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Is anyone else concerned by this? 15:31 - Jul 26 with 13611 viewsDarth_Koont

We’ve just had the Forde Report corroborating one of the worst political scandals in modern times, certainly the most detailed and widespread. And yet our media couldn’t be less interested – bar the fact that many of them immediately copied the Labour spokesman who spun it as a problem with Corbynism that is now over.

But the key findings of the report remain:

– An unelected bureaucracy in one of the two parties that can effectively form a national government worked against their elected leader and the democratic mandate from members of the party.

– These senior staff, whose job and purpose is to support the leader and members the party represents, secretly and as Forde points out wrongfully diverted over 100K of electoral funds to the seats of anti-Corbyn MPs. It wasn’t their money nor had they the election nor democratic brief to do so. They allege it was to protect seats but these weren’t the seats at most risk. This is also in the 2017 election where a hung parliament was on a knife edge and May barely squeaked in with the support of the DUP. So beyond the utter moral failure and democratic abuse here, these efforts may have had repercussions for the whole country and its future. I’m not saying it definitely did or would have but this is why democratic abuse like this can’t be ignored.

– Antisemitism was being weaponised by the Labour right. And, as Forde also points out, the premise for the big debate in the media and beyond (including the Panorama hatchet job) was wrong and “evidence” that Corbyn had got involved a) unbidden by the HQ staff themselves and b) to block investigations and expulsions was entirely misleading. Forde didn’t use the words “attempts to frame Corbyn that overall succeeded” but he’s a lawyer and much more careful. But I’ll certainly put that out there as a question that those involved need to answer.

– The Labour HQ staff were leaking information and briefing “friendly” journalists at every step. So, in the fight against Corbynism (a fight against social democracy and change if we’re being honest), the unelected staff decided early on to take sides against the leader and the wishes of the members. In this way, they mirrored the PLP and prominently vocal MPs who also decided to act against the party’s own internal democracy.

– The culture within the Labour Party is toxic, not just with the unprofessional and undemocratic behaviour of far too many senior staff but also with sexism and racism. Forde received many, many complaints during the evidence gathering and submission phase (plus a few legal warnings from those who knew that the Labour leaks document was true and damning). Forde, coming through loud and clear despite his lawyerly and careful language, is evidently disgusted by a lot of these internal messages and communications. And he points to an organisation that is deeply flawed and toxic.

As I say, most of these issues have been relatively common knowledge and certainly discussed but were dismissed by factional MPs and their media lackeys as allegations. Yet the Forde report absolutely corroborates them and shows that the accepted narrative of the Corbyn years was just that – a narrative people accepted.

Now, that it’s out and independently corroborated where is the media response? How can we trust a media that painted a picture that it either knew was false or that it didn’t bother to investigate?

That’s serious and worrying enough. But what do we also say about a democratic party (the opposition and only alternative, as people are always keen to remind me) that’s been hijacked by genuine rightwingers who will monster and sabotage anyone elected by members to push the case for more equality, justice and a better life for the most vulnerable and ignored in society. What gives these people the right but also the conviction that they’re there to serve other unelected interests??!

For anyone who says this is over now so no use lamenting the past, think again. The Labour Right has total control of the party now – the internal and the political organisation. It’s amended the rules and taken power from the membership to avoid a repeat of someone from the left getting elected. It’s carried on the same purge that Forde describes when staff went around “trot hunting” (instead of dealing with antisemitism cases by the way) and where a “trot” was described as “anyone left of Gordon Brown”. It’s stood by and clapped along to the most dishonest leadership campaign in UK history where Starmer has misrepresented his values and views (as pledges FFS) to then backtrack on the whole programme and the social democratic platform he himself was committed to before and after the 2019 election if you believe his frequent speeches and statements.

If Boris and his government was a democratic scandal and a sign of dysfunctional party politics (it certainly was) then this saga is the same.

So why can I only see a lack of concern in the limited coverage and almost non-existent responses? Do people really think this doesn’t matter?





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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 13:09 - Jul 28 with 2090 viewsDarth_Koont

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 12:57 - Jul 28 by lowhouseblue

jeez, we've done this soooooooo many times even i find it boring. in all honesty i've also got to the point where i find your obsessive and repetitive attempts to dismiss and down play anti-semitism offensive. your constant attempts to beatify corbyn and drag him from his coffin is also getting quite odd.

but you're clearly desperate for someone to join your thread. how many times can you reply to yourself?

corbyn was utterly rejected by the electorate. he gave us an 80 seat majority for a nasty tory government. anyone who knew anything about british politics and who hadn't joined the corbyn cult predicted this. do we really need to go over all this again?? i'm not surprised that many full-time labour officials opposed corbyn. these are people who commit their lives to the party and they do that for one single reason - in order to get a labour government elected - they knew, like any sane person and as has since been proven beyond question - that with corbyn there that was utterly impossible. it wasn't infighting that made labour unelectable - it was a leader who failed the electorate's sniff test along with the extremists who'd entered the party on his coat tails.

this gives people like you a real problem. social media, and even sites like this, cause you to forget that your views are in a small minority. despite your smug sixth form pretensions to have all the political answers, perhaps only 15% of the electorate share your views. if you want to change anything (and i do wonder if you do - you seem more than happy to just pontificate in a pseudo theoretical way about how you're right about everything) then you need to form a coalition with people who disagree with you about lots of things, including lots and lots of people who voted tory in 2019. the labour party is the only vehicle to achieve that and it will never achieve it with a leader like corbyn. never. and the result is that you're never going to overthrow the establishment - most of the electorate don't want to - but if you want to get rid of the tories getting labour electable is the only way. or is all that anti-tory stuff just a pose?

personally i think you'd be happier joining the greens or corbyn's new party when he launches and just abandoning any claims about actually wanting to change anything. you can just post smug stuff about how bad britain is and how wrong everyone else is.

but this is very boring. we've done it to death.


Back to the tawdry accusations. And a plea to move on from one of the worst, most corrupt, anti-democratic, racist and sexist scandals in our political history.

As hypocritical, dishonest, smeary and totally predictable as ever.

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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 13:56 - Jul 29 with 1964 viewsDarth_Koont

Afternoon!

The response to a damning independent report from Labour and our media has been predictably pathetic. As far as I can see this is the extent of the media asking the question of Starmer re: the toxic factionalism, racism and sexism the report revealed in the party ...

I don’t know what is more loony. Starmer’s batsh1t random response jumping immediately to NATO and “business”. Or the media and supporters nodding along and thinking a loopy, evasive non-response about something this serious is perfectly normal.


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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 14:17 - Jul 29 with 1939 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 13:56 - Jul 29 by Darth_Koont

Afternoon!

The response to a damning independent report from Labour and our media has been predictably pathetic. As far as I can see this is the extent of the media asking the question of Starmer re: the toxic factionalism, racism and sexism the report revealed in the party ...

I don’t know what is more loony. Starmer’s batsh1t random response jumping immediately to NATO and “business”. Or the media and supporters nodding along and thinking a loopy, evasive non-response about something this serious is perfectly normal.



Have you considered that people don’t want to engage you on this because you have no balance or impartiality. On other subjects you are thoughtful and interesting. When it comes to anything Corbyn related you act like his own personal spin doctor, to the point where you made a Jewish poster so uncomfortable he blocked you.

Elsewhere those posters who are not so entrenched in their views will have an honest and open debate.

Personally I’ve given up. When you dismiss the independent, impartial and reputable EHRC report, and then keep waving this around as some kind of massive ‘gotcha’ you lose all credibility.

Have a nice afternoon.
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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 14:22 - Jul 29 with 1934 viewsDarth_Koont

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 14:17 - Jul 29 by SuperKieranMcKenna

Have you considered that people don’t want to engage you on this because you have no balance or impartiality. On other subjects you are thoughtful and interesting. When it comes to anything Corbyn related you act like his own personal spin doctor, to the point where you made a Jewish poster so uncomfortable he blocked you.

Elsewhere those posters who are not so entrenched in their views will have an honest and open debate.

Personally I’ve given up. When you dismiss the independent, impartial and reputable EHRC report, and then keep waving this around as some kind of massive ‘gotcha’ you lose all credibility.

Have a nice afternoon.


Stop lying James. I never dismissed the EHRC report.

Your double standards are showing. And you and certain other people don’t want to engage but dismiss or ignore because you were wrong.

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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 14:36 - Jul 29 with 1921 viewsthebooks

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 14:22 - Jul 29 by Darth_Koont

Stop lying James. I never dismissed the EHRC report.

Your double standards are showing. And you and certain other people don’t want to engage but dismiss or ignore because you were wrong.


Are you a party member, out of interest? I left after Corbyn was chucked out.

I get the sense things are coming to a head with Starmer, though, especially after Forde, and what with the absurd anti-striking position he's taken.
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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 14:52 - Jul 29 with 1892 viewsDarth_Koont

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 14:36 - Jul 29 by thebooks

Are you a party member, out of interest? I left after Corbyn was chucked out.

I get the sense things are coming to a head with Starmer, though, especially after Forde, and what with the absurd anti-striking position he's taken.


No, never a member. And to be fair, there’s only been a small window where I’ve even considered voting for them.

But if I were a member, I think I’d have left about the same time as you. As much as anything it was confirmation that socialism/social democracy was going to be buried along with Corbyn, and Keir’s pledge about unity and even the suggestion of a broad church was a lie just like the other leadership pledges.

Yeah, this isn’t going away for Keir or Labour any time soon. For starters, the BAME and Muslim MPs, affiliates, members and voters won’t let this unacceptable racism lie. And quite rightly!

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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 16:41 - Jul 29 with 1820 viewslowhouseblue

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 14:22 - Jul 29 by Darth_Koont

Stop lying James. I never dismissed the EHRC report.

Your double standards are showing. And you and certain other people don’t want to engage but dismiss or ignore because you were wrong.


"I never dismissed the EHRC report."



stop lying dk.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 19:16 - Jul 29 with 1765 viewsDarth_Koont

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 16:41 - Jul 29 by lowhouseblue

"I never dismissed the EHRC report."



stop lying dk.


Where did I dismiss it? It was pretty fair considering it was missing the Labour Leaks/Forde report part of it. But that wasn’t the EHRC’s fault. And based on the evidence it collected, the EHRC report still went firmly against the weaponised narrative of an antisemite leader allowing antisemitism to take over the party.

Accusations are all you have because the actual facts never help you. I look forward to you ducking everything again tomorrow.

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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 11:16 - Jul 30 with 1681 viewsDarth_Koont

Oborne gets it.

"I have spent the last two days studying Forde. It is a far more serious piece of work than I expected. While some parts are radical, the press reporting — as always when it comes to Corbyn - does not reflect the facts."

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/uk-labour-forde-inquiry-corbyn-factional-w

2-1 Ipswich today.

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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 11:55 - Jul 30 with 1633 viewsnoggin

Sorry for the downvote. Fat fingers.

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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 12:10 - Jul 30 with 1628 viewsDarth_Koont

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 11:55 - Jul 30 by noggin

Sorry for the downvote. Fat fingers.


I'll let you off.

Hope all is well and you'll be iFollowing the game later.

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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 10:19 - Aug 1 with 1515 viewsDarth_Koont

Morning!

Today’s installment of the antidemocratic clown show ...


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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 12:18 - Aug 1 with 1449 viewsnoggin

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 12:10 - Jul 30 by Darth_Koont

I'll let you off.

Hope all is well and you'll be iFollowing the game later.


Was actually over visiting family so was at the game.

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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 13:31 - Aug 1 with 1406 viewsDarth_Koont

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 12:18 - Aug 1 by noggin

Was actually over visiting family so was at the game.


Nice! Pity you didn’t get the win – it should have been 3 points!

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But what do we do Darth? on 13:49 - Aug 1 with 1396 viewsunstableblue

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 10:19 - Aug 1 by Darth_Koont

Morning!

Today’s installment of the antidemocratic clown show ...



The country is lurching further and further to the right... this talentless Tory regime is slowly ruining the country, Brexit as a catalyst, now post truth, low quality, extreme politicians rule. Buoyed by a worrying rise in right wing media; they are putting in place public opinion and policies that will damage this country.. for a very long time, if not irrevocably!

The Sun and Talk TV got a leadership contest for this country! that alone should send alarm bells ringing

The Labour left and Corbyn acolytes (although with huge merit) are living in a la la land.. Labour will have to be centrist, and have no whiff of union alignment about them to stand any chance of election

We are dogged by a right wing media that will hand them out to dry in general election, despite how heinous Boris et al have been.

People hurt by Tory policy and doctrine, hurt by cost of living, will still vote as the media will tell them Labour will make it worse... it will be a sea of strikes

Get Labour in, change the narrative change the course of the country, then assess Labour party direction.

A progressive coalition may be our only hope

But a HUGE volume of the electorate are now anti-immigrant, low taxation, small government brainwashed

Poll: How many points will Town get from 5 (Wat, Boro, Hull, Cov, Hudd)?

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But what do we do Darth? on 13:56 - Aug 1 with 1385 viewsDarth_Koont

But what do we do Darth? on 13:49 - Aug 1 by unstableblue

The country is lurching further and further to the right... this talentless Tory regime is slowly ruining the country, Brexit as a catalyst, now post truth, low quality, extreme politicians rule. Buoyed by a worrying rise in right wing media; they are putting in place public opinion and policies that will damage this country.. for a very long time, if not irrevocably!

The Sun and Talk TV got a leadership contest for this country! that alone should send alarm bells ringing

The Labour left and Corbyn acolytes (although with huge merit) are living in a la la land.. Labour will have to be centrist, and have no whiff of union alignment about them to stand any chance of election

We are dogged by a right wing media that will hand them out to dry in general election, despite how heinous Boris et al have been.

People hurt by Tory policy and doctrine, hurt by cost of living, will still vote as the media will tell them Labour will make it worse... it will be a sea of strikes

Get Labour in, change the narrative change the course of the country, then assess Labour party direction.

A progressive coalition may be our only hope

But a HUGE volume of the electorate are now anti-immigrant, low taxation, small government brainwashed


That’s the problem though – Labour are right wing now.

The UK is facing an existential crisis largely down to a right-wing, anti-democratic and self-serving political class who are committed to the game of politics but not representing the UK’s citizens.

We need to stop moving right as it ultimately just serves these clowns – blue or red.

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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 09:02 - Aug 3 with 1230 viewsDarth_Koont

Here's a thoughtful and ultimately damning piece by Michael Rosen, children's author/Holocaust educator/all round good egg.

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"Call me naive.

I had expected that when the Forde Report came out there would be a detailed response to it from the people who had frequently quizzed Labour Party leading figures, MPs, rank and file members and supporters about antisemitism in the Labour Party.

I’m sure anyone reading this can remember mainstream commentators doing this many, many times. There was a media presence — a media storm, if you like — about this matter. It was big. In fact, it was bigger than any other forms of racism or prejudice anywhere else in the political scene. Even if it wasn’t stated, the implication of this was that antisemitism was at the time the most serious form of prejudice/racism in the political sphere. Correct me if you think I’ve misinterpreted this.

The Forde Report was not designed to comment on this directly as it had other fish to fry, and yet it seems to have done so anyway. Forde has made comments about how people inside the Labour Party handled antisemitism and he has also made comments about antisemitism in relation to other forms of racist behaviour.

As I say very boringly (only because people keep asking me), I am not a member of the Labour Party and so have no say in any decisions to do with the Labour Party. For that reason, I’ll stay away from questions of who said what to whom or about whom or why or anything to do with what the rules said, could have, should have said etc.

My main comment after all this is about a mystery: the silence. Given that the antisemitism question was such a big, big issue for at least two years, given that all those commentators had so many questions (and in some cases, plenty of answers), I ask: why the silence?

It seems to me one of those occasions where the silence is more significant than any comments. Consider for example the huge amount of attention that has been given to two words about ‘irony’ that Corbyn said at a meeting. Consider the amount of attention given to how he may or may not have pronounced the name ‘Epstein’, or whether he did or did not look at a photo of a mural. This was detailed stuff, carefully harvested so as to prove a point.

I for one am not going to say this gripped the nation. I can’t believe that constituents of the legendary ‘Red Wall’ were fascinated by discussions about ‘English irony’ and switched their votes because of them. (Surely the fact that most of these constituencies had voted Brexit had something to do with that switch, given that Johnson offered to ‘get Brexit done’? Much more than whether that tranche of voters was getting hot and bothered about Corbyn’s alleged antisemitism.) However, it gripped the broadsheets, grabbed a few headlines in the tabloids, filled hours on the news and news comment programmes, and became established as a ‘fact’ — a ‘meme’ in the original sense of the word as Dawkins meant it to mean.

So…why the silence? Why isn’t the Forde Report all over the comment shows? Why aren’t all the relevant people being quizzed? Why aren’t there on-air discussions and rows going on between the opposing parties (and/or supporters)?

Over the years, a huge amount of analysis has been done of media content by media studies departments etc. I find a lot of it fascinating. The problem with media silence is that it’s very hard to analyse. It just happens. The flood of news stories washes over the story they’re not talking about and it’s gone. What is there left to say? The Forde Report has gone. The Forde Report has left the room. The Forde Report is a late report, a deceased report. It is no longer living.

is that job done? Is that now the most important thing about the Forde Report? It’s not that the Forde Report is something. It is that it’s not something. The Forde Report is what it isn’t."

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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 09:09 - Aug 3 with 1183 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 09:02 - Aug 3 by Darth_Koont

Here's a thoughtful and ultimately damning piece by Michael Rosen, children's author/Holocaust educator/all round good egg.

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"Call me naive.

I had expected that when the Forde Report came out there would be a detailed response to it from the people who had frequently quizzed Labour Party leading figures, MPs, rank and file members and supporters about antisemitism in the Labour Party.

I’m sure anyone reading this can remember mainstream commentators doing this many, many times. There was a media presence — a media storm, if you like — about this matter. It was big. In fact, it was bigger than any other forms of racism or prejudice anywhere else in the political scene. Even if it wasn’t stated, the implication of this was that antisemitism was at the time the most serious form of prejudice/racism in the political sphere. Correct me if you think I’ve misinterpreted this.

The Forde Report was not designed to comment on this directly as it had other fish to fry, and yet it seems to have done so anyway. Forde has made comments about how people inside the Labour Party handled antisemitism and he has also made comments about antisemitism in relation to other forms of racist behaviour.

As I say very boringly (only because people keep asking me), I am not a member of the Labour Party and so have no say in any decisions to do with the Labour Party. For that reason, I’ll stay away from questions of who said what to whom or about whom or why or anything to do with what the rules said, could have, should have said etc.

My main comment after all this is about a mystery: the silence. Given that the antisemitism question was such a big, big issue for at least two years, given that all those commentators had so many questions (and in some cases, plenty of answers), I ask: why the silence?

It seems to me one of those occasions where the silence is more significant than any comments. Consider for example the huge amount of attention that has been given to two words about ‘irony’ that Corbyn said at a meeting. Consider the amount of attention given to how he may or may not have pronounced the name ‘Epstein’, or whether he did or did not look at a photo of a mural. This was detailed stuff, carefully harvested so as to prove a point.

I for one am not going to say this gripped the nation. I can’t believe that constituents of the legendary ‘Red Wall’ were fascinated by discussions about ‘English irony’ and switched their votes because of them. (Surely the fact that most of these constituencies had voted Brexit had something to do with that switch, given that Johnson offered to ‘get Brexit done’? Much more than whether that tranche of voters was getting hot and bothered about Corbyn’s alleged antisemitism.) However, it gripped the broadsheets, grabbed a few headlines in the tabloids, filled hours on the news and news comment programmes, and became established as a ‘fact’ — a ‘meme’ in the original sense of the word as Dawkins meant it to mean.

So…why the silence? Why isn’t the Forde Report all over the comment shows? Why aren’t all the relevant people being quizzed? Why aren’t there on-air discussions and rows going on between the opposing parties (and/or supporters)?

Over the years, a huge amount of analysis has been done of media content by media studies departments etc. I find a lot of it fascinating. The problem with media silence is that it’s very hard to analyse. It just happens. The flood of news stories washes over the story they’re not talking about and it’s gone. What is there left to say? The Forde Report has gone. The Forde Report has left the room. The Forde Report is a late report, a deceased report. It is no longer living.

is that job done? Is that now the most important thing about the Forde Report? It’s not that the Forde Report is something. It is that it’s not something. The Forde Report is what it isn’t."

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It really is mysterious isn't it! Mind you at least one person was expelled from Labour as a result.

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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 09:12 - Aug 3 with 1179 viewsDarth_Koont

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 09:09 - Aug 3 by BanksterDebtSlave

It really is mysterious isn't it! Mind you at least one person was expelled from Labour as a result.


I may have got the wrong end of the stick but Corbyn wasn't expelled from Labour.

He couldn't be – that's how weak/non-existent/made-up the evidence is against him.

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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 09:20 - Aug 3 with 1171 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 09:12 - Aug 3 by Darth_Koont

I may have got the wrong end of the stick but Corbyn wasn't expelled from Labour.

He couldn't be – that's how weak/non-existent/made-up the evidence is against him.


Wasn't the old lady moaning at Starmer kicked out?

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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 09:23 - Aug 3 with 1165 viewsDarth_Koont

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 09:20 - Aug 3 by BanksterDebtSlave

Wasn't the old lady moaning at Starmer kicked out?


Yes, but not for antisemitism.

Audrey White won her case against the awful and journalistically unfit Jewish Chronicle that smeared her horribly for that.

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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 09:26 - Aug 3 with 1159 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 09:23 - Aug 3 by Darth_Koont

Yes, but not for antisemitism.

Audrey White won her case against the awful and journalistically unfit Jewish Chronicle that smeared her horribly for that.


Yes I was just looking....
https://www.liverpoolworld.uk/news/liverpool-woman-audrey-white-explains-viral-v

In 2020, the Jewish Chronicle agreed to pay damages and issued a public apology to Ms White about articles published about her in 2019 which included details of alleged bullying and a plot to oust former Liverpool Riverside Labour MP Dame Louise Ellman.

Edit...colour me shocked!
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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 09:34 - Aug 3 with 1149 viewsDarth_Koont

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 09:26 - Aug 3 by BanksterDebtSlave

Yes I was just looking....
https://www.liverpoolworld.uk/news/liverpool-woman-audrey-white-explains-viral-v

In 2020, the Jewish Chronicle agreed to pay damages and issued a public apology to Ms White about articles published about her in 2019 which included details of alleged bullying and a plot to oust former Liverpool Riverside Labour MP Dame Louise Ellman.

Edit...colour me shocked!
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Indeed. Typical of the stuff regurgitated on here on a daily basis and it wasn't even true ... yeah, no sh!t.

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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 12:00 - Aug 3 with 1081 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 09:34 - Aug 3 by Darth_Koont

Indeed. Typical of the stuff regurgitated on here on a daily basis and it wasn't even true ... yeah, no sh!t.


You could almost call the original article somewhat smeary!

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Is anyone else concerned by this? on 12:55 - Aug 3 with 1063 viewsDarth_Koont

Is anyone else concerned by this? on 12:00 - Aug 3 by BanksterDebtSlave

You could almost call the original article somewhat smeary!


I'd actually like to see a critical article that isn't smeary. Or at least not blithely repeating the same unevidenced narrative and accusations.

Looking at the actual facts and evidence, Forde referred to media reports like Panorama's central thesis that Corbyn was interfering unbidden and slowing down antisemitism investigations as deeply misleading.

Have we heard anything from the BBC, the Panorama lot or Ofcom about that? Despite receiving hundreds of complaints at the time that the programme was overall a deeply misleading hatchet job?

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