| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:06 - Aug 4 with 1287 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 14:51 - Aug 4 by GlasgowBlue |
You keep using this phrase 'unravels' but you haven't once been able to back it up. When challenged you either swerve or disappear.
Everything I posted is a matter of public record. I've asked you what part of my post s false and you have completely served answering.
Come on dollers. |
We've spent years doing this. I'm not going over the same ground again. Anything shown to not be entirely true you just argue round the house and then copy and paste it all again sometime later, like you have here. There's absolutely no point debating with someone who just ignores all your points and reposts it again - in this case years later.
Rather ironic of you calling someone out for swerving and disappearing. The phrase "The Glasgow Swerve" was coined exactly for that reason.
You have an agenda. You're not impartial. I've got better things to do than go through it all again. |  |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:19 - Aug 4 with 1248 views | blueasfook |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:06 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We've spent years doing this. I'm not going over the same ground again. Anything shown to not be entirely true you just argue round the house and then copy and paste it all again sometime later, like you have here. There's absolutely no point debating with someone who just ignores all your points and reposts it again - in this case years later.
Rather ironic of you calling someone out for swerving and disappearing. The phrase "The Glasgow Swerve" was coined exactly for that reason.
You have an agenda. You're not impartial. I've got better things to do than go through it all again. |
You've been saying since yesterday you were done with this thread. Yet, here you are. |  |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:29 - Aug 4 with 1208 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:06 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We've spent years doing this. I'm not going over the same ground again. Anything shown to not be entirely true you just argue round the house and then copy and paste it all again sometime later, like you have here. There's absolutely no point debating with someone who just ignores all your points and reposts it again - in this case years later.
Rather ironic of you calling someone out for swerving and disappearing. The phrase "The Glasgow Swerve" was coined exactly for that reason.
You have an agenda. You're not impartial. I've got better things to do than go through it all again. |
Dolly: Give me evidence. I demand evidence.
GB. Here is evidence.
Dolly. I don't like your evidence. I'm not answering.
Swervetastic. |  |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:32 - Aug 4 with 1188 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:19 - Aug 4 by blueasfook |
You've been saying since yesterday you were done with this thread. Yet, here you are. |
I'm sure there is the equivalent of AA set up out there to deal with Dolly's obsessive, sycophantic addiction to fawning over a grotty old man he doesn't know and will never meet.
If not then I'm sure him and Koonters could get one going. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:33 - Aug 4 with 1201 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:29 - Aug 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Dolly: Give me evidence. I demand evidence.
GB. Here is evidence.
Dolly. I don't like your evidence. I'm not answering.
Swervetastic. |
I've answered your 'evidence' over many years. I just haven't given you the answers you want.
This is like a continuous 'next goal wins' with you. You might as well shout into a bin because like I said, I'm not going through it all again. Life's too short. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:33 - Aug 4 with 1199 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:19 - Aug 4 by blueasfook |
You've been saying since yesterday you were done with this thread. Yet, here you are. |
Sorry, didn't realise I was signing a contract. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:35 - Aug 4 with 1193 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:32 - Aug 4 by GlasgowBlue |
I'm sure there is the equivalent of AA set up out there to deal with Dolly's obsessive, sycophantic addiction to fawning over a grotty old man he doesn't know and will never meet.
If not then I'm sure him and Koonters could get one going. |
Oh the irony.
Even when he's beaten you're still here with the same old shtick, flogging a dead horse. Look in the mirror, mate. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:38 - Aug 4 with 1172 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:33 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I've answered your 'evidence' over many years. I just haven't given you the answers you want.
This is like a continuous 'next goal wins' with you. You might as well shout into a bin because like I said, I'm not going through it all again. Life's too short. |
Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "la la la la la la" as loud ass you can is not giving answers Dolly. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:40 - Aug 4 with 1183 views | CrayonKing |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 10:59 - Aug 4 by Darth_Koont |
Well, Chico is as loony about the left as anyone.
Yeah, I think Starmer and BoJo are both centre-right based on their records as leaders. I'd like to see your workings that suggest a gap. |
Sometimes I admire your passion and determination to fight the "good fight" even when you're getting pelters from everywhere, and in some ways you can be one of the most interesting political posters on here. Other times I think you're just trolling...
I'm not sure BoJo has much political ideology nowadays beyond feathering his nest, but when he's shown glimpses it seems to be libertarian-right, small govt, individualism etc. Lockdown restrictions seemed to be very much under duress and against his natural instincts.
I'll be honest, I don't know that much about Starmer other than his leadership campaign, where he seemed to come across as pretty solid centre-left, and his background as a lawyer and Director of Public Prosecutions. Had to read wiki for these, so I'm sure its been edited by the evil Party Machine, but these don't strike me as being remotely similar to Johnson: Legal officer for Liberty, Human Rights Lawyer, marched and authored legal opinions against the Iraq War. For the most part the policy section reads pretty centre-left too. Obviously its going to be given a positive spin, and who knows if/how-much will get implemented, but seems like a completely different world to Johnson. While Starmer was writing articles for Socialist Alternative, BoJo was burning £20 notes in front of homeless people (allegedly).
Where they are similar, and I think this is the crux of the matter, is that they're both Establishment. The Labour Party factionalism isn't really left-vs centre-left, it's establishment vs anti-establishment. I bet Starmer's manifesto won't be that different to the "centre-left pragmatism" of Corbyn's, but the reaction from the usual suspects will be completely different because of where it's coming from. |  | | |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:43 - Aug 4 with 1155 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:38 - Aug 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "la la la la la la" as loud ass you can is not giving answers Dolly. |
You'd know, that's one of your tactics. In fact I accused you of exactly that once, so it's cute of you to send it back.
I've answered your stuff over countless threads, across years. What you've copied and pasted above is stuff I've already dealt with. It was clearly a waste of my time.
When I'm on my death bed I'm not going to think "I wish I'd spent more time arguing the toss with Glasgow Blue."
Cheerio. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:24 - Aug 4 with 1067 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:43 - Aug 4 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You'd know, that's one of your tactics. In fact I accused you of exactly that once, so it's cute of you to send it back.
I've answered your stuff over countless threads, across years. What you've copied and pasted above is stuff I've already dealt with. It was clearly a waste of my time.
When I'm on my death bed I'm not going to think "I wish I'd spent more time arguing the toss with Glasgow Blue."
Cheerio. |
No. You’ll be thinking “why did I waste so many hours on a football message board defending a grotty little antisemite who wouldn’t piss on me if I was on fire”. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:45 - Aug 4 with 1022 views | Darth_Koont |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 16:24 - Aug 4 by GlasgowBlue |
No. You’ll be thinking “why did I waste so many hours on a football message board defending a grotty little antisemite who wouldn’t piss on me if I was on fire”. |
Just stop lying.
No-one believes this shtick anymore. |  |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 18:48 - Aug 4 with 924 views | GlasgowBlue |
Whilst on the subject of the Russian invasion of Ukraine; What the hell has happened to Amnesty latey?
Thy seem to have been taken over by tankies for the past couple of years. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 19:02 - Aug 4 with 907 views | Darth_Koont |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 18:48 - Aug 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Whilst on the subject of the Russian invasion of Ukraine; What the hell has happened to Amnesty latey?
Thy seem to have been taken over by tankies for the past couple of years. |
Amnesty call out any and all governments if they are impinging on human rights. Always have done.
They've certainly called out Russia much more. But this doesn't mean you turn away and let stuff slide either. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 19:35 - Aug 4 with 877 views | Darth_Koont |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 15:40 - Aug 4 by CrayonKing |
Sometimes I admire your passion and determination to fight the "good fight" even when you're getting pelters from everywhere, and in some ways you can be one of the most interesting political posters on here. Other times I think you're just trolling...
I'm not sure BoJo has much political ideology nowadays beyond feathering his nest, but when he's shown glimpses it seems to be libertarian-right, small govt, individualism etc. Lockdown restrictions seemed to be very much under duress and against his natural instincts.
I'll be honest, I don't know that much about Starmer other than his leadership campaign, where he seemed to come across as pretty solid centre-left, and his background as a lawyer and Director of Public Prosecutions. Had to read wiki for these, so I'm sure its been edited by the evil Party Machine, but these don't strike me as being remotely similar to Johnson: Legal officer for Liberty, Human Rights Lawyer, marched and authored legal opinions against the Iraq War. For the most part the policy section reads pretty centre-left too. Obviously its going to be given a positive spin, and who knows if/how-much will get implemented, but seems like a completely different world to Johnson. While Starmer was writing articles for Socialist Alternative, BoJo was burning £20 notes in front of homeless people (allegedly).
Where they are similar, and I think this is the crux of the matter, is that they're both Establishment. The Labour Party factionalism isn't really left-vs centre-left, it's establishment vs anti-establishment. I bet Starmer's manifesto won't be that different to the "centre-left pragmatism" of Corbyn's, but the reaction from the usual suspects will be completely different because of where it's coming from. |
I'm never trolling. Unpacking the weakness, self-interest and dishonesty in our politics and political debate is important IMO. And we're seeing in the real world what rubbish, not fit for purpose politics has done to the UK over the past decade or more.
I agree very much that Starmer and his supporters see themselves as the Establishment. That's also pretty much the thesis in Eagleton's book on Starmer and his career that has seen him become more and more an establishment insider.
Which is fine if people really think that it's the establishment and the status quo that needs protecting.
Further proof of his direction of his travel is his broken leadership pledges. You're right that they were centre-left and positive but he's distanced himself from all of them – often a complete 180 as with corporate tax, nationalisation, freedom of movement etc. And the commitments to party unity and democracy have been laughably trashed by him and the Labour Right who sit behind the throne.
These are leadership pledges where Starmer's team were swearing blind to those more on the right like Seb Payne of the FT that they would easily distance themselves from them as soon as Starmer became leader. And swearing blind to reporters like Owen Jones on the left that these pledges were deadly serious.
That's where the comparison with BoJo comes in most. Not only do we have another leader promising weak, business-as-usual solutions with zero vision or seemingly grasp on reality. But he's also an authoritarian, anti-democratic liar who will say anything to an electorate. He's a similar void like Johnson where honesty, integrity and decency don't appear to have a role.
On a side note, Johnson if anything has been more honest about who he actually is but for some reason that has rarely been an issue until early 2022 when it suddenly became the only issue. [Post edited 4 Aug 2022 19:37]
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 19:53 - Aug 4 with 852 views | NewcyBlue |
Go on chaps.
See if you can beat my 46 pager
Vegans putting stickers on packs of meat.... by NewcyBlue 9 Jul 2017 18:41And meat products in an attempt to shock/shame people to not buy them.
I would easily ignore the stickers. Just like I ignore Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on my door. Thanks for trying but I have made a decision. Although we rarely buy meat from supermarkets these days.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39733035/why-i-stick-pro-vegan-stickers-on-meat-in-supermarkets
GTSB's thread about the lab grown meat was interesting. If it tasted the same I would probably pay extra to eat lab grown meat over the stuff from living animals.
Also I have been reading the Compassionate Food Guide. I am surprised there isn't a single scheme, instead there are a few.
https://www.compassioninfoodbusiness.com seem to be working with retailers, farmers, suppliers, etc.
We spoke to our local butcher about where the meat is from. We always look to get the best quality meat, that has been well looked after.
Good luck Ulla! |  |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 20:02 - Aug 4 with 831 views | giant_stow |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 19:53 - Aug 4 by NewcyBlue |
Go on chaps.
See if you can beat my 46 pager
Vegans putting stickers on packs of meat.... by NewcyBlue 9 Jul 2017 18:41And meat products in an attempt to shock/shame people to not buy them.
I would easily ignore the stickers. Just like I ignore Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on my door. Thanks for trying but I have made a decision. Although we rarely buy meat from supermarkets these days.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39733035/why-i-stick-pro-vegan-stickers-on-meat-in-supermarkets
GTSB's thread about the lab grown meat was interesting. If it tasted the same I would probably pay extra to eat lab grown meat over the stuff from living animals.
Also I have been reading the Compassionate Food Guide. I am surprised there isn't a single scheme, instead there are a few.
https://www.compassioninfoodbusiness.com seem to be working with retailers, farmers, suppliers, etc.
We spoke to our local butcher about where the meat is from. We always look to get the best quality meat, that has been well looked after.
Good luck Ulla! |
Hey not fair, you must have had Calis to help there! |  |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 20:02 - Aug 4 with 820 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 19:53 - Aug 4 by NewcyBlue |
Go on chaps.
See if you can beat my 46 pager
Vegans putting stickers on packs of meat.... by NewcyBlue 9 Jul 2017 18:41And meat products in an attempt to shock/shame people to not buy them.
I would easily ignore the stickers. Just like I ignore Jehovah's Witnesses knocking on my door. Thanks for trying but I have made a decision. Although we rarely buy meat from supermarkets these days.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/39733035/why-i-stick-pro-vegan-stickers-on-meat-in-supermarkets
GTSB's thread about the lab grown meat was interesting. If it tasted the same I would probably pay extra to eat lab grown meat over the stuff from living animals.
Also I have been reading the Compassionate Food Guide. I am surprised there isn't a single scheme, instead there are a few.
https://www.compassioninfoodbusiness.com seem to be working with retailers, farmers, suppliers, etc.
We spoke to our local butcher about where the meat is from. We always look to get the best quality meat, that has been well looked after.
Good luck Ulla! |
Oooh. That takes me back. Think I'll save that for when I'm on the loo tomorrow morning. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 20:12 - Aug 4 with 819 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 20:02 - Aug 4 by GlasgowBlue |
Oooh. That takes me back. Think I'll save that for when I'm on the loo tomorrow morning. |
I just tried to bring it back to life but it's locked. |  |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 20:14 - Aug 4 with 817 views | NewcyBlue |
Is Corbyn’s full interview available to watch?
The video on the Guardian link in the OP provides a valid example of where world leaders can get together to get an agreement from all parties. The grain corridor. Although the long term success of this yet to be seen.
Pouring weapons in to Ukraine whilst trying to do politics in the background seems like a fair assessment. However I doubt that any politics with Putin will be successful.
Whatever the outcome, too many people will have died. It’s a stain on the history of the world that this is happening.
Arguing over one old mans opinion, which he gave on a pro-Russian news outlet, really isn’t going to make a difference.
We had a Ukrainian president by inert on last ship, he kept saying he hoped it would be done with by June. Then July. Then August. His family got out and got to Germany to stay with relatives. He had no idea where he would go when he got off the ship. I told him he can bring his family over to stay with us. | |
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| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 20:47 - Aug 4 with 773 views | Seablu |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 06:56 - Aug 4 by solomon |
It’s no coincidence that the leader of Ukraine is Jewish, no coincidence at all. Again his poor judgement is his biggest character flaw. To some the defeat of Ukraine and it’s leader is paramount to their own twisted ideals, shamefully we have plenty of those who’s beliefs align. |
Think you’re imagining things that just aren’t there…
You really need to cut the apron strings with a certain northern tory brexiteer.. |  | | |
| Corbyn says the west should abandon Ukraine on 21:49 - Aug 4 with 709 views | Vic |
ullage - 20 pages and only on -2 on the uppie/downie charts.
Good going lad. |  |
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