eh. |  | | |  |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:26 - Jun 19 with 1240 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:54 - Jun 19 by eireblue |
I have said boo to goose, but outdoors, and I was with some people, to be fair, there were a few geese as well, it wasn’t just the one. But I use an iPad, so I guess none of that counts. |
Correct on an iPad you’re fine. | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:26 - Jun 19 with 1229 views | monytowbray |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:22 - Jun 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
You’re the vegan guy that calls OAPs cvunts aren’t you? |
Yeah but at least I live in reality. |  |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:30 - Jun 19 with 1227 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 17:45 - Jun 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
It really wasn’t just my career.
Was I heavily finically impacted? - Yes.
Would I have agreed with the ongoing restrictions throughout last year anyway? - No.
After we had the vaccines rolled out I never agreed with heavy government intervention and lockdowns, especially when it impacted peoples mental/physical and economic well being so drastically. People that had little chance of having many serious issues with infection shouldn’t have faced such stringent measures for such a long time IMO. As more information came out I guess put me in the individual responsibility camp. Putting myself in less social settings and testing leading up to seeing elderly loved ones that kind of thing.
It’s also why I choose to live somewhere where I wasn’t impacted in 2021 locally, as many others did. Everyone has had different experiences through this thing and losing loved ones that can’t be replaced was dreadful for so many people. However, disagreeing with policy (that was so vastly different globally I might add) doesn’t make you unsympathetic as people have suggested. It really is a bit all or nothing with the masses on here. The could be a valid argument that many with alternative viewpoints were also rather selfish on quite a few levels.
People were telling me on here in just in the the last few months that hospitals are overrun again and Covid is still so dangerous (which as I pointed out wasn’t particularly true with this current variant) but everyone is over it now I guess! Or making their own choices, like others were calling for previously. |
It’s hard not to be bitter when external forces outside your control adversely impact your life/family/career. I lost a job I really enjoyed because of Brexit and am now in one that bores me sh*tless. I’ll never stop moaning about Brexit because of that.
So I can understand why people get angry about the restrictions. But at least making sacrifices to protect other people during a global pandemic is a bit more meaningful. |  |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:31 - Jun 19 with 1223 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:26 - Jun 19 by monytowbray |
Yeah but at least I live in reality. |
Sure you do. | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:36 - Jun 19 with 1193 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 15:13 - Jun 19 by StokieBlue |
You're not really helping his case, you're just confirming that his opinions are based on selfish personal circumstances as per my original post.
This isn't the only subject where that is the case either.
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I'm intrigued to understand when I said I was trying to help his case exactly?
What I did was point out that he knows as much or indeed a lot more about aviation that arguably anyone on this board - quite possibly even you.
I don't necessarily fully agree with Joe in this instance.
Restrictions on air travel have to a certain extent been mothballed for a while yet the aviation industry still has untold problems — much to do with staffing levels - even though the taxpayer funded massive amounts of staff wages through furlough with the plan that industry could just wake up and go once Covid died down.
…..but it’s not just the aviation industry with staffing problems and it isn’t just UK — in fact, there is a shortage of workers in many, many industries and it is absolutely global and not confined to hospitality and the like either. |  |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:38 - Jun 19 with 1182 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:30 - Jun 19 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s hard not to be bitter when external forces outside your control adversely impact your life/family/career. I lost a job I really enjoyed because of Brexit and am now in one that bores me sh*tless. I’ll never stop moaning about Brexit because of that.
So I can understand why people get angry about the restrictions. But at least making sacrifices to protect other people during a global pandemic is a bit more meaningful. |
Of course and we all done our bit and then a lot of them didn’t make any sense, it was similar for the hospitality sector. But I’ll leave it’s it clearly isn’t going anywhere particularly productive in TWTD land and it’s sunny outside. Onwards and upwards. [Post edited 19 Jun 2022 18:42]
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:41 - Jun 19 with 1178 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:36 - Jun 19 by Lord_Lucan |
I'm intrigued to understand when I said I was trying to help his case exactly?
What I did was point out that he knows as much or indeed a lot more about aviation that arguably anyone on this board - quite possibly even you.
I don't necessarily fully agree with Joe in this instance.
Restrictions on air travel have to a certain extent been mothballed for a while yet the aviation industry still has untold problems — much to do with staffing levels - even though the taxpayer funded massive amounts of staff wages through furlough with the plan that industry could just wake up and go once Covid died down.
…..but it’s not just the aviation industry with staffing problems and it isn’t just UK — in fact, there is a shortage of workers in many, many industries and it is absolutely global and not confined to hospitality and the like either. |
But if I don’t think the exact same was as the clique apparently I’m Alex Jones.
Anyway - yours is a pint in December Lucan, It’s been too long! I hope the family is well. | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:48 - Jun 19 with 1162 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:41 - Jun 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
But if I don’t think the exact same was as the clique apparently I’m Alex Jones.
Anyway - yours is a pint in December Lucan, It’s been too long! I hope the family is well. |
It will be good to see you.
Funnily enough I've been chit chatting with your bruv on Whatsapp recently and I notice he has appeared on this thread.
You and him are poles apart politically and I wager get on like a house on fire, and there's me, probably on a different planet to both of you yet we all get along, have a laugh and can have an intelligent discussion.
Real life is weird isn't it. | |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:49 - Jun 19 with 1157 views | eireblue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:25 - Jun 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
My point was that was the initial mindset and when it was clear it was unattainable they seemed to hold onto parts of it for far too long.
Also Canadian policy did have a major impact yes. |
Again, that is a straw man argument, there was no zero Covid approach at the start of the pandemic on either side of the Atlantic, except for parts of Canada (not the heavily populated areas) and Scotland.
How much air travel is there between the Atlantic Canadian territories and Scotland?
Seems to me, you simply have an opinion, as a person in an industry that has been hit by the pandemic, that things should have happened in a way that was more beneficial for your industry.
Why not simply state that up front, why the need to invoke straw man arguments?
I would be sympathetic to a Coal Miner that had a coal mine shut down, but if they stated, we should have burned more coal for longer and everything in the world would be fine and the Climate scientists that recommended moving away from fossil fuels were wrong, and made fake arguments…..less so |  | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 19:00 - Jun 19 with 1137 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:48 - Jun 19 by Lord_Lucan |
It will be good to see you.
Funnily enough I've been chit chatting with your bruv on Whatsapp recently and I notice he has appeared on this thread.
You and him are poles apart politically and I wager get on like a house on fire, and there's me, probably on a different planet to both of you yet we all get along, have a laugh and can have an intelligent discussion.
Real life is weird isn't it. |
Haha yes it’s much better in real life than a message board. We do indeed every time he is stateside and when I am back at Christmas. Politics shouldn’t get in the way of family and friends, not that it really needs to be said but it’s particularly divisive times these days.
I will admit to being a bit excitable on here in my late twenties/early thirties and maybe Covid was an ego check for many people that didn’t see disaster ahead. Either way people should be able to have a educated debate without hating the other sides point of view.
I’d have a beer with anyone (even my brother), although it’s his shout next time obviously. | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 19:04 - Jun 19 with 1129 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:49 - Jun 19 by eireblue |
Again, that is a straw man argument, there was no zero Covid approach at the start of the pandemic on either side of the Atlantic, except for parts of Canada (not the heavily populated areas) and Scotland.
How much air travel is there between the Atlantic Canadian territories and Scotland?
Seems to me, you simply have an opinion, as a person in an industry that has been hit by the pandemic, that things should have happened in a way that was more beneficial for your industry.
Why not simply state that up front, why the need to invoke straw man arguments?
I would be sympathetic to a Coal Miner that had a coal mine shut down, but if they stated, we should have burned more coal for longer and everything in the world would be fine and the Climate scientists that recommended moving away from fossil fuels were wrong, and made fake arguments…..less so |
With respect if you were in meetings with airlines, industry representatives and others from the policy side early on, you’d have a greater level of understanding what I was getting at than posting wiki links about Scotland. [Post edited 19 Jun 2022 19:05]
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 19:22 - Jun 19 with 1086 views | StokieBlue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 19:04 - Jun 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
With respect if you were in meetings with airlines, industry representatives and others from the policy side early on, you’d have a greater level of understanding what I was getting at than posting wiki links about Scotland. [Post edited 19 Jun 2022 19:05]
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That's an appeal to authority fallacy.
Airline executives are not experts on pandemics, they are experts on maximising the profits of their airlines regardless of the circumstances of the rest of the planet.
Given this, their opinion carries little weight when it comes to managing a pandemic and the rules regarding borders - they are heavily conflicted in such a situation and there was more to consider than just keeping the virus out of a country, speed of spread was also crucial in managing the load on health services.
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 19:43 - Jun 19 with 1050 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 19:22 - Jun 19 by StokieBlue |
That's an appeal to authority fallacy.
Airline executives are not experts on pandemics, they are experts on maximising the profits of their airlines regardless of the circumstances of the rest of the planet.
Given this, their opinion carries little weight when it comes to managing a pandemic and the rules regarding borders - they are heavily conflicted in such a situation and there was more to consider than just keeping the virus out of a country, speed of spread was also crucial in managing the load on health services.
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It’s not an appeal to anything. These conservations were happening for a reason and it became more clear the measures weren’t particularly working after community spread was rife domestically and the variants were ahead of any new measures that were being put in place. | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 19:52 - Jun 19 with 1041 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 19:43 - Jun 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
It’s not an appeal to anything. These conservations were happening for a reason and it became more clear the measures weren’t particularly working after community spread was rife domestically and the variants were ahead of any new measures that were being put in place. |
The measures were working though - that’s been proven. Things would have been a lot worse without them. Although of course there’s denying that trying to limit the damage of a global pandemic of a highly contagious disease is incompatible with commercial practices based on cramming as many people as possible into a confined space. That why we needed government support (and more of it than was given). Capitalism is incapable of managing a pandemic. | |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 20:43 - Jun 19 with 996 views | unbelievablue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 19:00 - Jun 19 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Haha yes it’s much better in real life than a message board. We do indeed every time he is stateside and when I am back at Christmas. Politics shouldn’t get in the way of family and friends, not that it really needs to be said but it’s particularly divisive times these days.
I will admit to being a bit excitable on here in my late twenties/early thirties and maybe Covid was an ego check for many people that didn’t see disaster ahead. Either way people should be able to have a educated debate without hating the other sides point of view.
I’d have a beer with anyone (even my brother), although it’s his shout next time obviously. |
Hopefully I’ll be running the university by then and it can be MOET. |  |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 22:10 - Jun 19 with 930 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 19:52 - Jun 19 by Swansea_Blue |
The measures were working though - that’s been proven. Things would have been a lot worse without them. Although of course there’s denying that trying to limit the damage of a global pandemic of a highly contagious disease is incompatible with commercial practices based on cramming as many people as possible into a confined space. That why we needed government support (and more of it than was given). Capitalism is incapable of managing a pandemic. |
A lot of people were calling for an end to them a lot earlier than they occurred, it’s all over left wing rags as well.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/07/27/biden-united-states-borders-c
WHO also criticized any blanket banks during the last variant stating it wouldn’t stop the spread, basically saying a lot of what others had argued for a while. [Post edited 19 Jun 2022 22:14]
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 07:52 - Jun 20 with 785 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 18:48 - Jun 19 by Lord_Lucan |
It will be good to see you.
Funnily enough I've been chit chatting with your bruv on Whatsapp recently and I notice he has appeared on this thread.
You and him are poles apart politically and I wager get on like a house on fire, and there's me, probably on a different planet to both of you yet we all get along, have a laugh and can have an intelligent discussion.
Real life is weird isn't it. |
It’s as if two people, even brothers, can have different views and options yet manage to remain civil in their disagreements.
Why can’t the world be black and white with people divided into those who are morally righteous and superior, with the other half being thick Nazi scumbags? |  |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 09:07 - Jun 20 with 727 views | NthQldITFC |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 19:22 - Jun 19 by StokieBlue |
That's an appeal to authority fallacy.
Airline executives are not experts on pandemics, they are experts on maximising the profits of their airlines regardless of the circumstances of the rest of the planet.
Given this, their opinion carries little weight when it comes to managing a pandemic and the rules regarding borders - they are heavily conflicted in such a situation and there was more to consider than just keeping the virus out of a country, speed of spread was also crucial in managing the load on health services.
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See also climate change.
Airlines, like almost all businesses and sadly most individuals, have the acquisition of abstract wealth as their ultimate and overriding motivation, and as such cannot be trusted to be honest in the face of real problems.
Once all the space has been squeezed out of the system, the insanity of that purposeless acquisition of abstract wealth will be clear to even the most wooden-headed of business-as-usual types. |  |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 09:47 - Jun 20 with 701 views | unbelievablue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 07:52 - Jun 20 by GlasgowBlue |
It’s as if two people, even brothers, can have different views and options yet manage to remain civil in their disagreements.
Why can’t the world be black and white with people divided into those who are morally righteous and superior, with the other half being thick Nazi scumbags? |
Indeed. And in many ways it is actually harder to remain civil when it is a family member or close friend with whom you disagree, because of the stakes involved. But if we don't try, what's the point?
Edit - I would point out that I was very guilty of getting personal, derogatory etc. in years gone by on here. It's wonderful how age mellows you. [Post edited 20 Jun 2022 9:51]
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 09:54 - Jun 20 with 692 views | Cotty |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 09:47 - Jun 20 by unbelievablue |
Indeed. And in many ways it is actually harder to remain civil when it is a family member or close friend with whom you disagree, because of the stakes involved. But if we don't try, what's the point?
Edit - I would point out that I was very guilty of getting personal, derogatory etc. in years gone by on here. It's wonderful how age mellows you. [Post edited 20 Jun 2022 9:51]
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Yeah I was a real tvvat on here in my early twenties. Sorry everyone! |  | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 09:55 - Jun 20 with 681 views | unbelievablue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 09:54 - Jun 20 by Cotty |
Yeah I was a real tvvat on here in my early twenties. Sorry everyone! |
I just went through my ignore list and un-ignored you, which speaks to both your post and mine! | |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 09:56 - Jun 20 with 676 views | Cotty |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 09:55 - Jun 20 by unbelievablue |
I just went through my ignore list and un-ignored you, which speaks to both your post and mine! |
Ha! Redemption at last! | | | |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 10:20 - Jun 20 with 635 views | Radlett_blue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 19:22 - Jun 19 by StokieBlue |
That's an appeal to authority fallacy.
Airline executives are not experts on pandemics, they are experts on maximising the profits of their airlines regardless of the circumstances of the rest of the planet.
Given this, their opinion carries little weight when it comes to managing a pandemic and the rules regarding borders - they are heavily conflicted in such a situation and there was more to consider than just keeping the virus out of a country, speed of spread was also crucial in managing the load on health services.
SB |
Your point is valid. The opinion of a party with a large financial interest in the outcome is likely to be heavily biased.
However, the idea that travel restrictions would keep COVID, or certain strains of COVID, "out of a country" was always flawed, unless you are prepared to shut down all commercial trade & also refuse to allow a large number of your citizens to return to their country. |  |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 10:25 - Jun 20 with 621 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 20:43 - Jun 19 by unbelievablue |
Hopefully I’ll be running the university by then and it can be MOET. |
Fcukin' Champagne socialist. | |
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| Ah so airports across Europe are a mess this summer it appears on 11:04 - Jun 20 with 575 views | blueasfook |
I dont think anyone actually cheered the fact we weren't allowed to travel? |  |
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