| Drawing lines in the sea... 10:09 - Jun 26 with 1087 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Surely Johnson and the EU can manage that again!
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/26/timid-west-ukraine-line-in
"Fear corrodes the will to act, even though rampant price inflation imperils their national interest. Soon after the blockade began, Lithuania, bravely punching above its weight, proposed a naval “coalition of the willing”, preferably under UN authority, to escort Ukrainian grain carriers past Russian warships from Odesa to the Bosphorus. It’s an entirely reasonable idea.
But it hasn’t happened — mainly because Biden disproportionately fears direct Nato-Russia confrontation, because the UN security council is paralysed, and because Macron and Scholz privately oppose it. The Paris-Berlin dynamic duo, AKA the two stooges, still believe they can talk their way out of trouble by pressing Kyiv to give ground and making nice with a monster."
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| Drawing lines in the sea... on 10:18 - Jun 26 with 1055 views | J2BLUE |
It's no coincidence one of Putin's mates has said it won't be Berlin or Paris that is targeted first in the event of WW3, but London.
Obviously all bluster but they really do hate us with a passion. |  |
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| Drawing lines in the sea... on 10:22 - Jun 26 with 1018 views | pointofblue |
| Drawing lines in the sea... on 10:18 - Jun 26 by J2BLUE |
It's no coincidence one of Putin's mates has said it won't be Berlin or Paris that is targeted first in the event of WW3, but London.
Obviously all bluster but they really do hate us with a passion. |
Think they see us as a way of hurting America more than Berlin or Paris due the cultural ties. We’re less reliant on Russia’s resources compared to Germany and France too. |  |
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| Drawing lines in the sea... on 10:40 - Jun 26 with 988 views | Churchman |
| Drawing lines in the sea... on 10:18 - Jun 26 by J2BLUE |
It's no coincidence one of Putin's mates has said it won't be Berlin or Paris that is targeted first in the event of WW3, but London.
Obviously all bluster but they really do hate us with a passion. |
Who cares if they hate us. If they are using rhetoric like that then there is an element of fear in them or at the very least worry.
Yes, they could obliterate this country easily. They could have done it decades ago. They won’t because if they do, the cost to them will be far too great. So they seek to divide.
Putin doesn’t say a lot about Macron and the German bloke because they’re his friends and have probably got post-war trade agreements all in place. He has them by the nose and I believe they have already written off Ukraine. The old EU policy of row in your enemy economically to reduce threat is I suspect alive and well.
The use of grain as a weapon is proving very effective. The UN, not least because Russia is a permanent member, is utterly powerless. It is up to the US and it’s supporters to do something about it and apply pressure.
A corridor as the article suggests would be a good step but I’d accompany it with a no fly zone over all Ukraine territory, pre 2014. There’s nothing Putin could do about either but rage a bit. Trouble is it requires courage and strength. Poor old Biden possesses neither and everybody knows it. |  | | |
| Drawing lines in the sea... on 11:01 - Jun 26 with 937 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Drawing lines in the sea... on 10:18 - Jun 26 by J2BLUE |
It's no coincidence one of Putin's mates has said it won't be Berlin or Paris that is targeted first in the event of WW3, but London.
Obviously all bluster but they really do hate us with a passion. |
Although that would be largely strategic.
Little point in targeting Berlin |  |
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| Drawing lines in the sea... on 11:20 - Jun 26 with 897 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Drawing lines in the sea... on 11:01 - Jun 26 by Lord_Lucan |
Although that would be largely strategic.
Little point in targeting Berlin |
G7 meets in Berlin, Putin strikes Kyiv for the first time in weeks. He is literally trolling/baiting them now.
Edit. There is a certain irony that he is killing the West via globalisation. [Post edited 26 Jun 2022 11:21]
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| Drawing lines in the sea... on 11:30 - Jun 26 with 868 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Drawing lines in the sea... on 10:18 - Jun 26 by J2BLUE |
It's no coincidence one of Putin's mates has said it won't be Berlin or Paris that is targeted first in the event of WW3, but London.
Obviously all bluster but they really do hate us with a passion. |
Not sure hate is the right word. Putin knows that France , Germany, Italy etc don’t threaten Russia getting their own way in Ukraine. The UK is perhaps Ukraine’s biggest supporter and least likely to put pressure on them to agree to an humiliating settlement.
Threats are meaningless as Putin knows UK would retaliate and Russia would be crippled.
Not sure what the answer is regarding the Black Sea blockade. No Country can send in their navy to provide protection without approval from Turkey who control access from the Mediterranean . |  |
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| Drawing lines in the sea... on 12:05 - Jun 26 with 837 views | Churchman |
| Drawing lines in the sea... on 11:30 - Jun 26 by Pinewoodblue |
Not sure hate is the right word. Putin knows that France , Germany, Italy etc don’t threaten Russia getting their own way in Ukraine. The UK is perhaps Ukraine’s biggest supporter and least likely to put pressure on them to agree to an humiliating settlement.
Threats are meaningless as Putin knows UK would retaliate and Russia would be crippled.
Not sure what the answer is regarding the Black Sea blockade. No Country can send in their navy to provide protection without approval from Turkey who control access from the Mediterranean . |
The answer is for America, which is Nato, to force Turkey’s hand. It won’t refuse.
Interesting commentary from the Washington Post on Germany, Italy, France’s appeasement policy and the ignored lesson of history. Not the most reliable of publications, but worth a read.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/17/macron-scholz-draghi-kyiv-ukr | | | |
| Drawing lines in the sea... on 12:43 - Jun 26 with 782 views | HARRY10 |
| Drawing lines in the sea... on 11:30 - Jun 26 by Pinewoodblue |
Not sure hate is the right word. Putin knows that France , Germany, Italy etc don’t threaten Russia getting their own way in Ukraine. The UK is perhaps Ukraine’s biggest supporter and least likely to put pressure on them to agree to an humiliating settlement.
Threats are meaningless as Putin knows UK would retaliate and Russia would be crippled.
Not sure what the answer is regarding the Black Sea blockade. No Country can send in their navy to provide protection without approval from Turkey who control access from the Mediterranean . |
That would make sense .................if the Daily Express was your only source of info.
Whereas Johnson was the only political leader who defended Putins annexing of the Crimea, and has certainly had his pockets lined for doing just that, as yet +another Putin backed Tory Party donor is revealed
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/26/tory-donor-and-vladimir-putin-a
And as Ukraine heads towards the EU, all windbag can do is attempt to change his stance by using the press. None of us know what is being done, but it is certain we know that windbag is in a one man minority over Ukraine and the EU.
Just as with the idiot expression 'weaponise' as if the thought of blockading has never occurred to belligerents, or has ever been used before - apart from WW1/2 and all the other times through history
They say truth is the first victim of war, I would suggest that is run closely by language, as 'newspeak' quickly replaces previously accepted words.
It is merely another struggle between Russia and the 'West', played out this time in the Wests backyard, rather than by proxy in Africa, or the Middle East as previous.
Does the West want this one to be decisive. Perhaps not, given the vacuum it would leave. Far better the devil you know, etc. So it will continue. For how long... until the next one is perhaps the best answer. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, the Middle East... and numerous African states in between.
And as the Welsh would have 'Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose', though I expect windbag will be long gone before this is over. Otherwise the killing will continue, as it would a shame not to show those naughty Russkies what weapons the West have. | | | |
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| Drawing lines in the sea... on 13:07 - Jun 26 with 733 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Drawing lines in the sea... on 12:43 - Jun 26 by HARRY10 |
That would make sense .................if the Daily Express was your only source of info.
Whereas Johnson was the only political leader who defended Putins annexing of the Crimea, and has certainly had his pockets lined for doing just that, as yet +another Putin backed Tory Party donor is revealed
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/26/tory-donor-and-vladimir-putin-a
And as Ukraine heads towards the EU, all windbag can do is attempt to change his stance by using the press. None of us know what is being done, but it is certain we know that windbag is in a one man minority over Ukraine and the EU.
Just as with the idiot expression 'weaponise' as if the thought of blockading has never occurred to belligerents, or has ever been used before - apart from WW1/2 and all the other times through history
They say truth is the first victim of war, I would suggest that is run closely by language, as 'newspeak' quickly replaces previously accepted words.
It is merely another struggle between Russia and the 'West', played out this time in the Wests backyard, rather than by proxy in Africa, or the Middle East as previous.
Does the West want this one to be decisive. Perhaps not, given the vacuum it would leave. Far better the devil you know, etc. So it will continue. For how long... until the next one is perhaps the best answer. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, the Middle East... and numerous African states in between.
And as the Welsh would have 'Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose', though I expect windbag will be long gone before this is over. Otherwise the killing will continue, as it would a shame not to show those naughty Russkies what weapons the West have. |
You really are so set in your views that you wouldn’t recognise the truth if it bit you.
I have never put anyone on ignore but you are close to being the first. | |
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| Drawing lines in the sea... on 13:20 - Jun 26 with 697 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Drawing lines in the sea... on 13:07 - Jun 26 by Pinewoodblue |
You really are so set in your views that you wouldn’t recognise the truth if it bit you.
I have never put anyone on ignore but you are close to being the first. |
Um, but it’s not true that the UK is Ukraine’s biggest supporter.
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
And Harry’s right that Johnson didn’t condemn the invasion of Crimea. Quite the opposite - he blamed the EU for Russia’s act of aggression, saying this on 6th May 2016:
“you want an example of EU foreign policymaking on the hoof and the EU’s pretensions to running a defence policy that have caused real trouble, then look at what has happened in Ukraine [referring to the invasion of Crimea].
Harry’s style can be confrontational, but he seems to be pretty close to reality on this. |  |
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| Drawing lines in the sea... on 13:34 - Jun 26 with 654 views | Churchman |
| Drawing lines in the sea... on 12:43 - Jun 26 by HARRY10 |
That would make sense .................if the Daily Express was your only source of info.
Whereas Johnson was the only political leader who defended Putins annexing of the Crimea, and has certainly had his pockets lined for doing just that, as yet +another Putin backed Tory Party donor is revealed
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/26/tory-donor-and-vladimir-putin-a
And as Ukraine heads towards the EU, all windbag can do is attempt to change his stance by using the press. None of us know what is being done, but it is certain we know that windbag is in a one man minority over Ukraine and the EU.
Just as with the idiot expression 'weaponise' as if the thought of blockading has never occurred to belligerents, or has ever been used before - apart from WW1/2 and all the other times through history
They say truth is the first victim of war, I would suggest that is run closely by language, as 'newspeak' quickly replaces previously accepted words.
It is merely another struggle between Russia and the 'West', played out this time in the Wests backyard, rather than by proxy in Africa, or the Middle East as previous.
Does the West want this one to be decisive. Perhaps not, given the vacuum it would leave. Far better the devil you know, etc. So it will continue. For how long... until the next one is perhaps the best answer. Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, the Middle East... and numerous African states in between.
And as the Welsh would have 'Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose', though I expect windbag will be long gone before this is over. Otherwise the killing will continue, as it would a shame not to show those naughty Russkies what weapons the West have. |
Why the abusive language? Would you use it to his face? What evidence do you have that he ‘certainly had his pockets lined for doing just that’? Where does he actually defend Putin’s stealing of Crimea?
He other idiot Brexiteers suggested six years ago that Putin’s aggression was connected to EU eastward expansion. An argument that Russia itself has actually used. I think both were and are completely wrong. It’s nonsense.
Putin would have spat on the guarantees made by themselves, US and U.K. when Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons come what may. He knew the weaknesses of the West in 2014, just as he does now. His ambitions are blindingly obvious.
Quite why you keep skewing everything towards your hatred of Johnson is beyond me. We all know what he is and he will be gone soon. The original post was all about Russia’s illegal hold on grain supplies and what the West should do about it.
You may hate Johnson beyond anything that ever existed, but perhaps you would like to explain why Zelenski rates him and the UKs support while looking like he was shaking hands with a dog turd when hapless Macron was whispering nothing in his earhole the other day. | | | |
| Drawing lines in the sea... on 13:39 - Jun 26 with 633 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Drawing lines in the sea... on 13:20 - Jun 26 by Swansea_Blue |
Um, but it’s not true that the UK is Ukraine’s biggest supporter.
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
And Harry’s right that Johnson didn’t condemn the invasion of Crimea. Quite the opposite - he blamed the EU for Russia’s act of aggression, saying this on 6th May 2016:
“you want an example of EU foreign policymaking on the hoof and the EU’s pretensions to running a defence policy that have caused real trouble, then look at what has happened in Ukraine [referring to the invasion of Crimea].
Harry’s style can be confrontational, but he seems to be pretty close to reality on this. |
Johnson is a seriously flawed individual and shouldn’t be anywhere near a position of responsibility.
I know it is all about opinion but calling out those who are wavering and looking for a quick solution is seen by Ukraine to be invaluable support.
Allowing you opinion to influenced by hatred of an individual isn’t the best way to go about anything. | |
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| Drawing lines in the sea... on 13:41 - Jun 26 with 627 views | J2BLUE |
| Drawing lines in the sea... on 13:34 - Jun 26 by Churchman |
Why the abusive language? Would you use it to his face? What evidence do you have that he ‘certainly had his pockets lined for doing just that’? Where does he actually defend Putin’s stealing of Crimea?
He other idiot Brexiteers suggested six years ago that Putin’s aggression was connected to EU eastward expansion. An argument that Russia itself has actually used. I think both were and are completely wrong. It’s nonsense.
Putin would have spat on the guarantees made by themselves, US and U.K. when Ukraine gave up nuclear weapons come what may. He knew the weaknesses of the West in 2014, just as he does now. His ambitions are blindingly obvious.
Quite why you keep skewing everything towards your hatred of Johnson is beyond me. We all know what he is and he will be gone soon. The original post was all about Russia’s illegal hold on grain supplies and what the West should do about it.
You may hate Johnson beyond anything that ever existed, but perhaps you would like to explain why Zelenski rates him and the UKs support while looking like he was shaking hands with a dog turd when hapless Macron was whispering nothing in his earhole the other day. |
Macron probably just called him Volodymyr rather than Mr Zelenskyy. | |
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| Drawing lines in the sea... on 15:25 - Jun 26 with 513 views | BlueBadger |
| Drawing lines in the sea... on 10:18 - Jun 26 by J2BLUE |
It's no coincidence one of Putin's mates has said it won't be Berlin or Paris that is targeted first in the event of WW3, but London.
Obviously all bluster but they really do hate us with a passion. |
Upset because all the investment he put into the Tories hasn't paid off as well as he hoped. |  |
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