| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player 19:13 - Aug 2 with 5996 views | Kesgrave_Exile |
BBC News - Women's football: 'I'm a pro footballer but I have a second job'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-62386612
There was much made about town having full time players but this seems like smoke and mirrors. You can understand why the club has failed to attract any players in the summer. What's the point being a pro but still having to work full time it's counter productive.
I think the club needs to invest more in players contracts which when compared to the men's team would be a modest sum.
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| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 14:05 - Aug 3 with 762 views | itfcjoe |
| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 13:52 - Aug 3 by Vaughan8 |
I'm guessing a big difference on ticket prices too. I'm sure Borehamwood a few years ago when i went was £20+ for an adult.
I'm guessing the ladies is £10?
That would be £16,500 difference per game.
Also think 1000 average attendance is probably a bit low too |
The mens clubs lose money hand over first in reality though - if there was a desire to pay the women more it would be done but there isn't (yet).
Teams like Stowmarket pay players silly money with small attendances.
These girls though are just getting something to help now at our level (and to protect value for us as per transfer of Paige Peake a few weeks back - no pro contract, no fee)
If it is £10k a year it helps out a fair bit, but on one year contracts they need to be thinking of post football life as well |  |
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| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 14:10 - Aug 3 with 732 views | Steve_M |
| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 12:01 - Aug 3 by ronnyd |
Sorry, but there is a world of difference between what you saw on Sunday and ITFC ladies. Which is what the OP is alluding to. Even the top WSL teams play on smaller grounds or in smaller facilities with in the club complex, ie, Man C. |
The post I had replied to claimed that England winning on Sunday would be quickly forgotten about. |  |
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| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 14:26 - Aug 3 with 708 views | Ely_Blue |
| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 13:56 - Aug 3 by Vaughan8 |
Aren't you taking one games attendance though? What is the attendance on a regular basis at the clubs. They aren't paid (much) by England.
Ipswich get 20,000+ each game at £25 a ticket.
The women's games probably get 5,000 at lower prices?
Unfortunately money talks at there is loads more money in men's football currently. |
As I said is the disparity really that big between a journeyman playing in league one and a woman playing at the top of her profession? Surely not that much difference? |  |
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| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 14:28 - Aug 3 with 709 views | brazil1982 |
| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 21:26 - Aug 2 by EastTownBlue |
The Town players will be earning more from the game than players from other teams in the third tier of the women's game. Does this make them any different from non league players who earn money in football and also require a full time job ?
How much should they all be paid to ensure that they don't require a job outside the game ? Pus there is careers after they have retired to consider. |
Many National League players have second jobs. Because they play for clubs whose main income is through tickets. Many clubs at that level are either very well run, or in financial trouble.
Start charging £20 on the gate and the wages will increase.
This news is fashionable atm, engineered by the BBC. | | | |
| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 14:50 - Aug 3 with 678 views | itfcjoe |
| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 14:28 - Aug 3 by brazil1982 |
Many National League players have second jobs. Because they play for clubs whose main income is through tickets. Many clubs at that level are either very well run, or in financial trouble.
Start charging £20 on the gate and the wages will increase.
This news is fashionable atm, engineered by the BBC. |
21 out of 24 NL clubs this season are fully professional, these aren't guys with 2nd jobs these days | |
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| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 15:22 - Aug 3 with 643 views | Bluefields |
| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 21:22 - Aug 2 by JammyDodgerrr |
Quite. Leah Williamson is the highest earner, on 200k a year. Same as Harry Kane earns in a week. Crazy difference. |
That surprises me. Not Sam Kerr?? Lucy Bronze must earn the most when you take in to account earnings outside of playing. | | | |
| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 15:50 - Aug 3 with 614 views | brazil1982 |
| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 14:50 - Aug 3 by itfcjoe |
21 out of 24 NL clubs this season are fully professional, these aren't guys with 2nd jobs these days |
At least five at FC Halifax have other jobs, probably by choice though for picking up when they finish their football career. They dont earn a lot in that league | | | |
| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 17:45 - Aug 3 with 555 views | maccyd9 |
| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 19:28 - Aug 2 by Kesgrave_Exile |
What and the women's team can't repay that? Obviously you have been living under a rock for the last month, there is going to be so much more focus on women's football going forward and if Ipswich women's team want to progress we need to give the players the best opportunity to do so by paying them a wage that then stops the need for them to supplement it. |
In a couple of weeks nobody will be any more interested in the women’s game than they were before the women’s euros.
It’s just another crusade for people to go on.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the women’s game just plodding along in the background. Not everything in this world needs to be equal, especially when the disparity in quality, entertainment and revenue is so vast. | | | |
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| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 18:49 - Aug 3 with 528 views | Skip_Intro |
Whether you like it or not, Gamechanger have invested in the men's team and infrastructure because they've taken the view that if the investment pays off and we are promoted (and sell a few players for tidy profits) they will see a return.
Rightly or wrongly you can't say that the women's team offers the same potential return so why would they invest heavily other than for community/PR purposes?
I'm not saying that it's right but it's just a fact of life when your club is an asset to be grown by investors surely? |  | | |
| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 18:54 - Aug 3 with 524 views | Skip_Intro |
| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 13:52 - Aug 3 by Ely_Blue |
Take a look at the disparity in another way then!
The highest paid WSL player who has just captained her country to the European Championship victory in front of 87k at Wembley earns less per year than most of our squad! Just take that in for a moment, based on last season we were the 55th best mens team in the country.
Now fair enough the woman’s game isn’t at the level that the mens game is just yet but there isn’t 52 times the difference between our mens and womens national captains! |
How much do Sky, BT, Amazon etc pay for men's TV rights? How much are the TV rights for the WSL?
What are the average gates in the PL (or even Portman Road) vs the WSL?
How much merchandise do the women's teams sell vs the men?
These are the big factors that drive wages surely - so is there really a disparity or are they simply not comparable from a financial perspective?
edit:typo [Post edited 3 Aug 2022 18:56]
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| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 18:59 - Aug 3 with 520 views | jeera |
| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 17:45 - Aug 3 by maccyd9 |
In a couple of weeks nobody will be any more interested in the women’s game than they were before the women’s euros.
It’s just another crusade for people to go on.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the women’s game just plodding along in the background. Not everything in this world needs to be equal, especially when the disparity in quality, entertainment and revenue is so vast. |
On the contrary there's already a number on here who show an interest in the Ipswich ladies games.
"It’s just another crusade for people to go on."
Seriously? Most 'crusades' have grown because of a need for them and there's no reason for anyone to feel threatened by the game becoming more popular for women too.
"Not everything in this world needs to be equal".
That's a rather backward view. Sure, any sport's financial rewards will be reflected by its popularity but the rest of your post makes for uncomfortable reading tbh.
I'm hoping for clumsily worded rather than plain sexist. |  |
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| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 19:38 - Aug 3 with 491 views | Vaughan8 |
| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 18:59 - Aug 3 by jeera |
On the contrary there's already a number on here who show an interest in the Ipswich ladies games.
"It’s just another crusade for people to go on."
Seriously? Most 'crusades' have grown because of a need for them and there's no reason for anyone to feel threatened by the game becoming more popular for women too.
"Not everything in this world needs to be equal".
That's a rather backward view. Sure, any sport's financial rewards will be reflected by its popularity but the rest of your post makes for uncomfortable reading tbh.
I'm hoping for clumsily worded rather than plain sexist. |
It'll be interesting to see the women's attendances this season
Very easy to say on here you're looking to go, but actually doing it is another thing. | | | |
| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 20:25 - Aug 3 with 472 views | Veggie |
| ITFC Natasha Thomas on having to work full time even though she is pro player on 13:52 - Aug 3 by Vaughan8 |
I'm guessing a big difference on ticket prices too. I'm sure Borehamwood a few years ago when i went was £20+ for an adult.
I'm guessing the ladies is £10?
That would be £16,500 difference per game.
Also think 1000 average attendance is probably a bit low too |
Slightly off topic, but Accrington Stanley only average around 3,000. No wonder Holt is always whingeing. |  | | |
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