| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 13:45 - Jul 14 with 3158 views | Steve_M |
So, two separate rail strikes within a week: RMT on 27th, Aslef on 30th.
Private Eye this week notes how Grant Shapps has added several layers of higher management to Network Rail over the last year or so. |  |
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| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 13:58 - Jul 14 with 3077 views | EastTownBlue |
For the previous drivers strike there were only trains running between Norwich and London with no local services. They only ran six services in each direction. |  | | |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 14:02 - Jul 14 with 3050 views | EssexBloo |
This is so infuriating!
As it’s 2 weeks away is there any chance things will have resolved by then? | | | |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 14:07 - Jul 14 with 3020 views | dirtyboy |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 14:02 - Jul 14 by EssexBloo |
This is so infuriating!
As it’s 2 weeks away is there any chance things will have resolved by then? |
Nope.
No busses from Lowestoft to Ipswich either.
Might have to organise a coach! |  | | |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 14:14 - Jul 14 with 2996 views | Steve_M |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 14:07 - Jul 14 by dirtyboy |
Nope.
No busses from Lowestoft to Ipswich either.
Might have to organise a coach! |
Yes, mid-season people might just miss the match but can't see that for the first game if people can find a way to get there. | |
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| Aslef Greater Anglia on the 23rd too.... on 14:18 - Jul 14 with 2980 views | Bloots |
| Greater Anglia rail strike planned for 30th July on 13:45 - Jul 14 by Steve_M |
So, two separate rail strikes within a week: RMT on 27th, Aslef on 30th.
Private Eye this week notes how Grant Shapps has added several layers of higher management to Network Rail over the last year or so. |
...it's a bit OTT really.
Even if you believe in Trade Unions, strikes and are a massive "comrade", there has to be a limit.
The GA train service will effectively be down from 23rd July until the 1st August. |  |
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| Aslef Greater Anglia on the 23rd too.... on 14:33 - Jul 14 with 2914 views | jayessess |
| Aslef Greater Anglia on the 23rd too.... on 14:18 - Jul 14 by Bloots |
...it's a bit OTT really.
Even if you believe in Trade Unions, strikes and are a massive "comrade", there has to be a limit.
The GA train service will effectively be down from 23rd July until the 1st August. |
It's up to the employers to resolve it. Railworkers didn't choose to have their livelihoods attacked, did they? |  |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 14:40 - Jul 14 with 2881 views | Bloots |
| Aslef Greater Anglia on the 23rd too.... on 14:33 - Jul 14 by jayessess |
It's up to the employers to resolve it. Railworkers didn't choose to have their livelihoods attacked, did they? |
....the vast majority of people are suffering financially at the moment.
Most of those suffering earn a huge amount less than train drivers.
Those that can afford it will find other ways to get to work for those days, but the lowest earners won't be able to and they are the ones that will suffer.
I'm not against industrial action in general, but there has to be some give and take, and to strike on three separate occasions within a week will have a detrimental effect on many peoples earnings when they simply can't afford it.
Not particularly "socialist" is it? | |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 14:45 - Jul 14 with 2843 views | noggin |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 14:40 - Jul 14 by Bloots |
....the vast majority of people are suffering financially at the moment.
Most of those suffering earn a huge amount less than train drivers.
Those that can afford it will find other ways to get to work for those days, but the lowest earners won't be able to and they are the ones that will suffer.
I'm not against industrial action in general, but there has to be some give and take, and to strike on three separate occasions within a week will have a detrimental effect on many peoples earnings when they simply can't afford it.
Not particularly "socialist" is it? |
What do you suggest workers do, other than industrial action. Remember, most key workers have had year on year, real terms, pay cuts. It's time everyone said enough is enough. |  |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 14:53 - Jul 14 with 2777 views | giant_stow |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 14:45 - Jul 14 by noggin |
What do you suggest workers do, other than industrial action. Remember, most key workers have had year on year, real terms, pay cuts. It's time everyone said enough is enough. |
But is "everybody" going to pay "everybody" more to rectify this real terms pay cut?
Don't get me wrong - these strikes aren't in realms of striking tube drivers yet, but I just wonder how solvable it actually is on a society level? If we have to prioritise, I'd rather lower paid bods like nurses or teachers, are sorted first before higher tax paying train drivers. |  |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 14:53 - Jul 14 with 2777 views | jayessess |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 14:40 - Jul 14 by Bloots |
....the vast majority of people are suffering financially at the moment.
Most of those suffering earn a huge amount less than train drivers.
Those that can afford it will find other ways to get to work for those days, but the lowest earners won't be able to and they are the ones that will suffer.
I'm not against industrial action in general, but there has to be some give and take, and to strike on three separate occasions within a week will have a detrimental effect on many peoples earnings when they simply can't afford it.
Not particularly "socialist" is it? |
The point of industrial action is to force concessions from the employer by withdrawing your labour. If your starting position is that you aren't actually prepared to cause any real disruption to anyone, you might as well not bother.
Fact is, trade unions don't get to choose when disputes happen because they don't get to determine what the employer is going to offer. They don't get to say "ok, we'll accept a cut this time" because they never get it back (railworkers have had years of pay freezes/real wage cuts). It's socialist to support other workers resisting attacks on their living standards (and the RMT have always been good at supporting other unions, including my own). I'd be getting a train to Portman Road that day, it's a pain in the arse that I can't, but ultimately it's my leisure activity versus their livelihood. | |
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| As I stated, I don't have an issue.... on 14:57 - Jul 14 with 2749 views | Bloots |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 14:45 - Jul 14 by noggin |
What do you suggest workers do, other than industrial action. Remember, most key workers have had year on year, real terms, pay cuts. It's time everyone said enough is enough. |
...with industrial action, my issue is with the regularity of this particular striking pattern.
Not sure why you ignored that, but anyway.
I don't see the correlation between a "key worker" on little more than the minimum wage and a train driver on £60k a year, other than a couple of "key workers" that I know personally (healthcare assistants), that now won't be able to get to and from work for 5 or 6 days later this month.
And for clarity "real term" pay cuts are not confined to just those in key worker positions and unionised industries. For the last 5 years in my non unionised, private sector, capitalist scum job, I haven't had a pay rise of over 1.5%.
It's a reality of the economic climate, and I was just happy to be employed. | |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 14:58 - Jul 14 with 2743 views | DinDjarin |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 14:53 - Jul 14 by jayessess |
The point of industrial action is to force concessions from the employer by withdrawing your labour. If your starting position is that you aren't actually prepared to cause any real disruption to anyone, you might as well not bother.
Fact is, trade unions don't get to choose when disputes happen because they don't get to determine what the employer is going to offer. They don't get to say "ok, we'll accept a cut this time" because they never get it back (railworkers have had years of pay freezes/real wage cuts). It's socialist to support other workers resisting attacks on their living standards (and the RMT have always been good at supporting other unions, including my own). I'd be getting a train to Portman Road that day, it's a pain in the arse that I can't, but ultimately it's my leisure activity versus their livelihood. |
If I was underpaid and undervalued in my job I would probably find just go find a new one. |  | | |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 14:58 - Jul 14 with 2732 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 14:40 - Jul 14 by Bloots |
....the vast majority of people are suffering financially at the moment.
Most of those suffering earn a huge amount less than train drivers.
Those that can afford it will find other ways to get to work for those days, but the lowest earners won't be able to and they are the ones that will suffer.
I'm not against industrial action in general, but there has to be some give and take, and to strike on three separate occasions within a week will have a detrimental effect on many peoples earnings when they simply can't afford it.
Not particularly "socialist" is it? |
Look on the bright side - there'll be many of those people who may well soon have more earnings, as plenty of industries are either striking, planning to strike or balloting members over strikes. |  |
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| Lucky that you don't need the train service..... on 15:00 - Jul 14 with 2722 views | Bloots |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 14:53 - Jul 14 by jayessess |
The point of industrial action is to force concessions from the employer by withdrawing your labour. If your starting position is that you aren't actually prepared to cause any real disruption to anyone, you might as well not bother.
Fact is, trade unions don't get to choose when disputes happen because they don't get to determine what the employer is going to offer. They don't get to say "ok, we'll accept a cut this time" because they never get it back (railworkers have had years of pay freezes/real wage cuts). It's socialist to support other workers resisting attacks on their living standards (and the RMT have always been good at supporting other unions, including my own). I'd be getting a train to Portman Road that day, it's a pain in the arse that I can't, but ultimately it's my leisure activity versus their livelihood. |
....on the 23rd, 24th, 27th, 28th, 30th or 31st for your livelihood then isn't it? | |
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| In this particular instance..... on 15:01 - Jul 14 with 2710 views | Bloots |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 14:58 - Jul 14 by DinDjarin |
If I was underpaid and undervalued in my job I would probably find just go find a new one. |
...that isn't an option, because they know they will never get paid the amount they do in any other job. | |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:02 - Jul 14 with 2710 views | noggin |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 14:53 - Jul 14 by giant_stow |
But is "everybody" going to pay "everybody" more to rectify this real terms pay cut?
Don't get me wrong - these strikes aren't in realms of striking tube drivers yet, but I just wonder how solvable it actually is on a society level? If we have to prioritise, I'd rather lower paid bods like nurses or teachers, are sorted first before higher tax paying train drivers. |
When do you think the 'right time' is for a close to inflation pay rise? Because they haven't had that for years now, which means, every year their standard of living decreases. Train companies are making profits so there is money. Austerity started years before covid so let's not let them blame that.
I agree about nurses and teachers, they should also be balloting for action. Power to the people!!! [Post edited 14 Jul 2022 15:03]
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:03 - Jul 14 with 2687 views | jayessess |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 14:53 - Jul 14 by giant_stow |
But is "everybody" going to pay "everybody" more to rectify this real terms pay cut?
Don't get me wrong - these strikes aren't in realms of striking tube drivers yet, but I just wonder how solvable it actually is on a society level? If we have to prioritise, I'd rather lower paid bods like nurses or teachers, are sorted first before higher tax paying train drivers. |
The Government is on record as saying it wants to defeat the rail strikes so it can avoid making similar concessions to education and health workers, so your nurses and teachers should be cheering the RMT/ASLEF/TSSA on really.
Profits are up this year, management salaries are up, Tories are all talking about big tax cuts (including corporation tax). If the rail unions lose, that's where the money will go, not health care assistants. | |
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| As I stated, I don't have an issue.... on 15:06 - Jul 14 with 2666 views | noggin |
| As I stated, I don't have an issue.... on 14:57 - Jul 14 by Bloots |
...with industrial action, my issue is with the regularity of this particular striking pattern.
Not sure why you ignored that, but anyway.
I don't see the correlation between a "key worker" on little more than the minimum wage and a train driver on £60k a year, other than a couple of "key workers" that I know personally (healthcare assistants), that now won't be able to get to and from work for 5 or 6 days later this month.
And for clarity "real term" pay cuts are not confined to just those in key worker positions and unionised industries. For the last 5 years in my non unionised, private sector, capitalist scum job, I haven't had a pay rise of over 1.5%.
It's a reality of the economic climate, and I was just happy to be employed. |
"It's a reality of the economic climate, and I was just happy to be employed."
Has your company made any profits over the last 5 years? | |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:06 - Jul 14 with 2662 views | jayessess |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 14:58 - Jul 14 by DinDjarin |
If I was underpaid and undervalued in my job I would probably find just go find a new one. |
What a great way to ensure that society is full of jobs that are underpaid and undervalued. | |
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:07 - Jul 14 with 2658 views | giant_stow |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:02 - Jul 14 by noggin |
When do you think the 'right time' is for a close to inflation pay rise? Because they haven't had that for years now, which means, every year their standard of living decreases. Train companies are making profits so there is money. Austerity started years before covid so let's not let them blame that.
I agree about nurses and teachers, they should also be balloting for action. Power to the people!!! [Post edited 14 Jul 2022 15:03]
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I think there's plenty of talk of strikes from Teachers at least (are nurses even allowed to?). and I can see why.
Train companies making any profit right now is ridiculous, as is the level of management pay in some of these industries.
My only possible solution is pie in the sky bollox, but I'd like to see everyone paid in a fairly narrow band, with just enough room to encourage and reward risk-taking and hard to get skills and plenty of slack on the downside to live comfortably. I'd like to teach the birds to sing too. [Post edited 14 Jul 2022 15:08]
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:12 - Jul 14 with 2616 views | noggin |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:07 - Jul 14 by giant_stow |
I think there's plenty of talk of strikes from Teachers at least (are nurses even allowed to?). and I can see why.
Train companies making any profit right now is ridiculous, as is the level of management pay in some of these industries.
My only possible solution is pie in the sky bollox, but I'd like to see everyone paid in a fairly narrow band, with just enough room to encourage and reward risk-taking and hard to get skills and plenty of slack on the downside to live comfortably. I'd like to teach the birds to sing too. [Post edited 14 Jul 2022 15:08]
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But why is that 'pie in the sky'? | |
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| As I stated, I don't have an issue.... on 15:15 - Jul 14 with 2602 views | DJR |
| As I stated, I don't have an issue.... on 14:57 - Jul 14 by Bloots |
...with industrial action, my issue is with the regularity of this particular striking pattern.
Not sure why you ignored that, but anyway.
I don't see the correlation between a "key worker" on little more than the minimum wage and a train driver on £60k a year, other than a couple of "key workers" that I know personally (healthcare assistants), that now won't be able to get to and from work for 5 or 6 days later this month.
And for clarity "real term" pay cuts are not confined to just those in key worker positions and unionised industries. For the last 5 years in my non unionised, private sector, capitalist scum job, I haven't had a pay rise of over 1.5%.
It's a reality of the economic climate, and I was just happy to be employed. |
It doesn't have to be this way. We are a low wage, low productivity economy, and if you look at the graph on the following link you will see that wages have gone backwards in this country in the last fifteen years compared to comparable countries. To some degree, this has been caused by a decline in union membership, and it is in the interests of the Tories to demonise the unions because shock, horror, probe, they might improve wages.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jul/13/average-uk-household-8800-a-yea [Post edited 14 Jul 2022 15:33]
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| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:15 - Jul 14 with 2591 views | giant_stow |
| Nobody chooses to "have their livelihoods attacked"..... on 15:12 - Jul 14 by noggin |
But why is that 'pie in the sky'? |
To my mind, because the whole world would have to agree to do this at once, or else the smartest, wealthiest people would just bvgger off to another country. | |
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