| Jumping ship 19:48 - Jun 27 with 1985 views | HARRY10 |
"Two high-profile Conservative rebels have denied that they plan to defect to Labour after reports that as many as six MPs could cross the floor.
Caroline Nokes was one of the first Tories to submit a letter of no confidence in Boris Johnson over the 'partygate' scandal, while Dehenna Davison opposed Mr Johnson in the confidence vote earlier this month.
The Sunday Times quoted Labour insiders who claimed that at least six Tory MPs were considering whether to defect after last week’s by-election defeats in Wakefield and Tiverton and Honiton."
meanwhile elsewhere in todays Telegraph we have
Three Red Wall Conservative MPs are in defection talks with Labour, The Telegraph can reveal. Labour sources told The Telegraph that the three male Conservatives, first elected in 2019, have entered formal discussions about crossing the floor to join Sir Keir Starmer’s party.
Those familiar with discussions said the MPs had slim majorities in Red Wall areas in the North that have historically voted Labour and believed they would lose their seats at the next election if they did not defect.
It is understood the three have felt dissatisfied with Boris Johnson’s leadership in recent weeks and were pushed towards the decision after a confidence vote in which 148 Tory MPs did not back the Prime Minister. One source who has spoken to the MPs said they were frustrated with the “ideological direction” of the Conservative Party."
Is this part of Starmers attempt to move the Labour Party more towards a becoming a social democrat party, and so take more of the middle ground from the Tories - as Johnson takes them ever further right.
Maybe it is already too late for the Tories, and the damage has been done.
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| Jumping ship on 19:58 - Jun 27 with 1934 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
If Tories do defect to Labour (rather than the LibDems) doesn't that say a lot about where this Labour Party has moved to? It is a shame that there isn't one electable party that is to the left of centre in our political system. Instead, the traditionally left-of-centre opposition has to manoeuvre itself to contest support from right-of-centre voters thanks to a large degree to the existence of other parties that are left of centre. |  |
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| Jumping ship on 20:43 - Jun 27 with 1836 views | EastTownBlue |
Clearly won't be these three "humorous" sorts...
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| Jumping ship on 20:51 - Jun 27 with 1807 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Jumping ship on 20:43 - Jun 27 by EastTownBlue |
Clearly won't be these three "humorous" sorts...
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Are they brazenly referring to their love of a lockdown party or have I over-thought this one? | |
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| Jumping ship on 21:37 - Jun 27 with 1742 views | GeoffSentence |
I can't get my head round MPs defecting from the Tories to labour and vice versa. They are pretty much diametrically opposed to each other. It is almost as if their own self-interest is more important than principles. |  |
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| Jumping ship on 21:44 - Jun 27 with 1721 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Jumping ship on 21:37 - Jun 27 by GeoffSentence |
I can't get my head round MPs defecting from the Tories to labour and vice versa. They are pretty much diametrically opposed to each other. It is almost as if their own self-interest is more important than principles. |
Shall we just say that they wouldn't have defected to Corbyn's Labour party but now........ |  |
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| Jumping ship on 21:48 - Jun 27 with 1694 views | MattinLondon |
| Jumping ship on 20:43 - Jun 27 by EastTownBlue |
Clearly won't be these three "humorous" sorts...
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Hunts fist and arm looks like it should belong to a toddler. |  | | |
| Jumping ship on 21:50 - Jun 27 with 1688 views | BlueBadger |
| Jumping ship on 21:44 - Jun 27 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Shall we just say that they wouldn't have defected to Corbyn's Labour party but now........ |
...the current lot might actually stand a chance of winning an election? |  |
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| Jumping ship on 22:07 - Jun 27 with 1655 views | Guthrum |
| Jumping ship on 21:37 - Jun 27 by GeoffSentence |
I can't get my head round MPs defecting from the Tories to labour and vice versa. They are pretty much diametrically opposed to each other. It is almost as if their own self-interest is more important than principles. |
Are they diametrically opposed, or simply variations on a theme? The Labour Party is not exactly hardcore socialist any more. Moreover, the Conservatives are swinging so wildly in certain directions, a moderate Labour Party may seem more homely to those with a milder agenda or who aren't Johnson fanboys and girls. |  |
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| Jumping ship on 22:20 - Jun 27 with 1609 views | SouthfieldsBlue |
| Jumping ship on 22:07 - Jun 27 by Guthrum |
Are they diametrically opposed, or simply variations on a theme? The Labour Party is not exactly hardcore socialist any more. Moreover, the Conservatives are swinging so wildly in certain directions, a moderate Labour Party may seem more homely to those with a milder agenda or who aren't Johnson fanboys and girls. |
For all the talk of polarisation, they aren't that fair apart on all that many issues. Its why the Tories try and run on the Culture War stuff, and Labour are running purely on competence at this point, because on substantive issues there isn't a huge amount of policy difference between them. | | | |
| Jumping ship on 22:22 - Jun 27 with 1602 views | pointofblue |
| Jumping ship on 21:48 - Jun 27 by MattinLondon |
Hunts fist and arm looks like it should belong to a toddler. |
And brain?
Sorry, that's probably insulting to toddlers. | |
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| Jumping ship on 22:37 - Jun 27 with 1551 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Jumping ship on 20:43 - Jun 27 by EastTownBlue |
Clearly won't be these three "humorous" sorts...
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Look at their smugness. Whilst getting fat off the taxpayer. C***s. | | | |
| Jumping ship on 22:49 - Jun 27 with 1513 views | HARRY10 |
| Jumping ship on 20:51 - Jun 27 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Are they brazenly referring to their love of a lockdown party or have I over-thought this one? |
it does rather suggest that there maybe something behind this story - unfortunately like the bloater and the stick insect these three dimwits haven't quite grasped that is not the best of ideas to remind folks of one of the reasons behind the possible defections
Announced as a cost cutting exercise we should all be grateful as "Jacob Rees-Mogg announced in April that he was postponing the “complex and costly” move again, putting off the introduction of checks to the end of next year as a cost-cutting measure. The imposition of controls resulting from the Brexit deal would have been “an act of self-harm”, costing UK businesses £1bn annually "
The thick insect not quite grasping the point, that without Brexit there would not have been these £1bn costs.
"The government’s failure to impose full import controls on food coming from the EU since Brexit has exposed the UK to increased risk of sub-standard products reaching the shelves, a new report has warned."
Let's hope for these defectors Labour does not impose an IQ test, as if they are like any of the others, they would struggle. | | | |
| Jumping ship on 23:08 - Jun 27 with 1477 views | HighgateBlue |
| Jumping ship on 21:37 - Jun 27 by GeoffSentence |
I can't get my head round MPs defecting from the Tories to labour and vice versa. They are pretty much diametrically opposed to each other. It is almost as if their own self-interest is more important than principles. |
Both parties have always been broad churches - coalitions of different flavours. Naturally nobody on the left of Labour would defect to the Tories, and nobody on the right of the Tories would defect to Labour, but there are actually plenty of /relatively/ sensible MPs in the middle who cooperate and work together on select committees. Plus, the larger a Parliamentary party gets, the more geographical areas it has won in, and so it is more likely to cover a broader spectrum of views. Given the size of the majority in that situation, the government doesn't have to obsess about keeping its backbenchers happy, and can go in quite a strong/extreme direction which keeps one wing or another of the party unhappy. Where you have a moderate MP in a marginal seat, and a government taking the party and the country away from moderation, it's little wonder MPs start to worry about their own position, but also little wonder they worry about the kind of principles or lack thereof which the government is espousing... |  | | |
| Jumping ship on 23:35 - Jun 27 with 1430 views | HARRY10 |
| Jumping ship on 23:08 - Jun 27 by HighgateBlue |
Both parties have always been broad churches - coalitions of different flavours. Naturally nobody on the left of Labour would defect to the Tories, and nobody on the right of the Tories would defect to Labour, but there are actually plenty of /relatively/ sensible MPs in the middle who cooperate and work together on select committees. Plus, the larger a Parliamentary party gets, the more geographical areas it has won in, and so it is more likely to cover a broader spectrum of views. Given the size of the majority in that situation, the government doesn't have to obsess about keeping its backbenchers happy, and can go in quite a strong/extreme direction which keeps one wing or another of the party unhappy. Where you have a moderate MP in a marginal seat, and a government taking the party and the country away from moderation, it's little wonder MPs start to worry about their own position, but also little wonder they worry about the kind of principles or lack thereof which the government is espousing... |
Unfortunately this smacks of self interest. If it was about the Tories shifting to the right, then surely the move would be to the Libdems...... or perhaps they will not stand much of a chance as a Libdem MP at the next election, more so in a so called red wall seat.
I would doubt either that they came to the Tory Party and election in December 2019, having previously lived in a vacuum. They would have not only known about the odious policies and austerity, they would have actually campaigned for more of the same.
I cannot think they will be too welcome at a local level either, as explained above. And a half a dozen or so are not going to make anyone hold their nose, as they defection shifts the balance of power.
Let then resign the Tory whip and sit as Independents (or Libdems). That way they will know who voters really elected - their arguments, or the colour of their rosette. | | | |
| Jumping ship on 23:37 - Jun 27 with 1428 views | tractordownsouth |
I think Caroline Nokes will join the Lib Dems - she seems a far more natural fit there than in the Tory party. She is anti-Brexit, anti-Johnson, has a history of rebellions and represents a constituency with a strong Liberal presence.
The name being touted for a Labour defection is Simon Fell. I don’t know much about him except than he won Barrow from Labour (ironically after the previous Labour MP endorsed him.) The fact that Cumbria overwhelmingly voted Labour in the council elections suggests the move could be self-preservation. For that reason, if anyone jumps ship I’d like to see evidence of a couple of rebellions first to prove that they’re genuine and not just after a prolonged career. I think Christian Wakeford has been a good fit and has clearly signed up to the policy agenda so I’d like any other defections to keep up to that standard.
I’d be surprised to see any other moves beyond that. Despite Labour’s moderation there are still huge policy differences with the Tories, so MPs won’t move barring a serious change of heart. |  |
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| Jumping ship on 07:00 - Jun 28 with 1283 views | BlueBadger |
| Jumping ship on 22:22 - Jun 27 by pointofblue |
And brain?
Sorry, that's probably insulting to toddlers. |
Why would you compare a under developed individual who is prone to tantrums and unable unable to follow simple logic to a toddler? | |
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| Jumping ship on 08:42 - Jun 28 with 1185 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Jumping ship on 21:44 - Jun 27 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Shall we just say that they wouldn't have defected to Corbyn's Labour party but now........ |
What would have been the point of defecting to Labour under Corbyn? If they wanted to serve under a racist leader then they’d have stayed with Johnson. |  |
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| Jumping ship on 08:45 - Jun 28 with 1186 views | unbelievablue |
| Jumping ship on 08:42 - Jun 28 by GlasgowBlue |
What would have been the point of defecting to Labour under Corbyn? If they wanted to serve under a racist leader then they’d have stayed with Johnson. |
Zing! |  |
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| Jumping ship on 10:11 - Jun 28 with 1117 views | You_Bloo_Right |
Once elected MPs begin to believe that the electorate voted for them personally rather than the party they represent. As discussed elsewhere this is largely not the case. |  |
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| Jumping ship on 10:49 - Jun 28 with 1057 views | Icantbelieveyousaidt |
| Jumping ship on 07:00 - Jun 28 by BlueBadger |
Why would you compare a under developed individual who is prone to tantrums and unable unable to follow simple logic to a toddler? |
'a under' or 'an under': 'unable unable' or just one 'unable' ? That is the question!
So who really is under developed! | | | |
| Jumping ship on 14:55 - Jun 28 with 965 views | HARRY10 |
"The name being touted for a Labour defection is Simon Fell"
As a Brexiteer he would be as welcome as a turd in a swimming pool.
That places like Cumbria are being hit hard, and will continue to be hit, by brexit suggests he should not be offered an escape route from the lies he peddled. | | | |
| Jumping ship on 15:02 - Jun 28 with 941 views | BlueNomad |
| Jumping ship on 20:43 - Jun 27 by EastTownBlue |
Clearly won't be these three "humorous" sorts...
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Glad to see that Hunt is really tied to the mast of the sinking ship. The people of Ipswich know what they need to do in 2024. |  | | |
| Jumping ship on 22:39 - Jun 28 with 890 views | BlueBadger |
| Jumping ship on 10:49 - Jun 28 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
'a under' or 'an under': 'unable unable' or just one 'unable' ? That is the question!
So who really is under developed! |
You neglected to start that post with a capital letter, Chuckles. [Post edited 28 Jun 2022 22:49]
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| Jumping ship on 23:01 - Jun 28 with 846 views | jeera |
| Jumping ship on 22:39 - Jun 28 by BlueBadger |
You neglected to start that post with a capital letter, Chuckles. [Post edited 28 Jun 2022 22:49]
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It was obsessing over your job before and now it's typos.
Stalking posters the way he still does...
*Edited to save admin grief. [Post edited 29 Jun 2022 0:15]
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